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I think everyone has covered everything thing pretty well but also consider what the original cost was $6000 US for the jvc when it was the current model and epson 5050 is $3000 for the current model. Gives you a idea of which one should be better and turns out to be so much better than the epson. I was in the same boat recently and I’m very happy so far with the JVC. BTW that 3900 Canadian price is insane. Like dang I spent so much more.
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3800$ is for the 590r and we are talking about the 790R here. The can$ for the 790r is 4999$ at eastporters.

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Cost, not retail. Cost is what the store is getting them for and their minimum sell price, to not loose money. Retail is markup included for profit... as ya, I know which one we are talking about lol.

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The cost on the JVC is under 3800$ CDN right now. Retail is 4999$ projectors are just like TVs, they have a pretty big markup.
Unless you get into high end TV's, there is very little markup. Hard to make a living, if all you sold was under $2,000 TV's.
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When I made the move from Epson to JVC almost 3 years ago,
The most noticeable improvement for me was Black Level performance.

Native Contrast levels are a world apart in a light/reflection controlled room.

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Yeah but the jvcs now have taken a contrast hit and the epsons have improved.. I don't think the gap is that noticeable anymore. The epson is the bang for buck PJ of 2019.. They actually turn on and work too

Not sure what people are getting in lumens in best mode for either but I'd say the Epson is brighter too.

I'd get the Epson 6050 which has the better lens.. It's as close to the Benq LK 970 and 990 over any other projector I've had in here including the RS2000, Sony 760, Sony 570 and some others which I cant remember. And it's FAR cheaper than all of the others. win win.
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I can post you many shots from 150” screens which look truly amazing. Go on to AVForums.com and look for Brid2005, his 9400 throws up some incredible images on his 146” screen.

Epson TW9400/7400

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I just think some JVC owners might be surprised by the Epson.
Surprised for sure. The Epson punches WELL above it's weight. I've had a whole range of native 4K machines here and the Epson is sharper because it has a superior lens array. Better lens than a sony 760es which is 22 grand here in oz. the epson is like 4.. do the math.

Native contrast goes to jvc, big deal, that's where it ends.
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The Epson is a good projector for the price and a real value over the lower-end DLP's...

Epson contrast is the same as it was in previous years, as far as sharpness it's a toss up on all these projectors, it's luck of the draw for the most part.
Generally speaking, over the years, JVC has been sharper, but again 'luck of the draw'.

The Native contrast of a calibrated Epson is still 1/4th or lower of even the newer entry level JVC (nx5).
The difference in dynamic is even greater if you use the JVC DI.
The contrast difference is however huge between the x790 (RS-540) and Epson.

The Epson is quite a bit brighter in torch mode.
JVC's are brighter based on a true and pure calibration, but the Epson gets close enough and is just a bit harder to calibrate.
JVC's generally handle HDR better and the e-shift is quite a lot better than Epsons due to Epsons pixel grid affects 4k.

LCD and LCOS have a different look about them, most prefer LCOS, but without an A/B comparison the Epson looks great.
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Thanks @coderguy ,

I searched for the last 30 minute and found no evidence of Epson's Native Contrast anywhere close to the JVC's.
So the JVC's entry level X590 is still ~40,000:1 Native Contrast, and is currently the same price as the Epson 5050 in Canada(Eastporters)

This is almost same situation I was in almost 3 years ago,
When the Epson 5040 first came out and I was swayed to JVC X550/RS400, That was actually cheaper in Canada.
(To replace my 8 year old Epson with 13,000 hours on it, and on its 5th replacement lamp)

I ended up with the next JVC model up when Eastporter's offered up the X750/RS500 with a free spare lamp for a killer price.
I came to AVS for opinions and I believe it was @zombie10k that confirmed the X750 would give me
3X the native contrast over the X550/RS400 ...and that my blacked out room would definitely show a dramatic improvement.

JVC Blacks and LCOS will always win out for me,
More lumens have no appeal to me at all, I have a min 12' throw to a 120" 1.3 gain screen and only need low lamp mode.
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I think people are getting a max of around 20k:1 to 30k:1 native on the NX5, so it's a bit lower than spec'd this time, but who knows for sure as it would take reading a lot of contrast measurements to confirm the variance.

