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Replacement for Marantz 15-S1 DLP Projector

I am looking to replace my Marantz 15-S1 projector even thou it has provided great service over the years.

I will be going to a larger screen from 110" Diagonal 16 x 9 non AT to an AT - 138" Diagonal 16 x 9 format and sports being the main use. The image will be 57% larger then my 110" screen.

Getting down to two choices... JVC NX7 or BenQ HT 9060.

I like a crisp clean image and smooth natural movement.

Which projector would be better?
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I am looking to replace my Marantz 15-S1 projector even thou it has provided great service over the years.



I will be going to a larger screen from 110" Diagonal 16 x 9 non AT to an AT - 138" Diagonal 16 x 9 format and sports being the main use. The image will be 57% larger then my 110" screen.



Getting down to two choices... JVC NX7 or BenQ HT 9060.



I like a crisp clean image and smooth natural movement.



Which projector would be better?
https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...ojector-review

If the intended purpose is primarily watching sports and gaming I would say you would be satisfied with the 9060. Great optics motion handling and sharpness to the image. If you are primarily watching movies then the NX7 would be better suited. Better implementation of HDR, deeper blacks, much higher contrast and an overall higher end Cinema experience are provided by the NX7 . My concern with either projector would be your larger screen size. Neither projector is a light cannon.

https://hometheaterreview.com/jvc-dl...ctor-reviewed/

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I am looking to replace my Marantz 15-S1 projector even thou it has provided great service over the years.

I will be going to a larger screen from 110" Diagonal 16 x 9 non AT to an AT - 138" Diagonal 16 x 9 format and sports being the main use. The image will be 57% larger then my 110" screen.

Getting down to two choices... JVC NX7 or BenQ HT 9060.

I like a crisp clean image and smooth natural movement.

Which projector would be better?
What sports do you watch?
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What sports do you watch?
Football and Hockey are the two main sports but others also include golf and Basketball at times.

Just concerned about motion
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Football and Hockey are the two main sports but others also include golf and Basketball at times.

Just concerned about motion
Most sports that are aired, even hockey and football, are displayed at 60 frames per second. The HT9060 is very sharp and handles 60 fps well. I have, however, seen some vertical judder on rare occasions, and this is dependent on the content. Also, you would get a drop in contrast from 10K:1 to around 4,500:1 dynamic on the HT9060.

I have not seen the NX7 to compare, but I have seen two NX5s in person, and there's no way I would personally ever choose the NX5 over the the HT9060. But you're talking about sports, so from memory, I would say the NX5's motion looked good. But I believe Mike has seen the NX7, so I'll let him tell you.
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Here's one more afterthought...if you're mainly concerned about motion, why would you consider the NX7 over the NX5? Both share the same lens. Maybe consider the NX5 and save some money? Forget about my personal taste for the 9060; see if you can go demo each and then decide.



@Mike Garrett , is the NX7 supposed to have better motion than the NX5?

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Football and Hockey are the two main sports but others also include golf and Basketball at times.

Just concerned about motion
I have not seen the HT9060, but if you do not get 60P judder, it will be better for motion. For sports the lower contrast on the HT9060, does not matter, since we are talking bright content. If you had been talking about basketball and football, I would probably have recommended the RS2000/NX7, but with hockey, I would recommend the HT9060 and give up the added contrast for movies. I watch basketball, football, soccer and tennis with a JVC and it works fine for those sports, but hockey puck is much faster. I have not tried viewing hockey on my RS3000. I will try to do that some time.
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Here's one more afterthought...if you're mainly concerned about motion, why would you consider the NX7 over the NX5? Both share the same lens. Maybe consider the NX5 and save some money? Forget about my personal taste for the 9060; see if you can go demo each and then decide.



