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I am at a cross-roads....I currently have a 5040ub....looking at this forum it appears the 6050 is not a "native 4k"? I like the price point but should I pay the 4k for the 6050? or save a coupe of months more and buy a true JVC NX-5 "native 4k"??? Would love honest feedback?
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I wish Epson would sell the consumer models 5040 & 5050 in black cases. I’ve been stuck paying more for the pro with the extras that I don’t really need.
Me too. A white projector would look really ugly in my theater.
Ya white definitely isn’t a option for me either.
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They make vinyl skins for laptops, phones and such. They should make them for projectors.

I just don't get how Epson includes 4k and UHD in their product name or the whole 4k enhanced thing. Enhanced should be a better version of the term it's describing. So 4k enhanced should actually be better than 4k not worse. But I highly doubt a "1080 Enhanced" moniker would sell as well. They're just not honest at all outside of their little tiny footnote that says it doubles HD resolution.

And not that I wouldn't buy one if it fit my room. The lying aspect just really irks me. If you're not going to throw the right amoint of pixels, then call it what it is, a 2160p or 1080 Enhanced projector. The quality of the pic it throws is irrelevant.

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They make vinyl skins for laptops, phones and such. They should make them for projectors.

I just don't get how Epson includes 4k and UHD in their product name or the whole 4k enhanced thing. Enhanced should be a better version of the term it's describing. So 4k enhanced should actually be better than 4k not worse. But I highly doubt a "1080 Enhanced" moniker would sell as well. They're just not honest at all outside of their little tiny footnote that says it doubles HD resolution.

And not that I wouldn't buy one if it fit my room. The lying aspect just really irks me. If you're not going to throw the right amoint of pixels, then call it what it is, a 2160p or 1080 Enhanced projector. The quality of the pic it throws is irrelevant.

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Very good point. I’ve never thought of it that way. But you aren’t wrong.
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I am at a cross-roads....I currently have a 5040ub....looking at this forum it appears the 6050 is not a "native 4k"? I like the price point but should I pay the 4k for the 6050? or save a coupe of months more and buy a true JVC NX-5 "native 4k"??? Would love honest feedback?
Having seen the RS1000, it's hard to beat.
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I am at a cross-roads....I currently have a 5040ub....looking at this forum it appears the 6050 is not a "native 4k"? I like the price point but should I pay the 4k for the 6050? or save a coupe of months more and buy a true JVC NX-5 "native 4k"??? Would love honest feedback?
I would absolutely save the money and buy the JVC. You'll get much better contrast, sharpness, and lamp stability for starters.
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Must admit I was a little disappointed to see what was new about this when the headline was "epson officially unveils pro cinema 6050ub pro uhd projector"

Was hoping for something more in the LS10X00 path with a long lasting laser source, full fade to black, reflecting LCD panels and maybe a native 4K etc.....

It is nice to see Epson delivers some upgrades and some evolution is happening for that LCD projector technology, with better HDR and in that price range etc...
But today when rather big flat screens is competing more and more with home cinema projectors, and Sony and JVC delivers very nice native 4K projector models, I think it is a little sad to see Epson's "pro cinema 6050ub pro uhd", if it stops there and there is no laser and 4K models to choose from....
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I am at a cross-roads....I currently have a 5040ub....looking at this forum it appears the 6050 is not a "native 4k"? I like the price point but should I pay the 4k for the 6050? or save a coupe of months more and buy a true JVC NX-5 "native 4k"??? Would love honest feedback?
You should look at BenQ HT5550 it's a DLP projector .
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Anyone considering the 6050 should absolutely consider the Sony VPL-VW295ES- True 4K, SXRD, and superior in every way.
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Anyone considering the 6050 should absolutely consider the Sony VPL-VW295ES- True 4K, SXRD, and superior in every way.


Except there’s an ongoing debate about the reliability of SXRD panels.


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Anyone considering the 6050 should absolutely consider the Sony VPL-VW295ES- True 4K, SXRD, and superior in every way.

