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The thing that I found really interesting was the resolution of the TheoZ65 which uses a 2x .67in DLP chip. The Theo was clearly superior to the JVC while the 6050 was about what you'd get from a 1080P DLP chip.
That even with the lense on the z65 not being the best either, measuring 56% brightness uniformity compared to the jvcs 87%.
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Quite Frankly I would need an independent objective third party to declare Theo UHZ65 the winner of these three projectors before I would 100% believe TVSPRO . They are the ones who created and sell the Theo UHZ65. Kind of like if Popeyes declared its chicken sandwich the winner of a shootout between themselves Chicfila and KFC. Seems a bit disingenuous.

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TVSpro sells all three but they are also making this offer:

https://www.tvspecialists.com/projec...son-challenge/


Anyways, based upon what they have presented, the Theo-Z65 seems like the clear winner.
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TVSpro sells all three but they are also making this offer:



https://www.tvspecialists.com/projec...son-challenge/





Anyways, based upon what they have presented, the Theo-Z65 seems like the clear winner.
TVsPro has been in business since 1953. I assume they would be truthful and honest with any projector comparison. They do sell all three but only modify one the Theo UHZ65. They do stand to make considerably more money from the sale of that projector. It also enhances their reputation as a modifier. Like I stated before it would be like when Pepsi did the Pepsi shootout. It gives the appearance of impropriety when you run the contest and also declare yourself the winner. Let someone else stage the contest so everyone is comfortable with the results.

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I don't know too much about Silver Ticket, but I remember moving to a Stewart screen from a different screen brand a long while back. Improvement in clarity and sharpness were immediately noticeable.
Yes. You can even put a white piece of printer paper on the screen and usually see the pixel grid well. That lets you see what yo might be missing on your screen if it's not a stewart.
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Quite Frankly I would need an independent objective third party to declare Theo UHZ65 the winner of these three projectors before I would 100% believe TVSPRO . They are the ones who created and sell the Theo UHZ65. Kind of like if Popeyes declared its chicken sandwich the winner of a shootout between themselves Chicfila and KFC. Seems a bit disingenuous.

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Agreed. It may very well be the best but they can't do the testing unmonitored. They should have invited a few independent viewers. Doesn't change my interest in the projector though. I can discount stuff I read if I deem it unreliable.

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Agreed. It may very well be the best but they can't do the testing unmonitored. They should have invited a few independent viewers. Doesn't change my interest in the projector though. I can discount stuff I read if I deem it unreliable.
If the Theo had an Optoma 9060 lens in it I think it would be one of the best 4k projector options available for under $35K based upon the video and the quoted specifications. I just don't trust the factory lens in the UHZ65.

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TVSpro sells all three but they are also making this offer:

https://www.tvspecialists.com/projec...son-challenge/


Anyways, based upon what they have presented, the Theo-Z65 seems like the clear winner.
HAHA. They will credit up to $600 off MSRP as long as you buy one of the listed projectors, excluding the UHZ65. Only up to $300 off MSRP on the UHZ65. Key word is up to and these are off of MSRP, not street prices. I think every dealer out there would be happy to match that offer. I have seen a lot of 4K DLP projectors. Many of them a lot more high end than the Theo and not one of them can compete in my black pit of a room. Heck, I would like to have higher native contrast than my current projector and its native is 30 times higher in HDR mode than the Theo. My projectors native in SDR is 69 times higher.
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TVsPro has been in business since 1953. I assume they would be truthful and honest with any projector comparison. They do sell all three but only modify one the Theo UHZ65. They do stand to make considerably more money from the sale of that projector. It also enhances their reputation as a modifier. Like I stated before it would be like when Pepsi did the Pepsi shootout. It gives the appearance of impropriety when you run the contest and also declare yourself the winner. Let someone else stage the contest so everyone is comfortable with the results.

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Yep. Send a Theo to Kris Deering and let him review it and shoot it out with an RS2000/NX7. If they would be willing to do that, I would make the arrangement to get an RS2000 to Kris.
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For those interested here's the first part of the TVSPro blog article:

https://www.tvspecialists.com/jvc-dl...eo-z65-part-i/
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For those interested here's the first part of the TVSPro blog article:
That's pretty neat. Thanks for posting.
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For those interested here's the first part of the TVSPro blog article:

https://www.tvspecialists.com/jvc-dl...eo-z65-part-i/

Frankly, I find it hard to believe that the UHZ65 supposedly has more "Detail and 4K Resolution" to offer than the NX7 in this image segment of people in front of steps.