@Mike Garrett , is the NX7 supposed to have better motion than the NX5?
I don't think there is any difference between the two with motion. The 3000 seems to have better motion, but I think it is the added sharpness of the lens that gives a perceived advantage.
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I don't think there is any difference between the two with motion. The 3000 seems to have better motion, but I think it is the added sharpness of the lens that gives a perceived advantage.
I am going to a dealer today to view the NX7 in his store and they have cable feed so I can watch football at 1 PM since we are in Canada there is a CFL game.

Not Hockey season so would be tough to see how the NX7 handles hockey although NFL football is the most important.

I wish reviews of projectors would spend a bit more time on how they handle motion as there is a market segment that places sports over movies.


This 52 minute comparison does little to address motion.

I know the black levels on the JVC NX7 are better then the BenQ HT 9060 but perhaps it is a trade off that I would be willing to live with if motion was significantly better on the HT9060.

In Vancouver it is impossible to find a dealer that sells the BenQ HT9060.... the closet one I know of that will even quote me a price is in the Toronto, ON area.

If I went a JVC I would go with the NX7 as it is a bit brighter and higher contrast which is all good but I would expect them to be the same for motion.

A third alternative is to put my Marantz back up after the renovation is complete and see how it handles the larger AT screen.

Thanks for the interest and trying to help me.
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I am going to a dealer today to view the NX7 in his store and they have cable feed so I can watch football at 1 PM since we are in Canada there is a CFL game.

Not Hockey season so would be tough to see how the NX7 handles hockey although NFL football is the most important.

I wish reviews of projectors would spend a bit more time on how they handle motion as there is a market segment that places sports over movies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iYbVMeeKdU

This 52 minute comparison does little to address motion.

I know the black levels on the JVC NX7 are better then the BenQ HT 9060 but perhaps it is a trade off that I would be willing to live with if motion was significantly better on the HT9060.

In Vancouver it is impossible to find a dealer that sells the BenQ HT9060.... the closet one I know of that will even quote me a price is in the Toronto, ON area.

If I went a JVC I would go with the NX7 as it is a bit brighter and higher contrast which is all good but I would expect them to be the same for motion.

A third alternative is to put my Marantz back up after the renovation is complete and see how it handles the larger AT screen.

Thanks for the interest and trying to help me.
Football should be fine on the JVC. I have owned two Marantz projectors and one of them was the 15S1. You will get next to nothing for the Marantz, if you sell it, so why not set it back up. You could use it for hockey, reducing the image size some if needed.
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MMC57- My 15S1 has just died and it has forced my hand. Like yourself I have also narrowed my selection down to these 2 choices. I was going to wait until next month when CEDiA/IFA roll around to see if any new products are announced. Apparently both Sony and JVC won't be announcing any new products so I wonder if BenQ will announce anything new.

Anyway I look forward to your impressions of these 2 projectors having come from the same projector as myself. And interested to see your thoughts in regards to both motion and that DLP "Pop" that DLP offers. I guess that is due to the ANSI contrast? Also I don't notice rainbows on my Marantz VP-15S1, however I have heard the BenQ HT9060 is more susceptible, so I look forward to seeing if this is true or not for myself.

However my uses are 80% movies 20% sports, with a lot of the movie content being non 4k so up-scaling is important to me for Satellite and Streaming sources.

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MMC57- My 15S1 has just died and it has forced my hand. Like yourself I have also narrowed my selection down to these 2 choices. I was going to wait until next month when CEDiA/IFA roll around to see if any new products are announced. Apparently both Sony and JVC won't be announcing any new products so I wonder if BenQ will announce anything new.



Anyway I look forward to your impressions of these 2 projectors having come from the same projector as myself. And interested to see your thoughts in regards to both motion and that DLP "Pop" that DLP offers. I guess that is due to the ANSI contrast? Also I don't notice rainbows on my Marantz VP-15S1, however I have heard the BenQ HT9060 is more susceptible, so I look forward to seeing if this is true or not for myself.



However my uses are 80% movies 20% sports, with a lot of the movie content being non 4k so up-scaling is important to me for Satellite and Streaming sources.
Rumor has it that Epson is doing true 4K at Cedia. We shall see. Supposedly laser as well. Might be worth waiting a couple months.