Lens memory?
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Personally, I'd give up lens memory in exchange for the superiority of SXRD over LCD without hesitation, but I'm sure some would disagree.
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Ongoing debate? What debate? Where? How credible are the parties debating? The existence of a debate doesn't validate the merits of it. My SXRD is over a decade old and still better than anything I'm seeing these days, short of the 4K ones from JVC and Sony.
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Ongoing debate? What debate? Where? How credible are the parties debating? The existence of a debate doesn't validate the merits of it. My SXRD is over a decade old and still better than anything I'm seeing these days, short of the 4K ones from JVC and Sony.
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Anyway, if I were going to recommend an alternative to this Epson 6050UB, it would still be the JVC X790R. But this is out of the point of this thread.
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I am at a cross-roads....I currently have a 5040ub....looking at this forum it appears the 6050 is not a "native 4k"? I like the price point but should I pay the 4k for the 6050? or save a coupe of months more and buy a true JVC NX-5 "native 4k"??? Would love honest feedback?
I'm sure there's some here that can convince themselves that the picture is significantly superior with Native 4K to justify the price but quite a few members on the AVForums website has seen side by side demos between the TW9400 and the NX5 and all said the difference wasn't there to justify the price, in fact one person who had the NX5 on order cancelled his and switched to a LS10500.

I think you really need to look at a side by side demo between the 6050 and whatever else you are considering before jump at any new PJ.

One thing I do know is that a Lumagen added to your 5040 would probably outclass all the above.

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Ongoing debate? What debate? Where? How credible are the parties debating? The existence of a debate doesn't validate the merits of it. My SXRD is over a decade old and still better than anything I'm seeing these days, short of the 4K ones from JVC and Sony.
I still have a Sony HW45es as a backup if needed and have compared it with the Epson to see if with 1080P source material it's superior because like you I think very highly of the Sony and the truth is you can't tell them apart, well apart from a bit better contrast and black levels with the Epson.




Ones the Sony the other the Epson, both taken from 10ft away with my iPhone X which looks better?

I might add neither machine were calibrated when these photos were taken.

Give you a clue look at the shirt.

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I still have a Sony HW45es as a backup if needed and have compared it with the Epson to see if with 1080P source material it's superior because like you I think very highly of the Sony and the truth is you can't tell them apart, well apart from a bit better contrast and black levels with the Epson.




Ones the Sony the other the Epson, both taken from 10ft away with my iPhone X which looks better?

I might add neither machine were calibrated when these photos were taken.

Give you a clue look at the shirt.
To me, the top one looks better- more shadow detail, maybe slightly better contrast. Which Epson are you talking about? Is this the 6050? Isn't it supposed to be better? Higher resolution and double the price, isn't it?
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To me, the top one looks better- more shadow detail, maybe slightly better contrast. Which Epson are you talking about? Is this the 6050? Isn't it supposed to be better? Higher resolution and double the price, isn't it?
The TW9400 (UK version) is supposed to be the 6050 as the spec is identical. Oh and btw you are right the top is the Epson.

I can’t speak for prices in the US but here in the UK the price difference between the Sony and Epson is only £800 and with the Epson I got a 5 year warranty.

If you look a bit closer you’ll make out an ear which isn’t present in the Sony image.

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[QUOTE=Luminated67;58153970]The TW9400 (UK version) is supposed to be the 6050 as the spec is identical. Oh and btw you are right the top is the Epson.

I can’t speak for prices in the US but here in the UK the price difference between the Sony and Epson is only £800 and with the Epson I got a 5 year warranty.

If you look a bit closer you’ll make out an ear which isn’t present in the Sony image.[/QUOTE


Yeah, that's what I said- shadow detail. BTW, better shadow detail is usually the result of higher black level. I admit, I'm biased- after having over 10 years of great home theater experience from a Sony projector, I can't bring my self to liking anything else more, but now I find myself forced to forgo Sony, since my next projector will have to be solid state, which means Sony, JVC and Epson are out
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Yeah, that's what I said- shadow detail. BTW, better shadow detail is usually the result of higher black level. I admit, I'm biased- after having over 10 years of great home theater experience from a Sony projector, I can't bring my self to liking anything else more, but now I find myself forced to forgo Sony, since my next projector will have to be solid state, which means Sony, JVC and Epson are out
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I think it’s more likely less black crush, if you look at both images their black level looks similar, base on this to me the Epson has superior contrast. But that opinion hasn’t been based on one image it’s been based on numerous films.

