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Sub-$10k projector for this new theater

I have budgeted $10k for a projector for a basement, dedicated HT in our new house build underway. My short list:

Sony vw695es
JVC rs2000 / nx7
BenQ HT9060

1. The room will be 16’ wide by 20’ long. 2 rows of seating.

2. Screen: Seymour Screen Excellence new TRIM series (“less expensive” motorized masking 16:9 / 2.40). AT screen (either Enlightor Bright or Enlightor Neo - gain 1.1 and 1.0 respectively). Not sure on size yet - either 110”, 114” or 126” diagonal. Size suggestion for this setup ?

3. Use case : 50% movies (Apple TV 4K and probably Kaleidoscope at some point), 30% 1080p broadcast/TV, 20% gaming (PC and Xbox One).

All these projectors are +\- $2k. So if you take price out of the equation , which would you recommend and why ?

The Sony was my favorite as it has the best video processing (upscale, motion), response time for gaming, and blacks, but it lacks on color space and brightness compared to the others. Thoughts ?



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I have budgeted $10k for a projector for a basement, dedicated HT in our new house build underway. My short list:

Sony vw695es
JVC rs2000 / nx7
BenQ HT9060

1. The room will be 16’ wide by 20’ long. 2 rows of seating.

2. Screen: Seymour Screen Excellence new TRIM series (“less expensive” motorized masking 16:9 / 2.40). AT screen (either Enlightor Bright or Enlightor Neo - gain 1.1 and 1.0 respectively). Not sure on size yet - either 110”, 114” or 126” diagonal. Size suggestion for this setup ?

3. Use case : 50% movies (Apple TV 4K and probably Kaleidoscope at some point), 30% 1080p broadcast/TV, 20% gaming (PC and Xbox One).

All these projectors are +\- $2k. So if you take price out of the equation , which would you recommend and why ?

The Sony was my favorite as it has the best video processing (upscale, motion), response time for gaming, and blacks, but it lacks on color space and brightness compared to the others. Thoughts ?



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They all have good reviews and they're all known for throwing a good picture. If possible, you should try to have a demo of all 3 and pick the one you like the most.
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I have budgeted $10k for a projector for a basement, dedicated HT in our new house build underway. My short list:

Sony vw695es
JVC rs2000 / nx7
BenQ HT9060

1. The room will be 16’ wide by 20’ long. 2 rows of seating.

2. Screen: Seymour Screen Excellence new TRIM series (“less expensive” motorized masking 16:9 / 2.40). AT screen (either Enlightor Bright or Enlightor Neo - gain 1.1 and 1.0 respectively). Not sure on size yet - either 110”, 114” or 126” diagonal. Size suggestion for this setup ?

3. Use case : 50% movies (Apple TV 4K and probably Kaleidoscope at some point), 30% 1080p broadcast/TV, 20% gaming (PC and Xbox One).

All these projectors are +\- $2k. So if you take price out of the equation , which would you recommend and why ?

The Sony was my favorite as it has the best video processing (upscale, motion), response time for gaming, and blacks, but it lacks on color space and brightness compared to the others. Thoughts ?



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I'd rank them:

1) JVC NX7
2) BenQ 9060
3) Sony 695ES.

The JVC NX7 either equals or beats out the 695ES in all ways except upscaling. Blacks are best on JVC by far between all these. JVC outperforms the sony for a lot lower cost.

If you're not going for blacks on the JVC may as well get an HT9060 with its extra sharpness and led light source. Plus you can get some pretty good prices on these from benqdirect. I think there were two 695ES owners that sold off their 695ES to go with the HT9060 in the HT9060 owners thread.

Read the comparison and owners threads on each.
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I have budgeted $10k for a projector for a basement, dedicated HT in our new house build underway. My short list:

Sony vw695es
JVC rs2000 / nx7
BenQ HT9060

1. The room will be 16’ wide by 20’ long. 2 rows of seating.

2. Screen: Seymour Screen Excellence new TRIM series (“less expensive” motorized masking 16:9 / 2.40). AT screen (either Enlightor Bright or Enlightor Neo - gain 1.1 and 1.0 respectively). Not sure on size yet - either 110”, 114” or 126” diagonal. Size suggestion for this setup ?