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MMC57- My 15S1 has just died and it has forced my hand. Like yourself I have also narrowed my selection down to these 2 choices. I was going to wait until next month when CEDiA/IFA roll around to see if any new products are announced. Apparently both Sony and JVC won't be announcing any new products so I wonder if BenQ will announce anything new.

Anyway I look forward to your impressions of these 2 projectors having come from the same projector as myself. And interested to see your thoughts in regards to both motion and that DLP "Pop" that DLP offers. I guess that is due to the ANSI contrast? Also I don't notice rainbows on my Marantz VP-15S1, however I have heard the BenQ HT9060 is more susceptible, so I look forward to seeing if this is true or not for myself.

However my uses are 80% movies 20% sports, with a lot of the movie content being non 4k so up-scaling is important to me for Satellite and Streaming sources.
I am not a big believer in ANSI making a huge difference. If you take a projector like the Marantz, calibrate it properly and take a projector like a JVC and calibrate it properly, you will be hard pressed to find any scene in a movie where the higher ANSI shows a difference, but if you have a good room, you will have no problem finding scenes where the higher native contrast makes a difference. I moved to LCOS several years ago. Have had RS45, RS57, RS400, RS420, RS600, RS640, RS4500 and RS3000. The sports I watch, college basketball, tennis, football and soccer look very good and movies in my black pit of a room. I will not even consider DLP, until they can get much better native contrast. But I also am a movie guy. That is my first, second and third priority.
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Rumor has it that Epson is doing true 4K at Cedia. We shall see. Supposedly laser as well. Might be worth waiting a couple months.

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IFA is three weeks away. CEDIA 3.5 weeks away. Will know everything then. The LS series was not very popular here in the US, so I do not know if Epson is willing to go even higher up the food chain with a laser LCOQ native 4K projector. And if Epson does native 4K LCD, even if it is laser, I don't think it will get my attention.
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IFA is three weeks away. CEDIA 3.5 weeks away. Will know everything then. The LS series was not very popular here in the US, so I do not know if Epson is willing to go even higher up the food chain with a laser LCOQ native 4K projector. And if Epson does native 4K LCD, even if it is laser, I don't think it will get my attention.
What if Epson gives you native 4k with laser dimming to give absolute blacks with 3000 lumens at $12k? Not even a little interest? I know you love JVC and they are amazing but I am sure you have to be a little curious about what Epson is bringing to Cedia. They have been very tight lipped but Rodrigo has been dropping hints.

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What if Epson gives you native 4k with laser dimming to give absolute blacks with 3000 lumens at $12k? Not even a little interest? I know you love JVC and they are amazing but I am sure you have to be a little curious about what Epson is bringing to Cedia. They have been very tight lipped but Rodrigo has been dropping hints.

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It is not a matter of loving JVC. I have had a long list of projectors in my room, DLP, LCD, LCOS, SXRD, laser LCOS, LED DLP and XPR DLP. It is a matter of giving me the best image for my budget. If I could buy the Sim2 HDR Duo Plus for the price of the RS3000, I would own it. If the Christie Eclipse was available and at the price point of the RS3000 or a little more, I would love to own it.

A 3,000 lumen laser LCD projector will end up around 2,000 or less calibrated lumens. LCD loses a ton of lumens, when you calibrate them. So no, a 3,000 lumen laser LCD does not hold a lot of interest for me in my theater. As a product, yes, it holds interest. Also just because an LCD is laser with full fade to black does not solve the low native contrast problem. You can still have too large of a step, between full fade to black and the black floor, with light source on.

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Football should be fine on the JVC. I have owned two Marantz projectors and one of them was the 15S1. You will get next to nothing for the Marantz, if you sell it, so why not set it back up. You could use it for hockey, reducing the image size some if needed.
I think I will do exactly that.... after the renovation is done I will re-install my Marantz and see how things look on the larger screen.

