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Better than going on a superman ride and then say it's like being superman!
That's pretty damn funny coming from a guy who believes he owns a magic screen! Blacks blacker and whites whiter all at the same time!!! LMAO. One of the funniest things I've EVER read on this forum in all the years I've been here. Thank you for the entertainment!
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Someone should tell Arrow to stop measuring contrast above 1.5% ADL. Apparently anything above 1.5% doesn't matter at all and he's just wasting his time.
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That's pretty damn funny coming from a guy who believes he owns a magic screen! Blacks blacker and whites whiter all at the same time!!! LMAO. One of the funniest things I've EVER read on this forum in all the years I've been here. Thank you for the entertainment!
Never said it was magic.. that's what you said.. lolz! you're just become a comedian... i suppose you're the first man on the moon now that you have played with rockets as a kid?
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That's pretty damn funny coming from a guy who believes he owns a magic screen! Blacks blacker and whites whiter all at the same time!!! LMAO. One of the funniest things I've EVER read on this forum in all the years I've been here. Thank you for the entertainment!
Sounds like a Tide laundry soap commercial.
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Never said it was magic..
You might as well have when you said it made blacks blacker and whites whiter all at the same time! Classic. I can find your quote if you dont believe you said this?
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You might as well have when you said it made blacks blacker and whites whiter all at the same time! Classic. I can find your quote if you dont believe you said this?
That's what's called our perception... our perception of the world isn't the same as any objective truth... and you obviously don't even understand that.. perhaps back to kindergarten for some basic science lessons?

oh, hows that giant grizzly that attacked you feel like? Exactly like that teddy bear you have?
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Sounds like a Tide laundry soap commercial.
I'll be happy to get some royalty for it...
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Someone should tell Arrow to stop measuring contrast above 1.5% ADL. Apparently anything above 1.5% doesn't matter at all and he's just wasting his time.
No, I would say it is relevant from 15% and down, but the importance increases as you go from 15% to 0%
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Sounds like a Tide laundry soap commercial.
Exactly! I think the same marketing department that did those Tide commercials is marketing for coolgeeks screen.....and he believes it!

Ok, I'm done having fun with coolgeek. Sorry I sunk to his level for a moment, but that was too much fun.
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No, I would say it is relevant from 15% and down, but the importance increases as you go from 15% to 0%
Of course I was being sarcastic. But even if contrast only matters below 15% that still favors the Sonys on a lot of material. I certainly notice darker blacks and better pop on my Sony than my JVC on many bright and mixed scenes (certainly not all, since the way a scene is mastered is hugely important).
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Of course I was being sarcastic. But even if contrast only matters below 15% that still favors the Sonys on a lot of material. I certainly notice darker blacks and better pop on my Sony than my JVC on many bright and mixed scenes (certainly not all, since the way a scene is mastered is hugely important).
If they were both calibrated, then the differences are small. As I have always said, the good projectors look a lot more alike than they do different. It is usually only until you get to the very low ADL scenes that you can see any difference.
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How cool, one of my posts is being misrepresented.

For the record coolgeek, I found the JVCs produced the best images for the overall content we saw and with material I am more familiar with appeared better balanced. If I recall correctly the JVCs color volume capabilities are more robust than the Sonys as well, or the very least one of them. We did some back and forth comparisons and the Sonys were bright but lacked the color depth of the JVCs. Now without the direct comparisons the color differences are not dramatic enough to declare the Sony(s) are grossly inadequate but to my novice to projectors eyes I prefer color, shadow detail, black levels, and native contrast over sheer light output.
-I believe to recall that the auto-iris was disabled for all the projectors and assuming so the raw black level reproduction abilities of the JVCs were very evident.

If there had been more time it would have been interesting to see how the Sonys performed with external tone mapping processed by a player instead of the Sony's raw tone mapping abilities.


Again as it stands I felt the JVCs provided a nice balance in performance and the Sonys produce a nice image as well, factoring out certain issues that were present during the shootout, and those that have made that purchase still have good projectors.