3. Use case : 50% movies (Apple TV 4K and probably Kaleidoscope at some point), 30% 1080p broadcast/TV, 20% gaming (PC and Xbox One).

All these projectors are +\- $2k. So if you take price out of the equation , which would you recommend and why ?

The Sony was my favorite as it has the best video processing (upscale, motion), response time for gaming, and blacks, but it lacks on color space and brightness compared to the others. Thoughts ?



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I'd rank them:



1) JVC NX7

2) BenQ 9060

3) Sony 695ES.



The JVC NX7 either equals or beats out the 695ES in all ways except upscaling. Blacks are best on JVC by far between all these. JVC outperforms the sony for a lot lower cost.



If you're not going for blacks on the JVC may as well get an HT9060 with its extra sharpness and led light source. Plus you can get some pretty good prices on these from benqdirect. I think there were two 695ES owners that sold off their 695ES to go with the HT9060 in the HT9060 owners thread.



Read the comparison and owners threads on each.


How do the 3 units compare on input lag for gaming ? I haven’t seen this on the comparison shoot outs.


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How do the 3 units compare on input lag for gaming ? I haven’t seen this on the comparison shoot outs.


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Sony has the lowest lag, but the JVC is so close, that it really does not matter. The XPR DLP has much higher lag.
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Even though I have the Sony 695ES, if I was buying these new/retail, the NX7 would be my choice based on research and what others have said on the forums. I bought my 695ES used and got a great price on it, so it was worth it for me to go with the Sony, and I have been pretty happy with it so far. I think the only knock on the 695ES that I have seen is a bit of gradation in some images and maybe not quite as good of a tone mapping algorithm as the JVC (though I do have the Panasonic UB820, which is very good at tone mapping). The brightness is good for my space, the colors pop and the sharpness is great with the reality creation processing.
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I have budgeted $10k for a projector for a basement, dedicated HT in our new house build underway. My short list:

Sony vw695es
JVC rs2000 / nx7
BenQ HT9060

1. The room will be 16’ wide by 20’ long. 2 rows of seating.

2. Screen: Seymour Screen Excellence new TRIM series (“less expensive” motorized masking 16:9 / 2.40). AT screen (either Enlightor Bright or Enlightor Neo - gain 1.1 and 1.0 respectively). Not sure on size yet - either 110”, 114” or 126” diagonal. Size suggestion for this setup ?

3. Use case : 50% movies (Apple TV 4K and probably Kaleidoscope at some point), 30% 1080p broadcast/TV, 20% gaming (PC and Xbox One).

All these projectors are +\- $2k. So if you take price out of the equation , which would you recommend and why ?

The Sony was my favorite as it has the best video processing (upscale, motion), response time for gaming, and blacks, but it lacks on color space and brightness compared to the others. Thoughts ?



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I find a 143in 4K image is too small viewed at 12ft. If you have room for ~160in I'd suggest doing so and bigger if possible. 126in is tiny in a 16 x 20ft theatre.

Solid state lamps have many advantages and the HT9060 seems to maintain nearly full output when in wide colour gamut mode (DCI-P3) where most lamp based unit take a real hit to display DCI-P3.
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I find a 143in 4K image is too small viewed at 12ft. If you have room for ~160in I'd suggest doing so and bigger if possible. 126in is tiny in a 16 x 20ft theatre.

