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I ended up with a JVC RS20 and now I regret

Hi everyone. I would like to share my concerns and ask for advice. I had the opportunity to get a JVC RS20 in good condition for less than $400. I thought it was a good deal so I got it. The seller didn’t ship it yet and so potentially I am still in time to cancel the order. I am worried about the CMS issues of this projector and the need to be professional calibrated way more than the RS25 which was actually my target. Do you think the RS20 it is still good for watching movies on 90” screen darkened room? Or should I cancel and wait for a good RS25? I know they are old but still performing well as to 1080p content. I would like you to express your opinions about. Thank you
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I owned an RS-15 which is the very unit thats a notch lower in Contrast/Black floor than the RS-20 - and I do not ever regret having it, and using it since 2015. The RS-15's strength is the ability for the Gamma to be lowered to 2.6 which is the lowest black threshold to be had, yielding in effect a true, native Contrast of around 13,000:1. While the marketing blurb might claimed that the RS-15 and RS-20 goes for 50,000:1, the RS-15 was measured professionally on its Standard Picture mode for 13,000:1 "only" and yet the black level is already staggering and cannot be equaled even by my Marantz 11S2 and Infocus IN83. What more would be the RS-20, which has a qualifiably higher Contrast than the RS-15, its bound to gratify even more a first-time user (for front projection). The essential thing is to get hold of the unit and see its merits. I'm sure you'd see its magic like how I did with the RS-15, and JVC D-ILAs in general....
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Thank you for your reply. My concerns are about the CMS and a correct calibration. I read how tricky is the RS20 CMS and how ‘imperfect’ is its thx mode which is the ‘best’ out of the box. Then I read of the ‘new’ firmware which seems had fixed it. Anyone with some experience/suggestions about that. I really appreciate. Thank you
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It's a very nice projector and it should be amazing on a rather small screen.

I also think you got yourself a rather serious bargain at $400.

My real question in all of this, is why such a tiny screen????
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Tiny screen because I live in Brooklyn in a one bedroom apartment, do you know what I mean? I am from Italy and there I have a 120” screen which I used few years ago with several projectors (JVC Rs40, 46, 48, Sony 500es). Now I was missing a projector experience so I got a pull up floor screen 90” and the RS20 at a good price. I got it for a final price of $350 but I had to buy separately a new original remote that I found at $38. A lot of work I hope it’s worth the time and money. I am also an apprentice calibrator with a i1 display pro colormeter, still studying though
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$350 for a used RS20 is dirty cheap from estate sale. It might not be as bright as the RS4x, but for a tiny Brooklyn apartment, it should be fine. Stop worrying about the small thing. I used to have that model but just upgraded to a faux-4k JVC model.

BTW, a replacement lamp is only about $120, so you are still ahead, including getting a remote. The cheapest RS20 on eBay is about $750. Why worry? GL.
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@jimmyp1974 . RS20 I had was awesome. Wish I still had it for a second room. You maybe suffering slow death by analysis. I can't imagine buying a better projector for $350.00. Enjoy it.
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The RS20(HD750) is a terrific projector, the CMS though fiddley can be effective. There was a firmware upgrade. I have the software if you need it. I have a RS20 with an upgraded light engine from the RS35 series, 110,000:1 iris-15 on off contrast. Quite a number of folks got this upgrade due to a light engine failure. Including Jeff Meier.

I have a RS640 as well, the RS20 keeps up, a step behind in black levels, it's no slouch.

Edit: Agree with dragonbud0. I can understand a larger screen if you seating row/s are wide. Sit at the appropriate ratio and size becomes a non issue in a dark room. One's mind get immersed in next to no time. You have the advantage of reducing the manual iris aperture, thus gaining on/off contrast.

I have a 92" and a 106" screen Dalite High Power, projector runs at -15, maximising contrast. I don't use the DI on the RS640, just manual.

