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Should it be HT9060 instead of HT1060?

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Just a thought:
BenQ will soon release a new lamp based model called W5700 (HT5050?) for dedicated home theaters.
Preliminary reports says it has Tone Mapping based on metadata, full P3 coverage inside a BT.2020 container and dynamic iris, just to mention some.

Would be nice to see how it compares to the HT9060, JVC N5 and the Sony VW270...

It's about half the price of a JVC N5 and Sony VW270 here in Europe. And I would guess it's much cheaper than the HT9060 too.
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For me the reasons these two projectors are interesting is because they are not lamp based. If I wanted lamp based right now I'd buy one of last year's JVCs and be done with it.

I'd love to see a mid-range (say 5-15k) solid state shootout. I have a hard time going above that because I am not sure I won't get an upgrade itch in 5 years time.

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For me the reasons these two projectors are interesting is because they are not lamp based. If I wanted lamp based right now I'd buy one of last year's JVCs and be done with it.

I'd love to see a mid-range (say 5-15k) solid state shootout. I have a hard time going above that because I am not sure I won't get an upgrade itch in 5 years time.
I guess I'm of the same mind and one of the reasons why I have what I have and didn't buy a JVC.

I guess you want more lumens otherwise you could look at the Epson laser projectors.

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I guess I'm of the same mind and one of the reasons why I have what I have and didn't buy a JVC.

I guess you want more lumens otherwise you could look at the Epson laser projectors.
Their advertised lumens do seem low comparatively, of course I would welcome to see them included in these comparisons. Especially since we all know that numbers get inflated and properly calibrated devices sometimes see huge dips from published specs.

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Their advertised lumens do seem low comparatively, of course I would welcome to see them included in these comparisons. Especially since we all know that numbers get inflated and properly calibrated devices sometimes see huge dips from published specs.
I think max calibrated lumens are around 1000, and depending on how bright you like your images and HDR (screen size, gain etc) would probably rule them out for you. They do provide a very clean and stable image though, with good laser dimming in the most part and the blacks are still very good even if not quite as good as the mid to high lamp based JVCs. Ideally you'd have to see them to determine if they're what you would be happy with.

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For me the reasons these two projectors are interesting is because they are not lamp based. If I wanted lamp based right now I'd buy one of last year's JVCs and be done with it.

I'd love to see a mid-range (say 5-15k) solid state shootout. I have a hard time going above that because I am not sure I won't get an upgrade itch in 5 years time.
There are no excuses for making lamp based projectors anymore unless it's for the $500 market... right now, 'laser' is a keyword they use for marketing, no more, no less and then charge the sky for it... and that's why we need competition in a free market...
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I think max calibrated lumens are around 1000, and depending on how bright you like your images and HDR (screen size, gain etc) would probably rule them out for you. They do provide a very clean and stable image though, with good laser dimming in the most part and the blacks are still very good even if not quite as good as the mid to high lamp based JVCs. Ideally you'd have to see them to determine if they're what you would be happy with.
Current projector is ~400 calibrated. Do they do 3D?

The 10500 is roughly a year old but I didn't see anything about a 2019 successor?

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Current projector is ~400 calibrated. Do they do 3D?

The 10500 is roughly a year old but I didn't see anything about a 2019 successor?
Yes, they do 3D, and with no crosstalk as far as I can tell.

I think it's more like two years old, and I did hear a rumour of something new later this year, but that's all it is. There was a price drop last year so you may be able to get a new one or a refurb for a good price. I think someone mentioned Epson having some refurbs available so I think you'd still get a warranty with it

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Yes, they do 3D, and with no crosstalk as far as I can tell.

I think it's more like two years old, and I did hear a rumour of something new later this year, but that's all it is. There was a price drop last year so you may be able to get a new one or a refurb for a good price. I think someone mentioned Epson having some refurbs available so I think you'd still get a warranty with it
I wouldn't mind seeing one in my theater. Since more than a few local folks have them it might be worth investigating.

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I would love for there to be a successor to the EPSON LS10500. I will be sure to look out for it to see if its happening at IFA 2019 in Berlin in September

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I would love for there to be a successor to the EPSON LS10500. I will be sure to look out for it to see if its happening at IFA 2019 in Berlin in September

Me too, but I'm not holding my breath!
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Thanks for this thread!! I am really hoping for the 990 to perform decent because I will have a 200"+ screen in my new theater and really would like to use the high lumen output of this unit. It will not be a "Bat Cave" if you will, but it will be pretty much light controlled with blackout shades on the windows. It is a pretty good sized room with a depth of approximately 30' from the screen (and anywhere in between) to mount the projector.