The contrast on the Epson can be similar to the JVC for BIG screens if you don't mind using Epson in a slightly off mode (a non-purist calibration).
The reason is when you open up the JVC NX5 manual iris, then the contrast gets lower and closer to the Epson, so brightness matched with the Epson doing less accurate color, it's possible to get near the same contrast.
JVC would likely be only about double in that case (hard to say exactly).

However, those with the smaller screens under 140" should get the much higher contrast levels on the JVC.

I would personally go with the x790 (Rs-540) over the NX5 and NX7, unless you are into 4k gaming.
I'm a contrast freak as well, but the NX9 should get close enough, it's just way too expensive.

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I'm good with my 3 y/o X750/RS500, 120,000:1 Native, 1.2m:1 with DI

I can wait for prices to drop on a Laser based 4K for my next purchase
...even if it takes another 5 years. I tend to get my moneys worth before upgrading.

8 years has been my lucky number for upgrade cycles

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I'm good with my 3 y/o X750/RS500, 120,000:1 Native, 1.2m:1 with DI

I can wait for prices to drop on a Laser based 4K for my next purchase
...even if it takes another 5 years. I tend to get my moneys worth before upgrading.

8 years has been my lucky number for upgrade cycles
Yup, I went crazy about 5-6 years ago buying multiple projectors.
I wished I had just waited and stuck with 1-2 instead, I wasted a lot of money.
It's easy to do in this hobby.

How many projectors did I own, I forget, around 20 or so. I sold and returned them, but I took hits on almost all of them.
I am still using the RS-45, because I don't want to get drawn into the upgrade craze again and drop $20,000+.

I wasted a few thousand just on restocking fees, a few times I actually had to fight for the return.
Lost a lot more selling them.

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The Epson is a good projector for the price and a real value over the lower-end DLP's...

Epson contrast is the same as it was in previous years, as far as sharpness it's a toss up on all these projectors, it's luck of the draw for the most part.
Generally speaking, over the years, JVC has been sharper, but again 'luck of the draw'.

The Native contrast of a calibrated Epson is still 1/4th or lower of even the newer entry level JVC (nx5).
The difference in dynamic is even greater if you use the JVC DI.
The contrast difference is however huge between the x790 (RS-540) and Epson.
And yet in side by side demos between the N5 and TW9400 the contrast difference wasn’t that noticeable, at least that’s the comments coming from those that exactly saw them in these demos. I can’t say is any of these demos were space scenes etc where the JVC’s superior contrast would be most apparent but someone seemed to see a huge contrast improvement with the N5.

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The Epson is quite a bit brighter in torch mode.
JVC's are brighter based on a true and pure calibration, but the Epson gets close enough and is just a bit harder to calibrate.
JVC's generally handle HDR better and the e-shift is quite a lot better than Epsons due to Epsons pixel grid affects 4k.

LCD and LCOS have a different look about them, most prefer LCOS, but without an A/B comparison the Epson looks great.
Oddly on those demos each were calibrated and the those same people felt the Epson had more punch which usually means lumens and as for pixel grid, this again is a muted argument because I need to move to within 20 inches to notice this and this is before you engage e-shift, then the grid all but disappears at even this distance. Funny enough I can’t recall any of the comments mentioning the superior sharpness of the JVC despite it being native.

I’m not here to say the Epson is better only to say that some of the beliefs about their inferiorities are unfounded and overall they get a lot close to either Sony and JVC than the price difference would have you believe.

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If I didn't have a JVC option available for the same price as the 5050 here, and I was looking for a new projector,
I would probably give the 5050 a good look. I see they finally have an 18Gb HDMI chip, how long did that take? 3 years?

Do they have a black case option yet, or do you still have to jump to the "pro" version, let me guess ...6050?
Where they charge an extra $1k for a lamp, mount and an extra year warranty...(my 1080UB was the same 12 years ago)

I prefer to demo in person rather than rely on others "opinions" on what looks better.
Most of my friends prefer a big LCD TV in torch mode over an OLED with infinite blacks.
...their TV must be better because it's brighter and cost less than half of the OLED, right?

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If I didn't have a JVC option available for the same price as the 5050 here, and I was looking for a new projector,
I would probably give the 5050 a good look. I see they finally have an 18Gb HDMI chip, how long did that take? 3 years?