One area the Sony is superior is motion but this only shows up on quick panning across the screen, if it were not the desire to switch to HDR and 4K I’d still be using my Sony cause it’s a cracking machine but the bottom line from someone who has both the Epson is better at everything else.

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They make vinyl skins for laptops, phones and such. They should make them for projectors.

I just don't get how Epson includes 4k and UHD in their product name or the whole 4k enhanced thing. Enhanced should be a better version of the term it's describing. So 4k enhanced should actually be better than 4k not worse. But I highly doubt a "1080 Enhanced" moniker would sell as well. They're just not honest at all outside of their little tiny footnote that says it doubles HD resolution.

And not that I wouldn't buy one if it fit my room. The lying aspect just really irks me. If you're not going to throw the right amoint of pixels, then call it what it is, a 2160p or 1080 Enhanced projector. The quality of the pic it throws is irrelevant.

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Yep I agree, enhanced means better. Is there any oversight on these things? appears not. seems to be a grey area.

It's also because 4K the term has been shoved down our throats with the usual '4 times the resolution of HD'

I don't remember anyone complaining about how dreadful a 2K JVC performed back in the day either. 4K is and was barely even needed, the e-shift machines were good enough. And sometimes you'd have the e-shift off and not even know.
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You should look at BenQ HT5550 it's a DLP projector .
This is probably fine if you don't want to do a scope screen with a powered lens and kens memory, but these are the main reasons I am looking at the JVC and Epson. If you are staying with a 16:9 screen the BenQ would be great if you don't see the rainbow effect.

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This is probably fine if you don't want to do a scope screen with a powered lens and kens memory, but these are the main reasons I am looking at the JVC and Epson. If you are staying with a 16:9 screen the BenQ would be great if you don't see the rainbow effect.
With DLP projectors noticed every time I blinked I could see rainbows at corner of my eyes, very strange .

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Hey guys I was looking at this projector but for my screen I’d like to do a 2.40 aspect ratio. As I understand it, this Epson will only project in 16:9, and to go wider you need an extra anamorphic lens kit. I’m wondering if there is a recommendation for a comparable projector that doesn’t require an additional kit but can project in 2.40. Thanks
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Hey guys I was looking at this projector but for my screen I’d like to do a 2.40 aspect ratio. As I understand it, this Epson will only project in 16:9, and to go wider you need an extra anamorphic lens kit. I’m wondering if there is a recommendation for a comparable projector that doesn’t require an additional kit but can project in 2.40. Thanks


All 16:9 projectors can do 2.40:1. You just zoom the black bars off the screen. You can use an anamorphic lens if you want, but you don’t have to. There are very few native 2.40:1 projectors - and they are expensive.


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Awesome thanks for the quick reply. I was just reading about the zoom functions and apparently it places some restrictions on the projector placement, but otherwise it does the job. So what is a quick way to calculate where I should mount the projector, is there an easy online source? I got my electrical subcontractor putting up lights in the theater tomorrow and I want to stake out a place for the projector....
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Awesome thanks for the quick reply. I was just reading about the zoom functions and apparently it places some restrictions on the projector placement, but otherwise it does the job. So what is a quick way to calculate where I should mount the projector, is there an easy online source? I got my electrical subcontractor putting up lights in the theater tomorrow and I want to stake out a place for the projector....
Well, you would like to have the lens center, near the top of the image, but the 5050/6050 has a lot of lens shift. Way more lens shift than you should use. If you do not use any horizontal shift, you can place the lens center up to 0.45 x height of image, above or below the image. So if you had a 110" diagonal screen in an 9' high room and the image started 20" above the floor. You could set the projector on the floor or mount close to the ceiling or anywhere in between. As I said, the Epson has more shift than you should use.
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