At least in my opinion as someone who does not own a projector nor will not in the near future; so I give zero figs about any given brand and price is not a factor since I am not in the market.



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Here are some quotes I can find...

How important is it to you that a majority of members here recognize your belief that Sony is the leader in home theater front projection? And why is that?
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No one is asking CG the most important question... What is friend chicken and please tell me more about it!!!
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If they were both calibrated, then the differences are small. As I have always said, the good projectors look a lot more alike than they do different. It is usually only until you get to the very low ADL scenes that you can see any difference.
Contrast differences in bright scenes are certainly less obvious than contrast differences in dark scenes, so overall low ADL contrast is more important. If I could only have one projector it would be a JVC. There, that should make the experts here happy.
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How important is it to you that a majority of members here recognize your belief that Sony is the leader in home theater front projection? And why is that?
The leader is always decided by the owner, everyone picks what is best in there mind but it does not make it so for the next guy.....Chevy VS Ford for example......
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Hey everyone - we have finalized the details for the event! You can get the schedule and free registration at projectorexpo.com.

I am happy to report we have all the following projectors for the shootout / expo, and that special guest Kris Deering will be on hand to calibrate and answer questions.

Sony VPL-VW995ES - Sony's laser projector with the ARC-F lens, MSRP $34999
Sony VPL-VW695ES - Sony's most popular 4K model on the AVS Forum, MSRP $9999
JVC DLA-RS3000 - JVC's top of the line bulb based projector with premium lens and 8K upconversion, MSRP $17999
JVC DLA-RS2000 - JVC's middle of the line 4K projector and most popular on the AVS Forum, MSRP $7999

WHAT: A chance to compare the top 4K projectors in the industry under controlled conditions, with Special Guests:

Kris Deering (Deep Dive AV, Sound and Vision)
Chris Deutsch (JVC)
Russell Warnhoff (Kaleidescape)
Shawn Kelly (Panamorph - tentative)
Craig Rounds (CIR Engineering)

All projectors will be calibrated by Kris Deering, with possible assistance from Craig. While the AVS Forum has given me permission to post about the event, this is NOT an AVS Forum sponsored event. This is an educational event only, NOT a sales event, and everyone is welcome.

WHEN: April 27th and 28th, 2019, 1-6 pm, with a tentative "pre-party" and get-together the evening of Friday, April 26 6-9 pm probably at my house. Friday night would be an opportunity to hear a JBL Synthesis Immersive Surround System, plus our Speaker Shootout Winner the Revel Salon2, plus see the JVC DLA-RS3000 in action.

As mentioned, Sound and Vision technical editor and calibrator extraordinaire Kris Deering will be in town to properly set up all the projectors for the event. Depending on his schedule, he may also be available to calibrate your own personal display during his stay.

The details, broken out:

DATES:

Pre-Event Party and Get-Together:

Friday night, April 26, 6-9 pm
Location: My house (address is provided if you register for free at projectorexpo.com)

Projector Expo / Shootout:

Session 1: Saturday, April 27, 1-6 pm
Session 2: Sunday, April 28, 1-6 pm

LOCATION:

525 N. Cascade Ave, Colorado Springs CO 80903

We will be using a Stewart StudioTek130 screen in a light controlled room.

WE ARE EXPECTING A LARGE NUMBER OF ATTENDEES. PLEASE LET US KNOW ASAP if you want to attend. You can RSVP by PM'ing me here at the AVS Forum, or simply by visiting projectorexpo.com.

ABOUT KRIS DEERING, SPECIAL GUEST AND CALIBRATOR

Kris Deering has been involved in the Home Theater industry in many capacities. He is currently a writer/technical editor for Sound and Vision magazine and a calibrator and consultant through his own company, Deep Dive AV. He has also been a writer and editor for various other publications, both in print and online, including Home Theater magazine and Secrets of Home Theater and High Fidelity. Kris has done work for some of the biggest names in the AV industry, offering a wide range of services including calibration, product development, product testing and training. Many of you know of him already thanks to his major contributions to this forum.

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