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Many thanks everybody. Well, I placed the order for the RS20 and in his last message the seller said that he would have asked the original owner about potential issues with the projector with the promise of canceling the order in the event of issues. I insisted a lot in order to have a real description of the functionality beyond the fact that it could be turned on. I insisted because I had to return a JVC RS4810 that I had bought a couple of weeks ago. It had a problem with The lens most likely due to the smoke but it was sold as perfect. Anyway, few hours later the seller of the RS20 canceled my order. I don’t know why maybe he had a better deal or he found out some defects. The projector disappeared from eBay too. Now I have the opportunity of a local purchase still for a RS20 still without remote. The owner asks $450 but I’ll try to reduce to $400. The original remote from JVC will cost totally $130! In an another store $90. These are the only two options I found for the RS20 original remote. Should I get a cheap ‘replacement’ for few dollars ? It is ugly and ‘inappropriate’ but if it works maybe for now could be fine. As regards to the lamp, I would return the lamp I had bought for the RS4810 and get the cheaper one for the RS20. I am sorry for this long post but I wanted to share my experience. To summarize: $400/450 the projector plus $90 new original remote plus $120 the new lamp. Do you think is it still a good bargain? Thank you infinitely
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Check that it does not have the dreaded magenta stripe, that will be an expensive fix, almost the cost you are paying for the projector.

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Yes I will check that out. And taking for granted that this unit is magenta strip free, the cost is it still a good deal? I am mostly concerned about the remote
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Yes I will check that out. And taking for granted that this unit is magenta strip free, the cost is it still a good deal? I am mostly concerned about the remote
I use MX500 remotes all through out my house and love them. Most powerful I/R I've ever seen, fully programmable without having to go to a PC to load software, and has remote clone feature so you can get a 2nd and 3rd remote up in about 5 seconds. I have 3 in my theater (one for each main seat location), 3 in my living room, 2 in my gym, 2 in upstairs room, 2 in game room tv and a bunch of unopened spares in case one breaks.

Anyways, if you want an MX500, you can buy one off ebay and I'd be happy to clone my JVC remote programming onto it for you. If you are interested in the details on how to get this going, you can PM me. Here are some on ebay for example you can pick up for under $30.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Universal-R...ss!97123!US!-1
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Yes I will check that out. And taking for granted that this unit is magenta strip free, the cost is it still a good deal? I am mostly concerned about the remote
Seems like you wish to keep it 'Original'.

I have the original remote that came with my HD750(RS20) it is black. Designation RM-MH-2GB



Which I later replaced with the RM-MH9G



You can purchase the original RM-MH-2GB here: If it's still active!

https://www.replacementremotes.com/j...remote-control

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Hi everyone I have an update. I canceled the order for the RS20 because I have found locally a RS25 and I got it! Perfect condition with all original accessories and only 340hrs on original lamp. Basically almost new under every point of you. I can’t tell you the price, you wouldn’t believe it. A very incredible deal! And the picture quality just only in THX mode is fantastic!!!
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Hi everyone. I would like to share my concerns and ask for advice. I had the opportunity to get a JVC RS20 in good condition for less than $400. I thought it was a good deal so I got it. The seller didn’t ship it yet and so potentially I am still in time to cancel the order. I am worried about the CMS issues of this projector and the need to be professional calibrated way more than the RS25 which was actually my target. Do you think the RS20 it is still good for watching movies on 90” screen darkened room? Or should I cancel and wait for a good RS25? I know they are old but still performing well as to 1080p content. I would like you to express your opinions about. Thank you
At this point, you would have been much better off saving more money (if necessary) and getting a more recent JVC (2015+) such as an RS400 if trying to keep costs lower.
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At this point, you would have been much better off saving more money (if necessary) and getting a more recent JVC (2015+) such as an RS400 if trying to keep costs lower.


The OP has mentioned this is for use at a temporary place where he will stay, and that he already owns a X790R where he actually lives. The price he got for the used JVC for the temporary place is still good if compared to what they are selling for online.


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Well I may resell the RS25 and there is an interesting option on a RS4910 but still not as newer as the 400. I am not interested in 4k content at the moment. I wanted a cheap/good option for a temporary experience of a year more or less. Then I’ll go back to Italy where my apartment with 120” screen waits for a 4k set. Should I keep the RS25 that I got at a fantastic price or try to approach the 4910. Four years ago I owned the 4810 and I was pleased with that.
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Exactly the price I paid for the almost brand new RS25 is extremely low. And it delivers a stunning 1080p picture quality
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Unless you would suggest that the RS4910 is better (much) better than the RS25 as regards to 1080p content
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At this point, you would have been much better off saving more money (if necessary) and getting a more recent JVC (2015+) such as an RS400 if trying to keep costs lower.

I have the distinct feeling that jimmy saved enough dough on this deal to make waiting for...and spending a couple 2-3$K additional a pretty crazy thing to consider.

Even the older model RS25 was and still is an excellent PJ...and servicing a 90" Screen...?

