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Any true 4k UHD projectors under $4,000?

I have a BenQ 1080p projector right now. I want to buy a true 4k UHD projector but don't want to spend over $4,000. Is this even possible?
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Yes many DLPs

I've seen the 0.67" 4K DLP side by side and it's sharper than my 4K native JVC NX5 or an NX7. And the JVC is a little sharper even than something like the Sony 295/695.
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I have a BenQ 1080p projector right now. I want to buy a true 4k UHD projector but don't want to spend over $4,000. Is this even possible?
BenQ HT8060
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BenQ HT8060

I'm seeing a price of $7,999 for the 8060.
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You may also want to check out street price for Sony 295, couple of weeks ago I saw a dealer offering it at a pretty good price. Not that I would reccommend that unit particularly.
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I'm seeing a price of $7,999 for the 8060.
Street price brand new is massively less than MSRP for these more expensive BenQ projectors. One of the largest discounts in the industry.

On a side note, a couple of refurb HT9060 have popped up on BenQ direct within the OP's budget (and sold out rapidly). But if OP wants brand new HT8060 is the one to get.
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The poster said "true" 4K, which I take it means the native 4k panels and not actuators or shifting.
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I have a BenQ 1080p projector right now. I want to buy a true 4k UHD projector but don't want to spend over $4,000. Is this even possible?
A huge yes if you buy used or refurbished.
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The poster said "true" 4K, which I take it means the native 4k panels and not actuators or shifting.


Sure, but what if the poster doesn’t realize that the 0.67” 4K DLP are actually sharper than native 4K?

Surely sharpness and detail are what they want and not simply the mathematical number behind it?

I just viewed a 0.67” 4K DLP vs my NX5 on a 150” wide screen and it was noticeably sharper than my native 4K JVC.


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Sure, but what if the poster doesn’t realize that the 0.67” 4K DLP are actually sharper than native 4K?

Surely sharpness and detail are what they want and not simply the mathematical number behind it?

I just viewed a 0.67” 4K DLP vs my NX5 on a 150” wide screen and it was noticeably sharper than my native 4K JVC.


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That's great to hear. I know that while the XPR DLP might come up a bit short on resolving all the detail, the single chip precision with a good lens can really look outstanding. Which DLP did you view and how were its black levels compared with your NX5?
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That's great to hear. I know that while the XPR DLP might come up a bit short on resolving all the detail, the single chip precision with a good lens can really look outstanding. Which DLP did you view and how were its black levels compared with your NX5?
I'll just link to my post here.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-di...l#post57829982
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Oh yes...I did read that and had given it a "Like." I'm actually selling my Sony 695 that I recently purchased and have been on the fence now between a BenQ and a different Lcos as some are reporting RBE on the 970. How were the black levels on the LK970...acceptable?
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Oh yes...I did read that and had given it a "Like." I'm actually selling my Sony 695 that I recently purchased and have been on the fence now as some are reporting RBE on the 970. How were the black levels on the LK970...acceptable?
They are probably acceptable for the majority of people. However I still wouldn't choose one unless I really needed the brightness or really wanted the 20,000 hour laser instead of bulb.

I think for screens larger than around 140" diagonal, the LK970 becomes very attractive.

As far as RBE, it's still very much there as any DLP that I have seen. Truth be told I have not seen too many modern DLPs. I know it;s got less RBE than DLPs from say 5 years ago.

I guess I am probably very RBE sensitive though as I don't think the other 3 people who were there were bothered by it as much as me.

1 of the 3 couldn't see RBE at all, the other 2 could see them at least in some scenes, but didn't think it was a problematic factor for them.
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Street price brand new is massively less than MSRP for these more expensive BenQ projectors. One of the largest discounts in the industry.

On a side note, a couple of refurb HT9060 have popped up on BenQ direct within the OP's budget (and sold out rapidly). But if OP wants brand new HT8060 is the one to get.