After visiting a dealer today I am left more confused then ever in some respects.

The NX7 was ceiling mounted and being feed a signal from Shaw cable so I was able to view a wide variety of content and motion for football seemed OK as did gof and basketball.

A couple of days I went to a different dealer that had a NX5 on display but no cable so only input was from a UHD Blu-ray player... the purpose of this visit was to see if vertical black bars where visible on the sides when 16 x 9 content was sent to the projector since it is a native 17 x 9 projector at 4096 x 2160.

I arrived with a 16 x 9 Blu-ray which I know display perfectly on my Elite plasma... we played this disc and it filled the 16 x 9 screen perfectly and I then went up to the screen to see if any black bars where present and I could see none at all which was good at that point. I was told by JVC that a 16 x 9 disc would produce the same result as input from cable so after this test I thought the issue that others have mention is not something to worry about.

This issue is mentioned on page 2 of the following review.

https://hometheaterreview.com/jvc-dl...viewed/?page=2

Fast forward to the demo today of the NX7 ... this time my wife is with me... as we are sitting in the room watching various channels to get a feel for how the NX7 will perform with real world cable input I look to see on each sides what appears to be bars outside the image field... I walk up to the screen and sure enough the bars are about 3 inches wide and very distinctive.... Actually could put my hand and fingers in the way of the light path and you see a "puppet show" on the wall.

My Wife then says... "I thought you said you checked this and this was not a problem?.... followed up with of course the required advise... "You might need to get your eyes checked!"

"Consumer video content adheres to a 16:9 standard, which 1080p Blu-ray, UHD Blu-ray, and broadcast HDTV follows. The issue is that the RS2000 uses true 4K 4096 by 2160 panels, not UHD 3840 by 2160 panels, making the native image 1.89:1. This means that any consumer video format played through the RS2000 will show black bars on the sides. ".... from the review in quotes.

I can not live with bars outside the image so the JVC NX7 will not work for me or any 4096 x 2160 projector since it appears that I am a "Consumer Video Content" guy and need 16 x 9 native projector.

Which at the moment leaves me with two choices.... my Marantz 15-S1 or the BenQ HT 9060 with is native 16 x 9.

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MMC57 apart from that issue how did you find the NX7 in comparison to the Marantz? Motion, black levels, sharpness, upscaling, depth to the image, etc?
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MMC57 apart from that issue how did you find the NX7 in comparison to the Marantz? Motion, black levels, sharpness, upscaling, depth to the image, etc?
That is a good question and I am not sure what the answer is.

Without the ability to do a side by side comparison it is difficult to say..... what I can say is that the Marantz paired with my Stewart Firehawk G3 produced a fantastic image in every way up to 1080P content.

Hopefully my renovation to bring the room up to 7.1.4 audio, HDMI 2.0 & 2.1 cables, Cat 6A Network cabling, adding 2 dedicated 20 AMP AC circuits in the AV Rack, Anthem MRX 1120 AVR and Anthem MCA 325 AMP, Panasonic UB9000 UHD Blu-Ray Player, Seymour Screen Excellence 137.7" Diagonal 16 x 9 AT Screen - Enlightor-Bright-1.5" Bezel , Paradigm In Wall E7 speakers will all not be a waste of time and money once I actually decide on a new Projector in order to watch UHD content.

It has been 12 years since I installed the Marantz and I would hope that with all this hype about UHD and 4K that there is a projector that will fit my 16 x 9 requirements without a lot of messing about.

Going to put up the Marantz once the room is complete and see how it looks.... it will not give me more then 1080P but NFL is still in 720P or 1080i but one day I hope the NFL arrives into the 2160P world.

If I can get by with the Marantz until then all will be good .... if the Marantz struggles with the larger image and different screen material then I will look at perhaps the HT9060 or some other native 16 x 9 (3,840 x 2160) projector.