Do they have a black case option yet, or do you still have to jump to the "pro" version, let me guess ...6050?
Where they charge an extra $2k for a lamp, mount and an extra year warranty...(my 1080UB was the same 12 years ago)

I prefer to demo in person rather than rely on others "opinions" on what looks better.
Most of my friends prefer a big LCD TV in torch mode over an OLED with infinite blacks.
...their TV must be better because it's brighter and cost less than half of the OLED, right?
Yeah it’s a weird way Epson sell the projectors in the US/Canada where colour isn’t available on the same model. I agree that always get a demo yourself where possible but by the same token don’t dismiss the comments from others especially when those in question are established members of a forum and are actually JVC owners too.

I don’t believe any of those side by side demos were against the older e-shift model only the N5 so contrast might be more of a noticeable difference with one of them but I’m surprised when I read someone here thought the JVC would be better at handling HDR because from everything I have read and from my own experience the latest 9400 is exceptional in this respect.

I just think it would be foolish not to demo the Epson despite the JVC being so cheap though I’m unfamiliar how good some of the shops in the stateside are at showing a calibrated machine in proper surroundings. Over here where projectors are less mainstream the shops seem to be more specialised and have dedicated rooms and calibrated machines especially the dearer ones.

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And yet in side by side demos between the N5 and TW9400 the contrast difference wasn’t that noticeable, at least that’s the comments coming from those that exactly saw them in these demos. I can’t say is any of these demos were space scenes etc where the JVC’s superior contrast would be most apparent but someone seemed to see a huge contrast improvement with the N5.

Oddly on those demos each were calibrated and the those same people felt the Epson had more punch which usually means lumens and as for pixel grid, this again is a muted argument because I need to move to within 20 inches to notice this and this is before you engage e-shift, then the grid all but disappears at even this distance. Funny enough I can’t recall any of the comments mentioning the superior sharpness of the JVC despite it being native.

I’m not here to say the Epson is better only to say that some of the beliefs about their inferiorities are unfounded and overall they get a lot close to either Sony and JVC than the price difference would have you believe.
The Epson 'calibrated lumens' is controversial. Every review I read gets vastly different results, even with filter engaged or without engaged.
The Epsoin 5050UB does appear slightly brighter.

I don't have enough data, but it should do around 1200 Best Mode Lumens in Low Lamp, but it's a difficult projector to calibrate (most LCD's are).
A near-best mode is around 1800 Lumens, overall it is about the same to a JVC in a near-best mode or a controversial 'supposed best mode'.

However, it has 2500+ useable lumens which blows the JVC out of the water for a 'useable' non-best mode. So for bigger screens, there is no question the Epson is better if someone wants a brighter image. There are drawbacks though, calibration headaches is one of them.

It is possible someone could get a Rec 709 (non-HDR / P3) calibration up to around 1700 - 2000 Lumens, but I just don't know.
I'm going to say 1200 to 1400 lumens is the best mode for now in low lamp, assuming someone is an expert calibrator, otherwise 1000 is probably easier to do.

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The Epson 'calibrated lumens' is controversial. Every review I read gets vastly different results, even with filter engaged or without engaged.
The Epsoin 5050UB does appear slightly brighter.

I don't have enough data, but it should do around 1200 Best Mode Lumens in Low Lamp, but it's a difficult projector to calibrate (most LCD's are).
A near-best mode is around 1800 Lumens, overall it is about the same to a JVC in a near-best mode or a controversial 'supposed best mode'.

However, it has 2500+ useable lumens which blows the JVC out of the water for a 'useable' non-best mode. So for bigger screens, there is no question the Epson is better if someone wants a brighter image. There are drawbacks though, calibration headaches is one of them.

It is possible someone could get a Rec 709 (non-HDR / P3) calibration up to around 1700 - 2000 Lumens, but I just don't know.
I'm going to say 1200 to 1400 lumens is the best mode for now in low lamp, assuming someone is an expert calibrator, otherwise 1000 is probably easier to do.
The guy that calibrated my 9400(6050) is one of the best around, I’ve seen who he calibrates for and some of the clientele who expect the best and get only the best. He calibrated two HDR setups for me, one with the filter (Cinema) and one without (Bright Cinema) to push the lumens much higher, on his original Bright Cinema setup I personally couldn’t have watched it, it was like watching an OLED only instead of a normal sized TV it was a bloody huge one. 10 mins and your eyes would have been streaming so he toned it down a bit, the other mode with the filter is amazing, I’ve yet to watch a UHD disc where I have felt the need to tweak with its HRD slider.