Solid state lamps have many advantages and the HT9060 seems to maintain nearly full output when in wide colour gamut mode (DCI-P3) where most lamp based unit take a real hit to display DCI-P3.
The HT9060 has about 1,600 lumens calibrated. It still loses 5% to 10% brightness when showing BT2020. Let's assume only 5% (I think 10% is probably closer to reality). That leaves you with 1,520 lumens. The two screens he is looking at are listed with 1.0 and 0.8 gain. A 143" diagonal screen, with projector at shortest throw will give you, 25FL on a 1.0 screen and 20FL on the 0.8 gain screen. The HT9060 is not bright enough on the Neo fabric (0.8 gain) and only borderline bright enough on the Enlightor Bright fabric. At 160" diagonal he would have 20FL on the 1.0 gain and 16FL on the 0.8 gain fabric.
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The HT9060 has about 1,600 lumens calibrated. It still loses 5% to 10% brightness when showing BT2020. Let's assume only 5% (I think 10% is probably closer to reality). That leaves you with 1,520 lumens. The two screens he is looking at are listed with 1.0 and 0.8 gain. A 143" diagonal screen, with projector at shortest throw will give you, 25FL on a 1.0 screen and 20FL on the 0.8 gain screen. The HT9060 is not bright enough on the Neo fabric (0.8 gain) and only borderline bright enough on the Enlightor Bright fabric. At 160" diagonal he would have 20FL on the 1.0 gain and 16FL on the 0.8 gain fabric.
The HT9060 has a light source that can display DCI-P3 without a WCG filter, unlike the other two projectors mentioned by the OP. It's hard to believe that the HT9060 would take any appreciable hit when displaying DCI-P3 content. The only published review of the HT9060 doesn't note any loss of output with DCI-P3. 20FL is still quite bright.


2ndly the Helmholtz-Kohlrausch effect raises the perceived brightness of LED light when the colours are fully saturated.
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The HT9060 has about 1,600 lumens calibrated. It still loses 5% to 10% brightness when showing BT2020. Let's assume only 5% (I think 10% is probably closer to reality). That leaves you with 1,520 lumens. The two screens he is looking at are listed with 1.0 and 0.8 gain. A 143" diagonal screen, with projector at shortest throw will give you, 25FL on a 1.0 screen and 20FL on the 0.8 gain screen. The HT9060 is not bright enough on the Neo fabric (0.8 gain) and only borderline bright enough on the Enlightor Bright fabric. At 160" diagonal he would have 20FL on the 1.0 gain and 16FL on the 0.8 gain fabric.
Your numbers are low and you are neglecting to mention the HK effect, lack of significant lumens loss from p3 filter, and lack of HLD LED lumens loss over time unlike lamp projectors
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I have budgeted $10k for a projector for a basement, dedicated HT in our new house build underway. My short list:

Sony vw695es
JVC rs2000 / nx7
BenQ HT9060

1. The room will be 16’ wide by 20’ long. 2 rows of seating.

2. Screen: Seymour Screen Excellence new TRIM series (“less expensive” motorized masking 16:9 / 2.40). AT screen (either Enlightor Bright or Enlightor Neo - gain 1.1 and 1.0 respectively). Not sure on size yet - either 110”, 114” or 126” diagonal. Size suggestion for this setup ?

3. Use case : 50% movies (Apple TV 4K and probably Kaleidoscope at some point), 30% 1080p broadcast/TV, 20% gaming (PC and Xbox One).

All these projectors are +\- $2k. So if you take price out of the equation , which would you recommend and why ?

The Sony was my favorite as it has the best video processing (upscale, motion), response time for gaming, and blacks, but it lacks on color space and brightness compared to the others. Thoughts ?



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BenQ HT9060 will be the brightest in dcip3 over extended period of time (20000hr) and give you a big HDR pop- 1700+ lumens calibrated in dcip3 mode,.min zoom per our owners here on avsforum. It uses HLD LED lightsource while other choices use outdated lamp lightsource that will dim and then die long before HLD LED even loses 5% of brightness. You also get additional brightness perception from LEDs due to HK effect. Plus other lamp projectors need to use p3 filter that takes big brightness hit unlike ht9060.

BenQ ht9060 would be my selection of the three, the other two seem to have a poor value proposition due to their antiquated lightsource tech . Maybe next year we will see more competitive offerings from JVC and Sony.
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For gaming, I'd suggest using a truly low lag dedicated gaming projector, in addition to the cinema projector, such as the Optoma HD27HDR. Viewsonic is now releasing the LS700-4K laser projector which has been stated to have very low lag in gaming mode, but no test results have been published AFAIK.
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The HT9060 has a light source that can display DCI-P3 without a WCG filter, unlike the other two projectors mentioned by the OP. It's hard to believe that the HT9060 would take any appreciable hit when displaying DCI-P3 content. The only published review of the HT9060 doesn't note any loss of output with DCI-P3. 20FL is still quite bright.