Anyways all the new infrastructure is now in the wall and ceiling and the drywallers start on Tuesday to fix up the ceiling and walls.... after that... paint and AV Cabinets go back in and final steps will be in wall speakers and in ceiling speakers.... install projector and screen.... hook up all the new AV equipment.... re-install theater seats.....

Hopefully by mid September it will all be done.

For sure going to wait now until CEDIA to see if there is anything new that would interest me.
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I think I will do exactly that.... after the renovation is done I will re-install my Marantz and see how things look on the larger screen.

After visiting a dealer today I am left more confused then ever in some respects.

The NX7 was ceiling mounted and being feed a signal from Shaw cable so I was able to view a wide variety of content and motion for football seemed OK as did gof and basketball.

A couple of days I went to a different dealer that had a NX5 on display but no cable so only input was from a UHD Blu-ray player... the purpose of this visit was to see if vertical black bars where visible on the sides when 16 x 9 content was sent to the projector since it is a native 17 x 9 projector at 4096 x 2160.

I arrived with a 16 x 9 Blu-ray which I know display perfectly on my Elite plasma... we played this disc and it filled the 16 x 9 screen perfectly and I then went up to the screen to see if any black bars where present and I could see none at all which was good at that point. I was told by JVC that a 16 x 9 disc would produce the same result as input from cable so after this test I thought the issue that others have mention is not something to worry about.

This issue is mentioned on page 2 of the following review.

https://hometheaterreview.com/jvc-dl...viewed/?page=2

Fast forward to the demo today of the NX7 ... this time my wife is with me... as we are sitting in the room watching various channels to get a feel for how the NX7 will perform with real world cable input I look to see on each sides what appears to be bars outside the image field... I walk up to the screen and sure enough the bars are about 3 inches wide and very distinctive.... Actually could put my hand and fingers in the way of the light path and you see a "puppet show" on the wall.

My Wife then says... "I thought you said you checked this and this was not a problem?.... followed up with of course the required advise... "You might need to get your eyes checked!"

"Consumer video content adheres to a 16:9 standard, which 1080p Blu-ray, UHD Blu-ray, and broadcast HDTV follows. The issue is that the RS2000 uses true 4K 4096 by 2160 panels, not UHD 3840 by 2160 panels, making the native image 1.89:1. This means that any consumer video format played through the RS2000 will show black bars on the sides. ".... from the review in quotes.

I can not live with bars outside the image so the JVC NX7 will not work for me or any 4096 x 2160 projector since it appears that I am a "Consumer Video Content" guy and need 16 x 9 native projector.

Which at the moment leaves me with two choices.... my Marantz 15-S1 or the BenQ HT 9060 with is native 16 x 9.

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On a 16:9 screen, you usually only see the bars if: The wall is nearly white. The brightness also determines how much the bright bars show. I suspect the first time you viewed sports on the JVC the dealer had the projector adjusted, so that the brightness was where you would typically view a projected image. The second dealer probably ran the projector with out of the box settings, which are iris full open. Second dealer was probably running his demo much brighter. If your walls are not nearly white and you have a regular 16:9 frame, these bars really should not be an issue, when watching sports. But you are correct the BenQ HT9060 does not have these bars.
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On a 16:9 screen, you usually only see the bars if: The wall is nearly white. The brightness also determines how much the bright bars show. I suspect the first time you viewed sports on the JVC the dealer had the projector adjusted, so that the brightness was where you would typically view a projected image. The second dealer probably ran the projector with out of the box settings, which are iris full open. Second dealer was probably running his demo much brighter. If your walls are not nearly white and you have a regular 16:9 frame, these bars really should not be an issue, when watching sports. But you are correct the BenQ HT9060 does not have these bars.
Thanks for the comments Mike.

It just does not make sense to me to have a projector that does not fit the aspect ratio of m screen.

The first dealer had velvet around the image so I think it was eating up the light.... second dealer had a screen that opens up to 2:35 and the masking material was not velvet but rather some perforated plastic of some type so this material did not eat up the light like velvet does which allowed me to see the bars.