If he can set that old Gurl at 11' throw, even those lowly 900 lumen will give him th potential of having 25 fl on a unity gain Screen....20 flon a 0.8 gain ALR Grey.

Sorry...nope....can't agree in the slightest. I'll venture this as well....there are pleanty of Members who would jump on that deal like a Big Dog on a Greasy Bone.


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Unless you would suggest that the RS4910 is better (much) better than the RS25 as regards to 1080p content

Still second guessin' this? Don't!
With the 25's specs and a 90" screen you would never be able to tell let alone appreciate the difference in a Dark Room setting.
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Haha thank you Mississippi, actually the pj is placed at 10 feet from the screen. In fact last night when I first checked my ‘new’ RS25 I set its aperture at -14 with 340 hours on lamp and there was a beautifully bright image with an amazing contrast. So should I keep it? 🙂
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Lovely projector for 1080p, no shift element in the way! Happy Viewing!

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I would like to know your opinions about a potential comparison/competition between the RS25 and the newer generations let’s say from 2012 and on (RS46/8 /49 and on ) as too 1080p pure content. Thank you in advance
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I would like to know your opinions about a potential comparison/competition between the RS25 and the newer generations let’s say from 2012 and on (RS46/8 /49 and on ) as too 1080p pure content. Thank you in advance

You want better....? Snag a used x790r or RS540. They pretty much delegate the older models to the Kid's Playroom.


Frankly, even though getting a RS25 or similar JVC for under $500 is still an excellent value...especially performance-wise, the difference in both Lumen output and Native Contrast between the older models and the 2012-on units is crazy significant, and well worth the difference in price on the used market.

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Thank you. As I already told you my intention is to enjoy a ‘good’ cheap projector for maybe a year with a limited budget and set. Only 90” screen and 10feet lens Throw. I don’t need a lot of light, actually I enjoyed for two months a JVC HD100 which once calibrated delivered a nice looking image. I spent 6 hours to calibrate my new RS25 and the outcome is really really good. Of course if I spend 3-4 thousands dollars even in the second hand market I could get better results but I cannot do it now. Once back to Italy then I will have much more fun in getting some newer 4k native projector. This is my plan, hopefully. Ps. I had bought a RS4810 and after two days I had to return it due to a problem with the matrix: it displayed a sort of rhombus/diamond in the middle of the screen when there was a white object or written on black/dark background. For instance the A of DILA when turning on the projector was affected by that annoying rhombus. Very annoying. But besides that the projector had an incredible focus and sharp image sustained by an intense vibrant light due to the new lamps 230 watts. They make an evident difference with the older models and 200watts lamps
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A noticeable increase in brightness will give lamps 250 and 265W only. All the rest, from 200 to 230 are about equally bright. Moreover, TOP models are even darker than their cheaper brothers because of the second aperture.
I now have an HD950 near X70, and on the first Philips projector, on the second Ushio at 230W (the original is 220, but 230 fits, there is no difference in brightness). The brightness at 950 get more. The screen is still the same at 135 ", white matte.
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Hi slonopot we have the same projector HD950/RS25. Yes the 200 watts lamps and the 230 ones are pretty similar in term of ‘quantity’ of brightness but there is a difference in the ‘intensity’ I would say. The 230 seem like clearer with a pop on dark scenes with bright objects. Like the lamp light tends to emphasize the highlights while the previous lamps look a little flatter from this point of view. At least according to my experience. As regards to the HD950/RS25 do you use the THX preset or did you calibrate it adjusting other presets? Thank you!
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I am almost sure that replacing the ballast + lamp from 400-640 models, i.e. make the lamp work at 250W, we can get acceptable brightness on the old X series with lamps 220-230W. The power supplies of all X series are almost identical, but the ballasts are different. Therefore, you need to change the ballast and put the 15th lamp. Of course, it is expensive and does not make much practical sense, but it is really trying to do it, for enthusiasts.

Hello! I do not use THX. There is one solid "soap", and the colors are not very good, worse than the 35th / HD990. I have already said that I took the color temperature settings around here, in the corresponding branch. Where exactly I do not remember. In addition to the temperature set gamma 2.3 and added sharpness with the details. More touched nothing.
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Now a million dollars question: I have received a proposal to buy a HD990 for less than $600. Should I sell the RS25 that I bought a week ago and jump on the HD990?. Or I can keep it since I paid very little in excellent condition with the original lamp at 349hours?
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