I currently have a JVC RS500 in my theater now (signature below) but I do not think I can see all that it is capable of just for the plain fact I do not see well in the first place. Bright projectors with lots of color is really where it's at for me. I cant see to much difference from the JVC to the Epson 3010 I used to have however I am sure that there is quite a bit if I were to show them side by side. The very dark scenes for me just make it even harder to see what is happening so the JVC's and Sony's are just not for me, and besides, I'm not willing to spend 20K+ on a projector. (I could buy a gently used 2014 Mercedes e63 AMG S 4Matic starting for that kind of money, AND get more use out of it! Or a fair amount towards the S63! )


I am open to suggestions from folks who can provide some real world options for me. I was presented with a dual JVC option but I just do not want to deal with that many moving parts just to get a picture on my screen. We watch about 50/50 2.40:1 and 16:9 content and I am willing to look at an A-lens to go with this setup if it is feasible. So please chime in if anyone has options they think would work in my situation.


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Thanks for this thread!! I am really hoping for the 990 to perform decent because I will have a 200"+ screen in my new theater and really would like to use the high lumen output of this unit. It will not be a "Bat Cave" if you will, but it will be pretty much light controlled with blackout shades on the windows. It is a pretty good sized room with a depth of approximately 30' from the screen (and anywhere in between) to mount the projector.



I currently have a JVC RS500 in my theater now (signature below) but I do not think I can see all that it is capable of just for the plain fact I do not see well in the first place. Bright projectors with lots of color is really where it's at for me. I cant see to much difference from the JVC to the Epson 3010 I used to have however I am sure that there is quite a bit if I were to show them side by side. The very dark scenes for me just make it even harder to see what is happening so the JVC's and Sony's are just not for me, and besides, I'm not willing to spend 20K+ on a projector. (I could buy a gently used 2014 Mercedes e63 AMG S 4Matic starting for that kind of money, AND get more use out of it! Or a fair amount towards the S63! )


I am open to suggestions from folks who can provide some real world options for me. I was presented with a dual JVC option but I just do not want to deal with that many moving parts just to get a picture on my screen. We watch about 50/50 2.40:1 and 16:9 content and I am willing to look at an A-lens to go with this setup if it is feasible. So please chime in if anyone has options they think would work in my situation.


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I don't think stacking RS500 is even an option. They have slight lens drift especially as they warm up and there's no guarantee you'll ever get them perfectly lined up. If you don't care about JVC black levels, then by all means one of these bright BenQ might be perfect for you.
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Great!!!

If u want to throw in a wildcard this new high contrast variant from DPI 4700 lumens / 2000:1 native looks tasty for us DLP folks:
https://www.digitalprojection.com/di...c-u.php?id=862

Also on the BenQs if you have a high speed camera or video camera would love to know difference in sequential color speed.

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Great!!!
Pete, have you been following the discussion in the other general comparisons thread?
Kris Deering is expecting to review the HT9060 and will likely get an LK970 on hand too to discuss here.

I think it comes down to how far they've improved black level and wider color reproduction. Oh, not that I don't have concerns with the LCos machines, like their advances in motion and precision, although the Sony 695ES in True Cinema is simply brilliant with motion handling.
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If u want to throw in a wildcard this new high contrast variant from DPI 4700 lumens / 2000:1 native looks tasty for us DLP folks:
https://www.digitalprojection.com/di...c-u.php?id=862
Ruined, that's a nice thought for sure, but that may be an overload for Nigel (Arrow) I think ...he has more than enough projectors on his plate, that he himself has to acquire remember.

He began with LCos Sony/JVC and the two forum worlds just collided and now have come together: the DLP guys and the Lcos group. Thanks, Nigel.
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I don't think stacking RS500 is even an option. They have slight lens drift especially as they warm up and there's no guarantee you'll ever get them perfectly lined up. If you don't care about JVC black levels, then by all means one of these bright BenQ might be perfect for you.



Thanks for the reply markmon1.


I'm not sure that they affect me much at all. I go to regular theaters and the more gray levels are not a problem. Actually in my theater currently I wish it was a bit brighter and the room is as dark as can be.


I was recommended 2 RS640's but I just can't see that being bright enough, as well as the issue of them getting out of sync.

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Arrow, I just wanted to take a minute and thank you in advance for taking the time and making the effort to do this comparison. These would be great low cost alternatives to Lcos lasers: DLP precision without the detriment of lamps...no worries about lamp explosions (however unlikely), effect of lamp strikes, short-term repeat calibrations, bulb dimming after only a few thousand hours, the hassles of changing bulbs, and their replacement costs.

As you know, I had the predecessor model to the HT9060, the HT9050, which has the same LED HLD platform.

I wouldn't consider the HT9050 to be a business class projector by any means. I had one for a short time and the glass and processor in it were fantastic. Where I will be looking when you review, will be at any contrast improvements over the last model. I had Smarteco/latest firmware for the 9050 but I couldn't get it to do an on/off contrast ratio much over 924:1. That machine didn't have HDR and was unable to apply its DCI P3 color ability due to lacking BT2020 compatibility either. By the way, the 9050 Kris reviewed had firmware added and was able to reach, he reported, a dynamic contrast ratio of about 4,000:1.

So, hopefully, this new HT9060 will improve on all fronts. But, again, my focus will be to see if BenQ made any headway in the contrast/dynamic dimming department. I'm not expecting miracles, but for all else the 9050 did so, so well, even 4K to 8K:1 would be a revelation for me. I find that light/dark object separation has a bit of pop on single-chip DLPs due to their precise lines.

