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The silence is speaking volumes. We have some of the most opinionated videophiles on the net and no one was impressed enough to even write a one page summary of what they saw. Was it that disappointing?

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The silence is speaking volumes. We have some of the most opinionated videophiles on the net and no one was impressed enough to even write a one page summary of what they saw. Was it that disappointing?
Actually, word on the street I'm hearing now is there was a silent player there that killed all the rest of the pj's post calibration. The BenQ laser.

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Actually, word on the street I'm hearing now is there was a silent player there that killed all the rest of the pj's post calibration. The BenQ laser.
From the threads on those, they're incredibly bright, don't calibrate to P3 (or 709) well and the contrast isn't good. I could see it appealing to the really big screen crowd, but not running away with a universal win. I suppose I could be wrong, but having seen an Optoma 4K DLP my thought wasn't that it needed to be brighter to fix its shortcomings.

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Actually, word on the street I'm hearing now is there was a silent player there that killed all the rest of the pj's post calibration. The BenQ laser.
RBE, Poor Contrast, not true 4k, lack of full lens shift and other features. I doubt many would accept this in the shootout.
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Actually, word on the street I'm hearing now is there was a silent player there that killed all the rest of the pj's post calibration. The BenQ laser.
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The silence is speaking volumes. We have some of the most opinionated videophiles on the net and no one was impressed enough to even write a one page summary of what they saw. Was it that disappointing?
I'm sure it was a long weekend, so let them come up for air in a day or so.
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I'm sure it was a long weekend, so let them come up for air in a day or so.



The attendees must not be members here.


I'd expect that the guys running the event are wiped out though.
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From the threads on those, they're incredibly bright, don't calibrate to P3 (or 709) well and the contrast isn't good. I could see it appealing to the really big screen crowd, but not running away with a universal win. I suppose I could be wrong, but having seen an Optoma 4K DLP my thought wasn't that it needed to be brighter to fix its shortcomings.
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RBE, Poor Contrast, not true 4k, lack of full lens shift and other features. I doubt many would accept this in the shootout.
Mike got it... Was totally a joke.
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Mike got it... Was totally a joke.
Sorry must need more coffee...

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The attendees must not be members here.
Outside of the industry contingent and John's crew, AVS Forum members were there--my guess is 1/3 (or so) of Saturday's attendees. I don't know about Sunday.

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I'd expect that the guys running the event are wiped out though.
John and his crew were tired after Saturday's gathering and were probably toast once yesterday's gathering dispersed. They also still had to get the shootout space back to its usual configuration before the building opened today...probably a couple hours worth of work at least.
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Having spoken to people who attended (I, unfortunately, was unable to attend due to something coming up at the last minute), I can say that opinions were most certainly formed. But, I think most people are waiting for John to give his writeup first.
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I commend everyone for being respectful if not downright secretive about all of this... You guys are doing a way better job than literally EVERYONE that is watching GoT. I have never watched a single episode of that show, of any season, but with the social media storm it has formed this season, I seem to know basically everything that is happening...No need to even watch!
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Kris is going to be at my house tomorrow so I will not pay him until he spills the beans.....

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I commend everyone for being respectful if not downright secretive about all of this... You guys are doing a way better job than literally EVERYONE that is watching GoT. I have never watched a single episode of that show, of any season, but with the social media storm it has formed this season, I seem to know basically everything that is happening...No need to even watch!
I just hosted a GOT watching 'party' on what I thought was a high quality TV which would have no issues with banding on dark scenes.
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I just hosted a GOT watching 'party' on what I thought was a high quality TV which would have no issues with banding on dark scenes.
GOT was spectacular on my RS3000 last night. Dark scenes and all.
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I will try to keep it succinct.

TL;DR

The shootout was cool and each projector had its respective strengths.
I happen to like the JVCs.
-I do not own any projectors nor work for any vendor at the shootout.
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KMFDM, thanks for the great write up about event!
So strange that there is no more conversation about it. My take on the lack of heated discussion is that all projectors performed relatively well and JVC was not head and shoulders above Sony.
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KMFDM, thanks for the great write up about event!
So strange that there is no more conversation about it. My take on the lack of heated discussion is that all projectors performed relatively well and JVC was not head and shoulders above Sony.
Give it a day or two and it will probably heat up. While we are waiting, does anyone want to guess the 1 and 2 ranking of the projectors viewed?
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Give it a day or two and it will probably heat up. While we are waiting, does anyone want to guess the 1 and 2 ranking of the projectors viewed?
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2000 > 3000 > 695 > 995

Same as every other post/thread/comparison.

2000>3000 because you dont get much improvement for over double the price. 695 after both JVC because Im sure the demo was half space scenes. 995 in last place, because so many people agree its overpriced for what it offers compared to past offerings from Sony and JVC current offerings.
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The Sony's have some great lenses and resolved detail well and can produce a nice bright image.
Depending on the scene with HDR content the Sony's rendered highlights/whites better than the JVCs.
However the Sonys require proactively adjusting certain picture settings to get the best tone mapping performance on a given HDR title.