2ndly the Helmholtz-Kohlrausch effect raises the perceived brightness of LED light when the colours are fully saturated.
That review does not mention a lot of things. When you calibrate HDR mode, you lose brightness with the HT9060, per a reviewer I trust. You lose almost the same percentage as you do with an RS2000. Note I was using the manufacturers gain spec, which I think is a little high and the projector at minimum throw. The BenQ would do better than either the Sony or JVC, brightness wise until it got too dim. None of these projectors would be my recommendation for a 0.8 gain screen at 143" or larger size. The BenQ is rated at 20,000 hours, we do not know if that is using high or eco. Projector Central lists it for eco mode, but if we assume it is high, then we have.

1,600 hours calibrated new
20,000 hours 800 calibrated lumens
10,000 hours 1,200 calibrated lumens
5,000 hours 1,400 calibrated lumens
2,500 hours 1,500 calibrated lumens

These are numbers without counting any loss for HDR mode. 1,400 lumens on a 143" 0.8 gain screen is 18.4FL. That is not enough brightness for HDR, even with good tone mapping. 1,500 lumens gets you 19.75FL, still not enough brightness for good HDR. You might get better numbers than this, but you also might get worse. I am just using the manufacturers spec on light loss and assuming best case scenario. Remember, I did not allow any lumen loss for HDR and this is for shortest throw. The RS2000 might only work for 500 hours, so it is not an option for that size and gain screen either. Though you could buy a new lamp and get your brightness back, but a new lamp every 500 hours would be ridiculously expensive. The Sony would be just as bad, if not worse.
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The HT9060 has a light source that can display DCI-P3 without a WCG filter, unlike the other two projectors mentioned by the OP.
The NX7/RS2000 has P3 mode that does not use the filter and hits around 90% coverage.

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Your numbers are low and you are neglecting to mention the HK effect, lack of significant lumens loss from p3 filter, and lack of HLD LED lumens loss over time unlike lamp projectors
I do not think my numbers are low and I only used 5% loss for calibrated HDR mode. Lamps, LED and laser, all lose brightness. Lamps just lose brightness much faster. The manufacture even lists the LED life at 20,000 with this footnote: " Lamp life results will vary depending on environmental conditions and usage."
So 20,000 hours could mean zero lumens after 20,000 hours, 20,000 hours is half life in high, 20,0000 is half life in eco or 20,000 hours before it begins to fade. We can be pretty sure the first one would be a wrong assumption, just like we can be pretty certain the last one would be a wrong assumption. That leaves half life, which is what is standardly used in the industry. So best case would be 20,000 hours using high. In another post I ran the numbers with no loss for HDR, they still do not look good for a 143" screen with 0.8 gain.
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BenQ ht9060 would be my selection of the three, the other two seem to have a poor value proposition due to their antiquated lightsource tech . Maybe next year we will see more competitive offerings from JVC and Sony.
All depends on your priorities. If you are fixated on a longer lasting light source and that is a priority, sure. Overall picture quality wise, either is more than competitive right now depending on what you value.

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BenQ HT9060 will be the brightest in dcip3 over extended period of time (20000hr) and give you a big HDR pop- 1700+ lumens calibrated in dcip3 mode,.min zoom per our owners here on avsforum. It uses HLD LED lightsource while other choices use outdated lamp lightsource that will dim and then die long before HLD LED even loses 5% of brightness. You also get additional brightness perception from LEDs due to HK effect. Plus other lamp projectors need to use p3 filter that takes big brightness hit unlike ht9060.

BenQ ht9060 would be my selection of the three, the other two seem to have a poor value proposition due to their antiquated lightsource tech . Maybe next year we will see more competitive offerings from JVC and Sony.
Are you ignoring his gaming or just figure with it being only 20% of his usage, not important. HT9060 has much higher gaming lag.
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I do not think my numbers are low and I only used 5% loss for calibrated HDR mode. Lamps, LED and laser, all lose brightness. Lamps just lose brightness much faster. The manufacture even lists the LED life at 20,000 with this footnote: " Lamp life results will vary depending on environmental conditions and usage."
So 20,000 hours could mean zero lumens after 20,000 hours, 20,000 hours is half life in high, 20,0000 is half life in eco or 20,000 hours before it begins to fade. We can be pretty sure the first one would be a wrong assumption, just like we can be pretty certain the last one would be a wrong assumption. That leaves half life, which is what is standardly used in the industry. So best case would be 20,000 hours using high. In another post I ran the numbers with no loss for HDR, they still do not look good for a 143" screen with 0.8 gain.
This is untrue. A longterm study was conducted on HLD LED lightsource and HLD LED lost less than 5% brightness over 12,000 hours.

