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JVC x590, x790 or Sony 285 or 295ES near me?

Just wondering if anybody has a theatre with a JVC x590, x790 or a Sony 285 or 295ES set up near me in the Greater Toronto Area of Southern Ontario. I live in Pickering and work in Toronto. Do have one of the above projectors in your home theatre and would you be willing to show it off in action? I am slowly getting my living room home theatre up and running with my Sony 45ES as my starting choice. I am just returning to the front projection hobby and wanted to see what the options are for me to step up to lower black levels and deeper blacks. Thanks in advance
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Just wondering if anybody has a theatre with a JVC x590, x790 or a Sony 285 or 295ES set up near me in the Greater Toronto Area of Southern Ontario. I live in Pickering and work in Toronto. Do have one of the above projectors in your home theatre and would you be willing to show it off in action? I am slowly getting my living room home theatre up and running with my Sony 45ES as my starting choice. I am just returning to the front projection hobby and wanted to see what the options are for me to step up to lower black levels and deeper blacks. Thanks in advance
Your 45ES will have deeper blacks than the 285/295ES since those offer no dynamic iris. Just an FYI if you're looking for deeper blacks than your 45ES (and you should be), the 285/295ES are not it.

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Your 45ES will have deeper blacks than the 285/295ES since those offer no dynamic iris. Just an FYI if you're looking for deeper blacks than your 45ES (and you should be), the 285/295ES are not it.
The 45ES has no dynamic iris either and my 295ES has deeper blacks than my previous 40ES which is identical to the 45ES.

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From what I understood the black levels of the 285 and 295 are deeper than the 45ES but not by a lot. Compared to my 45 ES I was told the x590 has deeper blacks and the x790 supposedly has much deeper blacks.
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The 45ES has no dynamic iris either and my 295ES has deeper blacks than my previous 40ES which is identical to the 45ES.
Oh my mistake on the iris thing but...

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From what I understood the black levels of the 285 and 295 are deeper than the 45ES but not by a lot. Compared to my 45 ES I was told the x590 has deeper blacks and the x790 supposedly has much deeper blacks.
Yea I don't think the native contrast on the 285/295 is better than the 45es (both are so bad sony doesn't publish the spec). I think you're looking around 15000:1 or so. The 285/295 may have a slight advantage to the 45ES in blacks because it's 17.5% dimmer and runs less lumens. That's a good thing for blacks, bad thing for over all brightness. Also, many of you guys with 45ES that upgraded to 285/295 would likely have witness some panel degradation over time without realizing it so the "new" 295 or 285 would seem to perform better.

Really, if someone's reason for upgrading out of a 45ES is "better blacks", the 285/295 is just not the right answer. A 385 or 695 would have better blacks with addition of dynamic iris. Of course any JVC would stomp all over it for blacks.

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Really, if someone's reason for upgrading out of a 45ES is "better blacks", the 285/295 is just not the right answer. A 385 or 695 would have better blacks with addition of dynamic iris. Of course any JVC would stomp all over it for blacks.
True on the 385 and 695, but have you seen the JVC LX-UH1B? J/K

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True on the 385 and 695, but have you seen the JVC LX-UH1B? J/K

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haha yea I don't even consider that JVC DLP a JVC projector lol.
Specifically, if you want better blacks coming from a Sony 45ES, a JVC 590 / RS440, 790 / RS540 are both great options.

Now if you're reason for upgrading is native 4K that's a different discussion.
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Just wondering if anybody has a theatre with a JVC x590, x790 or a Sony 285 or 295ES set up near me in the Greater Toronto Area of Southern Ontario. I live in Pickering and work in Toronto. Do have one of the above projectors in your home theatre and would you be willing to show it off in action? I am slowly getting my living room home theatre up and running with my Sony 45ES as my starting choice. I am just returning to the front projection hobby and wanted to see what the options are for me to step up to lower black levels and deeper blacks. Thanks in advance
I don't know if they still have them set up but Eastporters in Oakville had them set up, but may have replaced the X590 with the new 4K JVC projectors now

My x590 is not in a muti-purpose basement room until I move
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Just wondering if anybody has a theatre with a JVC x590, x790 or a Sony 285 or 295ES set up near me in the Greater Toronto Area of Southern Ontario. I live in Pickering and work in Toronto. Do have one of the above projectors in your home theatre and would you be willing to show it off in action? I am slowly getting my living room home theatre up and running with my Sony 45ES as my starting choice. I am just returning to the front projection hobby and wanted to see what the options are for me to step up to lower black levels and deeper blacks. Thanks in advance
Not a canuck but I did go from a 45ES to a 790 and the black level difference is staggering. 45ES is a great projector though.
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I may visit Eastporters (it's where I bought my 45ES) but they aren't next door. I also want to see these projectors in the wild...lol. As in, I want to see them in a home theatre.
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I do struggle with the fact that the x590 and x790 are not True 4k projectors. I don't think it's the most important feature but it does offer some benefit so I wish these projectors were true 4k.
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I do struggle with the fact that the x590 and x790 are not True 4k projectors. I don't think it's the most important feature but it does offer some benefit so I wish these projectors were true 4k.
Agreed. So you'd need to consider the N5 in that case as the minimum for decent black and 4K.