I was SHOCKED to see this after the the NX5 demo..... but it makes more sense now.

My new screen will only have a 1.5" bezel which will be fine for image overscan but will not help me with the bars as they will be "wide" and project onto the wall.

Better to find out this issue now then after the NX7 is hanging in the room.

For folks like me that just want a clean 16 x 9 UHD image it is a bit of a mess.

Just too much messing about if I have to worry about brightness settings and wall colors so I do not see black bars..... seems like projector manufacturers do not worry to much about folks that what to use a projector as a BIG TV to watch sports and perhaps other TV content.

Any new projector that I get must fit a 16 x 9 screen without black bars.... it is a basic requirement for me..... now that I know what the situation is I can rule out all 4,096 x 2160 projectors.

Shocking actually.... but better to know up ahead of time.
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Thanks for the comments Mike.

It just does not make sense to me to have a projector that does not fit the aspect ratio of m screen.

The first dealer had velvet around the image so I think it was eating up the light.... second dealer had a screen that opens up to 2:35 and the masking material was not velvet but rather some perforated plastic of some type so this material did not eat up the light like velvet does which allowed me to see the bars.

I was SHOCKED to see this after the the NX5 demo..... but it makes more sense now.

My new screen will only have a 1.5" bezel which will be fine for image overscan but will not help me with the bars as they will be "wide" and project onto the wall.

Better to find out this issue now then after the NX7 is hanging in the room.

For folks like me that just want a clean 16 x 9 UHD image it is a bit of a mess.

Just too much messing about if I have to worry about brightness settings and wall colors so I do not see black bars..... seems like projector manufacturers do not worry to much about folks that what to use a projector as a BIG TV to watch sports and perhaps other TV content.

Any new projector that I get must fit a 16 x 9 screen without black bars.... it is a basic requirement for me..... now that I know what the situation is I can rule out all 4,096 x 2160 projectors.

Shocking actually.... but better to know up ahead of time.

How wide are these bars? I have a 2.5 inch black velvet frame, would that hide them? Also, is it possible to use the zoom function or set up some kind of custom profile on the JVC’s to hide these?
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How wide are these bars? I have a 2.5 inch black velvet frame, would that hide them? Also, is it possible to use the zoom function or set up some kind of custom profile on the JVC’s to hide these?
The width of the vertical bars are going to be in relationship to the width of your screen.

4,096/3,840 = 1.067

So in my case my new screen is 120" wide x 1.067 = 128.04".... so the bars in my case would be 4.02" wide on EACH side.

I have gone to a narrow bezel 1.5" Black Velvet which is more then enough to eat up any IMAGE overscan as I align the screen and projector as close as humanly possible.

I am not going to mess around with HUGE bezel or treat my wall with Black Velvet or try and find a work around with a zoom function.

At then end of the day a 17 x 9 chipset is not the best for a fixed 16 x 9 screen IMHO.

There must be some reason projector manufacturers want a 4,096 x 2,160 chipset... the only reason I can think of is so the can stick a 4K Badge on their projector.

I need a UHD projector - 3,840 x 2,160.... it has never be more evident then right now.

Good luck to those that like the 4,096 x 2,160 ..... just not for me.
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The width of the vertical bars are going to be in relationship to the width of your screen.

4,096/3,840 = 1.067

So in my case my new screen is 120" wide x 1.067 = 128.04".... so the bars in my case would be 4.02" wide on EACH side.

I have gone to a narrow bezel 1.5" Black Velvet which is more then enough to eat up any IMAGE overscan as I align the screen and projector as close as humanly possible.

I am not going to mess around with HUGE bezel or treat my wall with Black Velvet or try and find a work around with a zoom function.

At then end of the day a 17 x 9 chipset is not the best for a fixed 16 x 9 screen IMHO.

There must be some reason projector manufacturers want a 4,096 x 2,160 chipset... the only reason I can think of is so the can stick a 4K Badge on their projector.

I need a UHD projector - 3,840 x 2,160.... it has never be more evident then right now.