As for the LK990, I believe these were designed as part of BenQ's Pro AV line. What concerns me is potential for RBE and how easy or difficult the laser's color can be calibrated for BT709 and how far out it can go toward P3. I would have to demo one, I suppose...because I had the UHZ65 for mixed use. While the dynamic contrast on UHZ was excellent, well over 35,000:1 and not even in its most aggressive dimming modes, the RBE on it was ubiquitous.
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If Epson releases a native 4K laser with lens memory and decent contrast/black level for under $10K, that will be my next projector. The Sony and JVC lasers are just plain out of my price range, and I have a bat cave and therefore I'm done with single chip DLP grayness. I'll pay a modest premium to not have to worry about lamps ever again so long as the projector has lens memory, good black performance, and native 4K.

Edit: If BenQ would have included lens memory (a glaring omission at this price point in my opinion), I would be tempted to check it out if the black level could be tamed. My current Mitsubishi HC4000 is a low end DLP, and perhaps the BenQs have a much lower black level. Maybe I could even use an ND filter to lower the black floor since my screen is just 130". I just know when I got to see a 6040UB, I could barely see the shadow of my hand if I held it in the light path. On my HC4000, the shadow is plain as day. I want that "can barely see my hand" level of black.
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Arrow, I just wanted to take a minute and thank you in advance for taking the time and making the effort to do this comparison. These would be great low cost alternatives to Lcos lasers: DLP precision without the detriment of lamps...no worries about lamp explosions (however unlikely), effect of lamp strikes, short-term repeat calibrations, bulb dimming after only a few thousand hours, the hassles of changing bulbs, and their replacement costs.

As you know, I had the predecessor model to the HT9060, the HT9050, which has the same LED HLD platform.

I wouldn't consider the HT9050 to be a business class projector by any means. I had one for a short time and the glass and processor in it were fantastic. Where I will be looking when you review, will be at any contrast improvements over the last model. I had Smarteco/latest firmware for the 9050 but I couldn't get it to do an on/off contrast ratio much over 924:1. That machine didn't have HDR and was unable to apply its DCI P3 color ability due to lacking BT2020 compatibility either. By the way, the 9050 Kris reviewed had firmware added and was able to reach, he reported, a dynamic contrast ratio of about 4,000:1.

So, hopefully, this new HT9060 will improve on all fronts. But, again, my focus will be to see if BenQ made any headway in the contrast/dynamic dimming department. I'm not expecting miracles, but for all else the 9050 did so, so well, even 4K to 8K:1 would be a revelation for me. I find that light/dark object separation has a bit of pop on single-chip DLPs due to their precise lines.

As for the LK990, I believe these were designed as part of BenQ's Pro AV line. What concerns me is potential for RBE and how easy or difficult the laser's color can be calibrated for BT709 and how far out it can go toward P3. I would have to demo one, I suppose...because I had the UHZ65 for mixed use. While the dynamic contrast on UHZ was excellent, well over 35,000:1 and not even in its most aggressive dimming modes, the RBE on it was ubiquitous.
My company is a BENQ dealer so fortunately I have easy access to these projectors

And don't worry, I will be comprehensively evaluating all key areas, including but by no means limited to the full contrast performance throught the entire respective luminance range, as well as dynamic contrast functionality, plus of course color performance, as well as the other key areas

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And don't worry, I will be comprehensively evaluating all key areas, including but by no means limited to the full contrast performance throught the entire

respective luminance range, as well as dynamic contrast functionality, plus of course color performance, as well as the other key areas

The question is: is the stable picture and p3 coverage provided by the HT9060s fast cycling LEDs obviously overwhelmed by the sheer dynamic nature of the lk990 powerful blue laser, or is it a matter of preference and screen size?

RBE is a big question here also and I think given RBE is subjective and varies per person it would be awesome to have some objective data such as high speed image capture to identify approx the color cycling speed of each in comparison.

SDR content is also important to test because while many are buying these projectors to upgrade to 4k HDR, the reality is most available content is overwhelmingly SDR.

Also would appreciate an in-depth look at how effective and obtrusive the smarteco laser/led dimming is in each model on varying APLs.

Should be a fun comparison
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@bobof any suggestions as to how one might go about objectively measuring the severity/magnitude of the RAINBOW EFFECT with respect to relevant projectors?

If you use high shutter speed camera, like high speed video camera for instance, you should be able to start to see the sequential color breakup as you increase the shutter speed of the camera. Eventually you should get to the point where the color breakup starts to be obvious. Then you can compare on the same shutter speed how the breakup compares on each projector. Its tough to actually measure the exact speed, but you could objectively present data (via photo captures of the videos) which has less breakup/faster cycling speed given the same shutter speed. If someone has a better method, feel free to chime in, but I think that's how I would attack it You might need specialized camera equipment if you actually wanted to time the flashes and get the true cycling speed.
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