Your numbers are low compared to the several owners who have calibrated and measured the projectors on this very forum.
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This is untrue. A longterm study was conducted on HLD LED lightsource and HLD LED lost less than 5% brightness over 12,000 hours.

Your numbers are low compared to the several owners who have calibrated and measured the projectors on this very forum.
The 20,000 hour number is Benq's spec on the projector. If you think BenQ's spec is wrong, take it up with them, don't just say it is untrue, based on some test that may not correctly apply to the way Benq is using the LED's. You do understand there is a huge difference in continuous use and off on usage? Off on usage is much harder on lamp life. Heck, I have two fans in my house that have run 24 hours a day, seven days a week since March of 1988. If I turned them off and on all the time, I doubt they would have lasted near as long.

Sorry, but I do not get my numbers from consumers using uncalibrated consumer meters. I also do not just use any reviewer out there that I think supports my cause. For example if you wanted to prove that JVC's contrast was much lower than specced, I would use the French projector reviewers work. You can find bogus support for most anything out there. Even ridiculous things like the earth is flat.
https://www.benq.com/en-us/projector...fications.html

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That review does not mention a lot of things. When you calibrate HDR mode, you lose brightness with the HT9060, per a reviewer I trust. You lose almost the same percentage as you do with an RS2000. Note I was using the manufacturers gain spec, which I think is a little high and the projector at minimum throw. The BenQ would do better than either the Sony or JVC, brightness wise until it got too dim. None of these projectors would be my recommendation for a 0.8 gain screen at 143" or larger size. The BenQ is rated at 20,000 hours, we do not know if that is using high or eco. Projector Central lists it for eco mode, but if we assume it is high, then we have.

1,600 hours calibrated new
20,000 hours 800 calibrated lumens
10,000 hours 1,200 calibrated lumens
5,000 hours 1,400 calibrated lumens
2,500 hours 1,500 calibrated lumens

These are numbers without counting any loss for HDR mode. 1,400 lumens on a 143" 0.8 gain screen is 18.4FL. That is not enough brightness for HDR, even with good tone mapping. 1,500 lumens gets you 19.75FL, still not enough brightness for good HDR. You might get better numbers than this, but you also might get worse. I am just using the manufacturers spec on light loss and assuming best case scenario. Remember, I did not allow any lumen loss for HDR and this is for shortest throw. The RS2000 might only work for 500 hours, so it is not an option for that size and gain screen either. Though you could buy a new lamp and get your brightness back, but a new lamp every 500 hours would be ridiculously expensive. The Sony would be just as bad, if not worse.
The stated 20K hours is for the lamp on continuous high mode with Smarteco (dynamic lamp dimming) disabled. As mentioned previously in the thread testing under very demanding test cycles shows less than 5% loss after 12000 (12k) hrs. Since Smarteco is likely to be used, the lamp will only rarely operate continuously at full power and lamp life at ~100% of new lamp brightness, when requested by scene content, is likely to be available for the entire life of the projector.
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The NX7/RS2000 has P3 mode that does not use the filter and hits around 90% coverage.
And to hit full P3 it has to use a filter and then takes a ~10% lumen loss.
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The stated 20K hours is for the lamp on continuous high mode with Smarteco (dynamic lamp dimming) disabled. As mentioned previously in the thread testing under very demanding test cycles shows less than 5% loss after 12000 (12k) hrs. Since Smarteco is likely to be used, the lamp will only rarely operate continuously at full power and lamp life at ~100% of new lamp brightness, when requested by scene content, is likely to be available for the entire life of the projector.
Was that test at continuous use or off on? It makes a huge difference in the outcome.