Good luck to those that like the 4,096 x 2,160 ..... just not for me.
BenQ is going to give you way better brightness anyways. 1700 lumens in p3 mode for around 20,000hrs. JVC once you put in eco mode to get decent bulb hours like most do here and use p3 filter the brightness is much lower. BenQ you can use full brightness without concern due to hld led.
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Thanks for the comments Mike.

It just does not make sense to me to have a projector that does not fit the aspect ratio of m screen.

The first dealer had velvet around the image so I think it was eating up the light.... second dealer had a screen that opens up to 2:35 and the masking material was not velvet but rather some perforated plastic of some type so this material did not eat up the light like velvet does which allowed me to see the bars.

I was SHOCKED to see this after the the NX5 demo..... but it makes more sense now.

My new screen will only have a 1.5" bezel which will be fine for image overscan but will not help me with the bars as they will be "wide" and project onto the wall.

Better to find out this issue now then after the NX7 is hanging in the room.

For folks like me that just want a clean 16 x 9 UHD image it is a bit of a mess.

Just too much messing about if I have to worry about brightness settings and wall colors so I do not see black bars..... seems like projector manufacturers do not worry to much about folks that what to use a projector as a BIG TV to watch sports and perhaps other TV content.

Any new projector that I get must fit a 16 x 9 screen without black bars.... it is a basic requirement for me..... now that I know what the situation is I can rule out all 4,096 x 2160 projectors.

Shocking actually.... but better to know up ahead of time.
If your walls are not nearly white, you are making a mountain out of a molehill. Something must not have been set up right if you are seeing the bars on the masking. I have a 2.40 AT screen with powered masking. Without the masking, I can see the black bar when watching 16:9 content on my scope screen, but with the masking, it completely disappears and my masking is AT, so not velvet. If this was such an issue, nobody would buy native 4K projectors, because it has been this way ever since the Sony VW1000 first shipped, February 2012.
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The width of the vertical bars are going to be in relationship to the width of your screen.

4,096/3,840 = 1.067

So in my case my new screen is 120" wide x 1.067 = 128.04".... so the bars in my case would be 4.02" wide on EACH side.

I have gone to a narrow bezel 1.5" Black Velvet which is more then enough to eat up any IMAGE overscan as I align the screen and projector as close as humanly possible.

I am not going to mess around with HUGE bezel or treat my wall with Black Velvet or try and find a work around with a zoom function.

At then end of the day a 17 x 9 chipset is not the best for a fixed 16 x 9 screen IMHO.

There must be some reason projector manufacturers want a 4,096 x 2,160 chipset... the only reason I can think of is so the can stick a 4K Badge on their projector.

I need a UHD projector - 3,840 x 2,160.... it has never be more evident then right now.

Good luck to those that like the 4,096 x 2,160 ..... just not for me.
The panels are 17:9 because that is the size needed for DCI content for production screening rooms. The HT market alone and the commercial screening room market alone are not big enough to justify having two different panel sizes, especially when one panel can do both jobs. Sounds like you should go with the HT9060.
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Rumor has it that Epson is doing true 4K at Cedia. We shall see. Supposedly laser as well. Might be worth waiting a couple months.

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I am very interested if Epson is bring out a 4K laser!! With luck the price will be inline with the current LS range.
Only 3 weeks to Cedia. We shall see.

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If your walls are not nearly white, you are making a mountain out of a molehill. Something must not have been set up right if you are seeing the bars on the masking. I have a 2.40 AT screen with powered masking. Without the masking, I can see the black bar when watching 16:9 content on my scope screen, but with the masking, it completely disappears and my masking is AT, so not velvet. If this was such an issue, nobody would buy native 4K projectors, because it has been this way ever since the Sony VW1000 first shipped, February 2012.
Should have known SONY was behind the whole thing.... amazing they are still in business.

Anyways... I hope everyone enjoys the 4,096 x 2,160... it is just not for me.

Good luck to all.
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