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cpc, I'm going through a similar process as you. I currently have a Sony VPLHW15 (yes, it's old but works well!) and I'm considering the upgrade to a 4k projector. I'm looking at the current crop of SXRD Sony 4k and LCOS JVC eshift 4k projectors and was quite disappointed that Sony's projectors no longer include a dynamic iris in their introductory models. I have seen the Sony 295 in action and the lack of the dynamic iris was noticeable in the few test scenes that I witnessed. I'm debating the need for native 4k versus better contrast (aka Sony versus JVC).

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cpc, I'm going through a similar process as you. I currently have a Sony VPLHW15 (yes, it's old but works well!) and I'm considering the upgrade to a 4k projector. I'm looking at the current crop of SXRD Sony 4k and LCOS JVC eshift 4k projectors and was quite disappointed that Sony's projectors no longer include a dynamic iris in their introductory models. I have seen the Sony 295 in action and the lack of the dynamic iris was noticeable in the few test scenes that I witnessed. I'm debating the need for native 4k versus better contrast (aka Sony versus JVC).
The native 4K is beneficial if you play games or run a HTPC with desktop use. The 295ES also has Triluminos which makes the colors pop more; Sony's entry level projectors don't have Triluminos. It was a good upgrade from my HW45ES.
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The native 4K is beneficial if you play games or run a HTPC with desktop use. The 295ES also has Triluminos which makes the colors pop more; Sony's entry level projectors don't have Triluminos. It was a good upgrade from my HW45ES.
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I do struggle with the fact that the x590 and x790 are not True 4k projectors. I don't think it's the most important feature but it does offer some benefit so I wish these projectors were true 4k.
Black levels, contrast, and color accuracy are far more important then resolution as long as you have HD or course, that is why JVC usually takes the win.
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Just wondering if anybody has a theatre with a JVC x590, x790 or a Sony 285 or 295ES set up near me in the Greater Toronto Area of Southern Ontario. I live in Pickering and work in Toronto. Do have one of the above projectors in your home theatre and would you be willing to show it off in action? I am slowly getting my living room home theatre up and running with my Sony 45ES as my starting choice. I am just returning to the front projection hobby and wanted to see what the options are for me to step up to lower black levels and deeper blacks. Thanks in advance
I am located at Stouffville. I have ordered an X790R over 2 weeks ago and is expecting shipment sometime next week. It is going to be in a dedicated theater, you are welcome to visit once I have it installed.
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Just wondering if anybody has a theatre with a JVC x590, x790 or a Sony 285 or 295ES set up near me in the Greater Toronto Area of Southern Ontario. I live in Pickering and work in Toronto. Do have one of the above projectors in your home theatre and would you be willing to show it off in action? I am slowly getting my living room home theatre up and running with my Sony 45ES as my starting choice. I am just returning to the front projection hobby and wanted to see what the options are for me to step up to lower black levels and deeper blacks. Thanks in advance [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]
I am located at Stouffville. I have ordered an X790R over 2 weeks ago and is expecting shipment sometime next week. It is going to be in a dedicated theater, you are welcome to visit once I have it installed.
That would be awesome. Stouffville? Hmmm, are also selling an RS45?

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That would be awesome. Stouffville? Hmmm, are also selling an RS45? &#x1f601;&#x1f913;
Yes, Stouffville. Yes, I am also selling my RS45 you probably saw in Canuck. Unfortunately I am yet to receive the X790r. Looks like JVC inventory is running low.
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I don't know if they still have them set up but Eastporters in Oakville had them set up, but may have replaced the X590 with the new 4K JVC projectors now

My x590 is not in a muti-purpose basement room until I move
Where are you located? How and where is your x590 set up? I am using my projector in a living room, not a basement, and I am slowly getting some serious curtains and other flexible treatments going.