I’m not going to stand here and claim the Epson has the black levels of a JVC, especially not the e-shift models but on everything else it’s ridiculously good and for folk to dismiss it just because it’s an Epson would be mental without actually going and demoing it, preferably side by side something else.

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The guy that calibrated my 9400(6050) is one of the best around, I’ve seen who he calibrates for and some of the clientele who expect the best and get only the best. He calibrated two HDR setups for me, one with the filter (Cinema) and one without (Bright Cinema) to push the lumens much higher, on his original Bright Cinema setup I personally couldn’t have watched it, it was like watching an OLED only instead of a normal sized TV it was a bloody huge one. 10 mins and your eyes would have been streaming so he toned it down a bit, the other mode with the filter is amazing, I’ve yet to watch a UHD disc where I have felt the need to tweak with its HRD slider.

I’m not going to stand here and claim the Epson has the black levels of a JVC, especially not the e-shift models but on everything else it’s ridiculously good and for folk to dismiss it just because it’s an Epson would be mental without actually going and demoing it, preferably side by side something else.
I compared a 5040 at a dealer before, also I owned a 5020 briefly as I calibrated it for a friend and borrowed it, we both had the same screen (HP 2.4), so i started the calibration at my house, then installed it at his and touched it up. Despite what some are claiming, the differences between the 5040 and 5050 are mild other than HDR and 18Gbps stuff. I asked dealers and they all said it looks basically the same as the 5040ub, but slightly brighter.

Most of us have seen and compared multiple variations of these projectors. I have no reason to see the 5050 at a dealer, would need to own it in my home, but I'd come to the same conclusions as I've tried LCD over and over again and always had issues (calibration headaches being one).

I never had a problem with the Epson's black levels compared to say a JVC RS-46 or a JVC NX5, but I'm looking at it from the perspective that the JVC x790 is only about $1000 more right now. Also a lot of it depends on the JVC aperture setting and the throw position.

An older JVC at -15 aperture at farthest throw can clobber the Epson's black levels, I've seen the difference in person.
The Epson can keep up with the DI engaged, but only on certain types of scenes, DI's are always a bit of a hack when they engage on non-blackout scenes.

The bigger problem I have always had with Epsons is the Pixel Fill. It is very visible to me when you A/B it with an LCoS projector.
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I compared a 5040 at a dealer before, also I owned a 5020 briefly as I calibrated it for a friend and borrowed it, we both had the same screen (HP 2.4), so i started the calibration at my house, then installed it at his and touched it up. Despite what some are claiming, the differences between the 5040 and 5050 are mild other than HDR and 18Gbps stuff. I asked dealers and they all said it looks basically the same as the 5040ub, but slightly brighter.

Most of us have seen and compared multiple variations of these projectors. I have no reason to see the 5050 at a dealer, would need to own it in my home, but I'd come to the same conclusions as I've tried LCD over and over again and always had issues (calibration headaches being one).

I never had a problem with the Epson's black levels compared to say a JVC RS-46 or a JVC NX5, but I'm looking at it from the perspective that the JVC x790 is only about $1000 more right now. Also a lot of it depends on the JVC aperture setting and the throw position.

An older JVC at -15 aperture at farthest throw can clobber the Epson's black levels, I've seen the difference in person.
The Epson can keep up with the DI engaged, but only on certain types of scenes, DI's are always a bit of a hack when they engage on non-blackout scenes.

The bigger problem I have always had with Epsons is the Pixel Fill. It is very visible to me when you A/B it with an LCoS projector.
If you do NOT A/B it, then it is a different story and not as noticeable.
I came from a Sony HW45es (LCoS) which I still own as a spare so I have both to compare and frankly it’s total twaddle you see the difference from normal viewing distance. To prove this fact I took two identical images one on the Sony and the other the Epson both 1080P no e-shift engaged.




I know which is which but I think you or anyone else would struggle, the Sony had 158hr on the Lamp and reality creation on at approximately 35 and the Epson on 19hr with image enhancement at 2.

P.S. I might add in both images the projectors weren't professionally calibrated, only thing done to either was brightness and contrast adjusted though I did adjust the Lens to -12 on the Epson.