It was not wholly clear if this particular 995 unit at the shootout was perhaps slightly defective or the ambient room temperature was affecting it or all the other projectors for that matter. Kris mentioned that with the 995s he has worked on they exhibit some banding but the first day was likely an outlier which was moderately corrected for by simply turning it off and on again. The theory was potentially HDMI handshake issues and Kris did some further calibration for the second day and the 995 looked much better. With a particular JVC UHD demo the Sonys can really shine.


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Sonys are nice and sharp.

On the second day I actually saw the difference in sharpness between the JVC 3000 and 2000. Not a dramatic difference and highly dependent on seating distance but it is there.
If I were purchasing a Sony projector right now I would probably lean more towards the 695. The 995 is cool but if the banding is present in all units I could never be satisfied with that.
Color space reproduction is indeed very important but without direct comparison reference models with lesser capability will still produce a nice image.

Hopefully the experts will provide their knowledgeable comments soon and correct any of my mistakes or potential misrepresentations found in my impressions.
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The Sony's have some great lenses and resolved detail well and can produce a nice bright image.
Depending on the scene with HDR content the Sony's rendered highlights/whites better than the JVCs.
However the Sonys require proactively adjusting certain picture settings to get the best tone mapping performance on a given HDR title.

It was not wholly clear if this particular 995 unit at the shootout was perhaps slightly defective or the ambient room temperature as affecting it or all the other projectors for that matter. Kris mentioned that with the 995s he has worked on they exhibit some banding but the first day was likely an outlier which was moderately corrected for by simply turning it on and off again. The theory was potentially HDMI handshake issues and Kris did some further calibration for the second day and the 995 looked much better. With a particular JVC UHD demo the Sonys can really shine.


Other impressions:
Sonys are nice and sharp.

On the second day I actually saw the difference in sharpness between the JVC 3000 and 2000. Not a dramatic difference and highly dependent on seating distance but it is there.
If I were purchasing a Sony projector right now I would probably lean more towards the 695. The 995 is cool but if the banding is present in all units I could never be satisfied with that.
Color space reproduction is indeed very important but without direct comparison reference models with lesser capability will still produce a nice image.

Hopefully the experts will provide their knowledgeable comments soon and correct any of my mistakes or potential misrepresentations found in my impressions.
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1)any advantage a JVC has is enormous
2)any advantage the Sony has is tiny and JVC is closing the gap
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4)99% of movies are space shots with stars and contrast is king..so nothing else matters

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Episode 3 of Season 8 of GOT was excellent on my Sony 695ES. I had no trouble seeing detail in even the darkest scenes and highlights were rendered very bright as I would expect while blacks were very nice as well. Another example of excellent streaming 4K + HDR content as presented by the 695ES is Bosch on Amazon Prime. Very pleased with this projector which is perfect for my situation and purpose.
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You probably didn't get the AVS memo so let me catch you up:

1)any advantage a JVC has is enormous
2)any advantage the Sony has is tiny and JVC is closing the gap
3)Sony's are priced too high
4)99% of movies are space shots with stars and contrast is king..so nothing else matters

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2000 > 3000 > 695 > 995

Same as every other post/thread/comparison.

2000>3000 because you dont get much improvement for over double the price. 695 after both JVC because Im sure the demo was half space scenes. 995 in last place, because so many people agree its overpriced for what it offers compared to past offerings from Sony and JVC current offerings.
No, I am talking about best image, not best value. Leave cost out of it.
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No, I am talking about best image, not best value. Leave cost out of it.
Well my guess then changes to 3000>2000>695>995 as people have already said the 995 had issues and may have been a bad unit.
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I hope my friend decides to post their impressions because they are far more knowledgeable about projectors and calibration than myself.


Also I do not have any skin in the game with projectors nor do I have any brand loyalty. I have not been following the threads in the great projector debate. Currently my video priorities are with flatpanels, now if I am ever in the position for a projection setup I know have a decent impression of what may work best for me with today's options.


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Geez what's with all the sarcasm and negativity? 2 comparison threads and both are bringing up this "cult of JVC". Yeah we all spent money on brand X because it gets us points on an Internet forum. Has nothing to do with objective comparisons.

I bought an RS520 because when compared to the Sony 4K offerings the differences in detail weren't huge, but the contrast and brightness were noticeably better. I'm sure others made the same comparison and preferred Sony's picture enhancements and motion handling.

I'll be interested to see how this shakes out. If Sony comes out on top, kudos to them. Same if it's JVC.

I'll be curious to see how the optics compare. The uniformity and detail of the lens on previous Sony 4Ks I evaluated wasn't stellar. The lens on the NX7 is very sharp and uniform. If Sony has upped their game here, they deserve a lot of credit. I'm not particularly sensitive to motion, so this is another area I will be interested to see where people land.

And yes low light scenes are going to be compared because they are the hardest for any front projector to reproduce and do comprise a fair amount of what we watch. It's not a tactic to favor any one brand.
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