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And to hit full P3 it has to use a filter and then takes a ~10% lumen loss.
There was no mention of 100% coverage I saw, just that neither has a P3 mode without a filter.

EDIT: According to this review https://hometheaterhifi.com/reviews/...jector-review/ the 9060 doesn't hit 100% either.

"Like its predecessor, the HT9050, the HT9060 supports the DCI-P3 color gamut. In fact, it covers more of it than any other display I’ve reviewed except the VIZIO PQ65-F1 TV. My tests show 93.8% coverage which means Ultra HD content will have the most vivid color possible in a consumer display."

If that is accurate then the NX7 without filter is about identical P3 coverage wise and, of course, has better coverage with it. Personally I use the filter as I find the richer colors worth the slight brightness hit.


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Was that test at continuous use or off on? It makes a huge difference in the outcome.

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"The maintenance of the pump LEDs has been assessed so far up to 12k hrs for 26 individual LEDs under various stress
conditions. Figure 11 shows the results for a high solder temperature of 105˚C, with a drive current of 1.5A at 100% duty
cycle (left graph) and with a peak drive current of 4.0A at 50% duty cycle (right graph). These results show no difference
between pulsed and DC operation. Radiative flux decay is less than 5% at 12khrs even at these highly stressed drive
conditions. We can conclude that the HLD module design is very robust with respect to the LED operating conditions."

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As I noted in another thread the range of output for the tested LEDs was a low of 94% and a high of 102% after 12K hours.
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There was no mention of 100% coverage I saw, just that neither has a P3 mode without a filter.

EDIT: According to this review https://hometheaterhifi.com/reviews/...jector-review/ the 9060 doesn't hit 100% either.

"Like its predecessor, the HT9050, the HT9060 supports the DCI-P3 color gamut. In fact, it covers more of it than any other display I’ve reviewed except the VIZIO PQ65-F1 TV. My tests show 93.8% coverage which means Ultra HD content will have the most vivid color possible in a consumer display."

If that is accurate then the NX7 without filter is about identical P3 coverage wise and, of course, has better coverage with it. Personally I use the filter as I find the richer colors worth the slight brightness hit.

You can't mix and match test results from different reviewers, except in a general way. Different test facilities probably cause some scatter in the results.
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As I noted in another thread the range of output for the tested LEDs was a low of 94% and a high of 102% after 12K hours.
Yup this has already been established.

Trying to claim otherwise is FUD, one could surmise FUD created to cover for other brands having much less advanced and inferior legacy lamp lightsource for the same or more money.

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As I noted in another thread the range of output for the tested LEDs was a low of 94% and a high of 102% after 12K hours.
Okay, so the test was a continuous test. That will give you much better results that turning off and on regularly. Even a regular lamp based projector will dim much slower if left on all the time, but that is not how projectors are used.
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You can't mix and match test results from different reviewers, except in a general way. Different test facilities probably cause some scatter in the results.
Sigh. You made a statement that the competitors mentioned didn't have a P3 mode that didn't involve using a filter. I merely pointed out that one of them did. Then you added a stipulation of 100% coverage which wasn't in the initial statement and implied that the 9060 hit that figure without a filter. The review I linked measured otherwise. Yes other sources will like have other results with minor variances. That's sample and instrumentation variance at work. I'm not implying or stating that the 9060 doesn't have good P3 coverage or is lacking here. In fact the review I linked was quite positive on this aspect. Just trying to clear up some inaccuracies with regards to the NX7.

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Yup this has already been established.

Trying to claim otherwise is FUD, one could surmise FUD created to cover for other brands having much less advanced and inferior legacy lamp lightsource for the same or more money.
Not at all. In the argument, I said the JVC and Sony would be worse. I said you would be lucky to get 500 hours out of the JVC or Sony. Try to keep up, rather than just slander me. The argument was use on a 143" or larger screen, when the customer was thinking of using Screen Excellence NEO, which has a gain spec of 0.8. Actual gain may even be slightly lower than that. For that application, all three suck.

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As for the original poster, I never recommended a projector, because he never answered my questions about the room. So you are wrong there also.
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