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I assure you that most of us can see a difference in the overall look of the image between LCOS and LCD, and it is due to the pixel fill.
Random screenshots of a dark face that are blurred don't work for this test, we would need to be sitting in your theater to have this discussion, or have a more valid screenshot.

Just about every 'expert' in this forum has noted the difference, you are disagreeing with almost everyone in the forum.

I can almost see the pixel grid even on a 1080p LCOS projector, and it's much much tighter than the LCD grid.
I can even tell the difference between a 1080p DLP and an LCOS projector's pixel grid from my seating distance (though it is very very minor).

You don't see the pixel grid in every scene or see the individual pixels exactly, what you see is a sort of milky effect, and in clouds and bright scenes you see a more pronounced texture.
It's harder to see if the e-shift is engaged for sure, but it's still there slightly.

How far back do you sit?

Most of us are sitting 8' - 12' from 120" to 140" screens...
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100% agreed, a camera is no match for the acuity of the human eye.

I first started posting screenshots almost a dozen years ago that often looked near perfect.
Despite the fact that I could make out the pixel grid from my Epson LCD at my seat.



Love my e-shift JVC with 4K/UHD/HDR content,
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I assure you that most of us can see a difference in the overall look of the image between LCOS and LCD, and it is due to the pixel fill.
Random screenshots of a dark face that are blurred don't work for this test, we would need to be sitting in your theater to have this discussion, or have a more valid screenshot.

Just about every 'expert' in this forum has noted the difference, you are disagreeing with almost everyone in the forum.

I can almost see the pixel grid even on a 1080p LCOS projector, and it's much much tighter than the LCD grid.
I can even tell the difference between a 1080p DLP and an LCOS projector's pixel grid from my seating distance (though it is very very minor).

You don't see the pixel grid in every scene or see the individual pixels exactly, what you see is a sort of milky effect, and in clouds and bright scenes you see a more pronounced texture.
It's harder to see if the e-shift is engaged for sure, but it's still there slightly.

How far back do you sit?

Most of us are sitting 8' - 12' from 120" to 140" screens...
I use to sit about 10’ away from my 100” but I now sit about 8’ 6” away. Did you even bother to look at my post on the first page of this thread where I posted images down less than 2’ away?


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Of course you’ll see the grid if I go down to about 3-4” from the screen that I took these photos but it’s not present at even the most extreme viewing distances that are considerably closer than you are suggesting.

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I just tested this on my 1080p JVC (no e-shift), I can start to make the pixels out from 6' to 7' away on a 100" 16:9 screen, and that is an LCOS projector...
Can I see them clearly (no), but I can see the lack of anti-aliasing the pixel grid causes on the menu text.

From 3 to 4' away I can start to easily see the individual pixels on plain menu text, with an Epson it's about twice that distance if I recall.
It would still be hard to see them on moving images though.

We're not saying you always can see every individual pixel or the pixel grid itself, we are saying it causes some artifacts compared to an LCOS projector causing a rougher image.

I use 106" 16:9 and 120" 2.35, those are my sizes. I sit about 8' to 10' away, varies with reclining position and exact location of chair.

I have no idea why you have to get within 3 inches of your screen to see the pixels, maybe it is your screen type?
Also look at plain white text, and then it's easier to see the grid.

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I just tested this on my 1080p JVC (no e-shift), I can start to make the pixels out from 6' to 7' away on a 100" 16:9 screen, and that is an LCOS projector...
Can I see them clearly (no), but I can see the lack of anti-aliasing the pixel grid causes on the menu text.

From 3 to 4' away I can start to easily see the individual pixels on plain menu text, with an Epson it's about twice that distance if I recall.
It would still be hard to see them on moving images though.

We're not saying you always can see every individual pixel or the pixel grid itself, we are saying it causes some artifacts compared to an LCOS projector causing a rougher image.

I use 106" 16:9 and 120" 2.35, those are my sizes. I sit about 8' to 10' away, varies with reclining position and exact location of chair.

I have no idea why you have to get within 3 inches of your screen to see the pixels, maybe it is your screen type?
Also look at plain white text, and then it's easier to see the grid.
I’ve checked and and re-checked for your distances and I can’t see any of your claims but even if I could why on earth would I be worried about see this on plain text when it’s a movie I bought the bloody thing for. Like I said I have a LCoS machine sitting beside me here and the difference you are claiming between the two systems isn’t there at remotely normal viewing distances.