Good to know, thanks!
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Would this be a better choice than a sony?

http://www.nextwarehouse.com/item/?2...SABEgJqoPD_BwE
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Would this be a better choice than a sony?

http://www.nextwarehouse.com/item/?2...SABEgJqoPD_BwE
What's your screen size & gain?
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135" screen. Not sure what you mean by gain...
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Here is a BenQ that is a DLP laser:


http://www.nextwarehouse.com/item/?2...SABEgJqoPD_BwE

And the Sony:

https://www.crutchfield.com/p_158VW2...iAAEgJy5vD_BwE

The BenQ is 3840 x 2160

And the Sony is 4096 x 2160

Which would look better? And the DLP would be better with video games right?

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My personal opinion the best choice is sony 295es under $4,000
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135" screen. Not sure what you mean by gain...
Gain is essentially how much extra light is reflected back from the screen. Common amounts are 1.0, 1.1, 1.3. This is very important to know when selecting a projector.

The LK970 (blue laser) is ultra bright, but keep in mind it does not natively support HDR so you will need a tonemapping solution; it also does not support 3D. It's replacement the LK990 supports both HDR and 3D.

The HT9060 (HLD LED) is still bright but not nearly as bright as the lk970, however the HT9060 supports both HDR and 3D.

Refurbished from benqdirect both are in your budget. Which one to get really depends on your screen gain. If you have 1.3 gain I'd go with the ht9060, as it's quieter and supports HDR. Keep in mind the lk970 may be an issue with HDR on game console since it has no HDR support and the replacement lk990 that does is more expensive.

The BenQ in general are super sharp and very colorful (look great with games) but the blacks aren't as deep as sony. On your size screen though I have a feeling the sony will look dim and less punchy especially after the bulb dims in 750hr.

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I kind of want the laser BenQ since the laser lasts 20,000 hour. Where do i find the BenQ refurbed? Also what is a tonemapping solution? And what does 3d do?

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If you are looking at 3840x2160 resolution PJs, then the Optoma UHZ65 is a laser PJ in your price range as well.

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What is QFHD 3840 x 2160? That Optoma looks nice as well! It has 2,000,000:1 contrast. Is that a good number on the contrast? And do you think the laser projectors look as good as the bulbs do?
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I don't have any first-hand experience with the UHZ65, but I'm hoping to remedy that soon. I am pretty close to buying one now.

Here's a pretty good read on the comparison between the UHZ65 and the Sony 365ES.
https://www.tvspecialists.com/optoma...y-vpl-vw365es/

They have several videos and comparisons of the UHZ65. They also offer an upgraded version of the UHZ65.

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The UHZ65 is sounding real nice after that comparison for the price!
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Where are the native 4k laser PJ? Are they incredibly expensive?
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That JVC is not a laser PJ. I want at least a true 4k maybe a native 4k even.
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Laser projectors will dim over time. However when the laser projector begins to dim you will not be able to replace the light source easily as you would with a bulb. Also be careful for falling for long-duration laser life specs. They do not factor in when the laser source will dim to half brightness. My personal pick would be the Sony. Optoma projectors have bad color accuracy in my opinion and their native contrast which is below 2000:1 is way too low for my liking.

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Laser projectors will dim over time. However when the laser projector begins to dim you will not be able to replace the light source easily as you would with a bulb. Also be careful for falling for long-duration laser life specs. They do not factor in when the laser source will dim to half brightness. My personal pick would be the Sony. Optoma projectors have bad color accuracy in my opinion and their native contrast which is below 2000:1 is way too low for my liking.
This is the first time I've seen this. From what I can tell, the life specs on the laser PJs is based on 50% dimming. They dim linearly compared to bulbs that will lose 20% or so of their brightness in the first couple hundred hours (in general). So a bulb will fall off quickly to begin with, and then more gradually throughout the remainder of its life. Whereas a laser dims at the same rate over its lifetime.

The graphic below is one I found for a Panasonic PJ with a little Googling.




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