I don't think I can buy a new projector for a few months and of course it would mean flipping my brand new hardly used Sony 45ES. My thinking is the x590 gets me very good contrast and black levels for now at a low cost premium, saving my money later for a higher level 4k JVC. The x790 gives me even better blacks for not a whole lot more money. My only other option is a used JVC for now. I don't think I can afford 4k until a higher level 4k JVC with close to or better than x790 blacks/contrast is affordable in a few years/generations (around or less than $5-6K). I really find the black levels of the 45ES disappointing. My last gen 65VT60 Panasonic plasma is spoiling me. In fact (gasps from projector owners)... the thought of sticking with my 65" plasma for now doesn't bother me. It's just, I have already started the ball rolling so I'd rather continue. The projector is really useful for 2.35:1 movies. So much larger vs the TV.
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Any projector will benefit dramatically if you remove light from the room and by this I don’t mean just ambient but also reflective. I also had an HW45es and if wasn’t until I spent £200 on self-adhesive black flock velour that I realised just how much reflective light from the screen was bouncing back off the walls despite them being Matt and dark grey.

So unless you really go to the extreme to get rid of all light then all the lovely black levels those JVCs are famous for will be wasted.

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Any projector will benefit dramatically if you remove light from the room and by this I don’t mean just ambient but also reflective. I also had an HW45es and if wasn’t until I spent £200 on self-adhesive black flock velour that I realised just how much reflective light from the screen was bouncing back off the walls despite them being Matt and dark grey.

So unless you really go to the extreme to get rid of all light then all the lovely black levels those JVCs are famous for will be wasted.
Yes, you're right. I understand. My living room is somewhat complicated. The ceiling is white, the curtains on the right on not dark and the floor isn't dark either. The wall on the left is very far away. I will start with darker curtains and a dark carpet on the floor and I am going to try some clever masking on the ceiling that could also be connected to curtains that are drawn out on either side. I may create a sort of draped cave that can be implemented when using the projector. It will be a project. Before I do that I am sourcing a different centre speaker so I can properly mount my plasma on the wall.

Perhaps I will continue on this path for now. I may still view and compare the 45ES with the x590 and x790 under similar conditions and see how they all compare.

Again, if there are x590 and x790 owners in the GTA (Toronto Southern Ontario area) who are willing to show off or even compare their projector to mine, let me know.

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Still looking for folks with x590 and x790 in my area.
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Still looking for folks with x590 and x790 in my area.
I am informed that the shipment of next set of X790 will not be till mid April. I will let you know once I have it.
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I am informed that the shipment of next set of X790 will not be till mid April. I will let you know once I have it.
How much deeper are the blacks and how much better is the contrast with the x590 vs the x790? I understand the blacks of x590 are a lot better than the Sony 45ES, but are the black levels of the x790 only incrementally better then the x590 or are they much deeper?

Basically if I'm trying to save money is it worth it to still go for the x790 or can I save a bit of cash for now and go with the x590 and still see a dramatic improvement in black levels over the Sony 45 ES?

Haven't seen very many comparisons of the x590 vs x790 at all, except in either of the individual reviews for each stating some differences, but I'm not getting the big picture so to speak. Pardon the pun.
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How much deeper are the blacks and how much better is the contrast with the x590 vs the x790? I understand the blacks of x590 are a lot better than the Sony 45ES, but are the black levels of the x790 only incrementally better then the x590 or are they much deeper?

Basically if I'm trying to save money is it worth it to still go for the x790 or can I save a bit of cash for now and go with the x590 and still see a dramatic improvement in black levels over the Sony 45 ES?

Haven't seen very many comparisons of the x590 vs x790 at all, except in either of the individual reviews for each stating some differences, but I'm not getting the big picture so to speak. Pardon the pun.
I went from an RS400 (x550) to RS540 (x790). They both throw a very similar beautiful picture and in most cases I doubt you could tell the difference. I found that the colors with the color filter to be more accurate out of the box with the RS540 but if you don't use it they were equally good.

Really dark and contrasty scenes RS540 is a little better but the RS400 was still pretty good.

If the street price is about a $1000 bucks between the two I would go with the x790, to me thats about the tipping point.

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How much deeper are the blacks and how much better is the contrast with the x590 vs the x790? I understand the blacks of x590 are a lot better than the Sony 45ES, but are the black levels of the x790 only incrementally better then the x590 or are they much deeper?

Basically if I'm trying to save money is it worth it to still go for the x790 or can I save a bit of cash for now and go with the x590 and still see a dramatic improvement in black levels over the Sony 45 ES?

Haven't seen very many comparisons of the x590 vs x790 at all, except in either of the individual reviews for each stating some differences, but I'm not getting the big picture so to speak. Pardon the pun.
I have not seen X590 in action. Your best bet is to visit eastporters. Btw you can get X790r for a lot less than the msrp.
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Still looking for folks with x590 and x790 in my area.
After 3 months of waiting, I received my X790r last week and is now installed. If you are still in the lookout, you are welcome to come in for a demo.
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