So let’s end this by agreeing to disagree on this subject.

I will one day make to switch to a Native 4K but until they represent value for money I will hold station, at any rate The among of issues JVC are having with their current range I think it would be prudent to avoid these until this problems are sorted. Funny enough the guy who calibrated mine said the JVC e-shifts have their own range of issues with regards to picture quality saying JVC are using software to try and counter these quirks. What he was saying went over my head but I got the impression that each brand have their own failings and it’s up to the individual to accept which is least of an issue to them. For him the best overall PJ was the 10500 despite the JVCs having superior black levels.

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OK, we can agree to disagree, but I'm not making it up, I can see the pixels from 4' away like super easy on an LCOS, and an LCD is much more defined (so even farther).
The reason it matters is because of clouds and other white images, hockey whatever.

Beyond that, LCD produces a different look overall even to just normal scenes that are not clouds or white.

It's not the end of the world, it bothers some more than other people, but it bothered me A LOT...

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OK, we can agree to disagree, but I'm not making it up, I can see the pixels from 4' away like super easy on an LCOS, and an LCD is much more defined (so even farther).
The reason it matters is because of clouds and other white images, hockey whatever.

Beyond that, LCD produces a different look overall even to just normal scenes that are not clouds or white.

It's not the end of the world, it bothers some more than other people, but it bothered me A LOT...
So what's your next move if you can even see it on your JVC?

Also I'm curious as to the screen you are using, I was going to change to a grey but Gordon advised against it or any form of Contrast enhancing screens. I must say he hooked on a Lumagen on to my setup and boy what a job it does, I'd quicker buy one of those than change the projector.

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Well I have a 1080p JVC, not a 4k one.
I have different screens, depends which ones I have mounted at a given time.
Right now I am using a Draper Electric 1.0 gain white matte and a 2.35 made from blackout cloth flush on the wall.
Both the screens look about the same from seating distance, the BO cloth has slightly less gain and is probably 0.90 or something gain, but the difference is not really visible.
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Here is the bottom line. If you have a dedicated room with no ambient light and at least dark ceilings and walls the JVC will look much better when playing both SDR and HDR movies. In any environment, the Epson will produce amazing reference quality bright 3D with no flicker. It is also far superior for gaming use due to its very low input lag. If you don't have a dedicated space, get the Epson. If you do have such a space and care mostly about 2D movies and TV get the JVC. If you care mostly about games and 3D get the Epson. If you care about all these things and have a dedicated space, I would get them both. I personally am buying a 5050 just for gaming.
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Here is the bottom line. If you have a dedicated room with no ambient light and at least dark ceilings and walls the JVC will look much better when playing both SDR and HDR movies. In any environment, the Epson will produce amazing reference quality bright 3D with no flicker. It is also far superior for gaming use due to its very low input lag. If you don't have a dedicated space, get the Epson. If you do have such a space and care mostly about 2D movies and TV get the JVC. If you care mostly about games and 3D get the Epson. If you care about all these things and have a dedicated space, I would get them both. I personally am buying a 5050 just for gaming.
Also, if you have a dedicated room with a huge screen, get the Epson. It is even brighter than the specs. And not by a little.
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Jvc just win out for me every time I see one.
I do not have a dark room or ambient light removal to speak of, but I don't let that stop me from enjoying the jvc at night.
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Here is the bottom line. If you have a dedicated room with no ambient light and at least dark ceilings and walls the JVC will look much better when playing both SDR and HDR movies. In any environment, the Epson will produce amazing reference quality bright 3D with no flicker. It is also far superior for gaming use due to its very low input lag. If you don't have a dedicated space, get the Epson. If you do have such a space and care mostly about 2D movies and TV get the JVC. If you care mostly about games and 3D get the Epson. If you care about all these things and have a dedicated space, I would get them both. I personally am buying a 5050 just for gaming.
A higher contrast projector always has higher contrast in any room. But the worse the room is, the smaller the gap between the two, because the room, not the projector is the limiting factor. As for gaming lag, the two are so close that you will not be able to tell a difference. Calibrated brightness between the two is very close. The Epson is definitely brighter in dynamic mode, though the image is so far off, few use that mode.
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