But I think the comparison reveals that thanks to its better native contrast the NX7 image segment looks more realistic and natural (at least to me).

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Frankly, I find it hard to believe that the UHZ65 supposedly has more "Detail and 4K Resolution" to offer than the NX7 in this image segment of people in front of steps.
I think what it is really showing is that the NX7, being three chip, can have some convergence artifacts whereas the UHZ65, being single chip, does not. The UHZ65, at 1528x2, doesn't have more resolution than the NX7 for sure, but being single chip, it will have better white line precision, assisted by the resolution of 1528 which is doubled.
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Elunevision makes legit 4k screens with their "Reference" surface. When it comes to the pricing of their motorized units with this surface, they are much less expensive than other alternatives. A tremendous value for the $
100% agree with this statement. Seymour makes some fantastic screens as well and you can buy just the screen material.

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I think what it is really showing is that the NX7, being three chip, can have some convergence artifacts whereas the UHZ65, being single chip, does not.

I'd say the only consensus we can achieve here is that DLP technology offers perfect convergence right from the start (activation of projector) while it takes the others some time to reach operating temperature and optimal convergence. Add to this that you can adjust / fine tune the convergence - if necessary - via the NX7's menu.


To me the image segment comparison suggests that this has been neglected for that test.

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But fine-tuning convergence on the NX7 is something that takes place on the software level and depending on the amount of error sometimes can't be corrected across the whole panel or by whole pixel shift. Convergence adjustment can cause artifacts.
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Introducing the "budget Theo":


"Lower Cost 4K HDR Projector with Deep, Rich Blacks, and up to 80% of BT2020..."

https://www.tvspecialists.com/introducing-theo-z65-lite
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Introducing the "budget Theo":





"Lower Cost 4K HDR Projector with Deep, Rich Blacks, and up to 80% of BT2020..."



https://www.tvspecialists.com/introducing-theo-z65-lite
I wonder if this UHZ65 will beat the JVC NX7 and the Epson 6050 as well as judged by TVsPro? This version further calls into question the impartiality of the other "Theo" results against the competition. I wonder if there will be a third.

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Introducing the "budget Theo":


"Lower Cost 4K HDR Projector with Deep, Rich Blacks, and up to 80% of BT2020..."

https://www.tvspecialists.com/introducing-theo-z65-lite

"For those who desire the use of a 3.40:1 native aspect screen, to avoid the black areas above and below the image, the projector includes the capability for use with or without an anamorphic lens to achieve this capability. 3D from HD 3D Blu-ray discs are now supported with optional glasses."

Is 3D support certain and tested? Surely they meant 2.35:1 native aspect ratio.

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"For those who desire the use of a 3.40:1 native aspect screen, to avoid the black areas above and below the image, the projector includes the capability for use with or without an anamorphic lens to achieve this capability. 3D from HD 3D Blu-ray discs are now supported with optional glasses."

Is 3D support certain and tested? Surely they meant 2.35:1 native aspect ratio.
The article now reads " 2.40-1 ". IIRC, there were rumours about BD 3D support via a firmware upgrade (which was done on the UHD50), so maybe that's happened.
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For those interested here's the first part of the TVSPro blog article:

https://www.tvspecialists.com/jvc-dl...eo-z65-part-i/
and the 2nd part:


https://www.tvspecialists.com/jvc-dl...eo-z65-part-ii
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I wonder if this UHZ65 will beat the JVC NX7 and the Epson 6050 as well as judged by TVsPro? This version further calls into question the impartiality of the other "Theo" results against the competition. I wonder if there will be a third.

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If anyone can get TVPros to send a modified UHZ65 to Kris Deering I will make arrangements to get an RS2000 to Kris and we can have a real shootout, by an impartial third party.
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Has it been dicussed how they achieved the improvements to black levels and contrast? The attached image looks like they did a good job of removing the milkyness. Better contrast, with 80% rec2020, dlp pixel response, and the laser for my high usage has me strongly considering this projector.

Another question. Does this or the uhz65 have a blank/hide image feature?
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"TV Specialists, Inc. dba TVS Pro

We're excited to announce that at CEDIA last week we had the opportunity to meet with one of the nationally-recognized calibrators and we are arranging to have a supervised calibration and comparison of the JVC NX7 and the Theo-Z65 Lite as soon as the new JVC firmware is released! #projectorcomparison #sidebyside"
https://www.youtube.com/user/TVSpecialists/community
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We're excited to announce that at CEDIA last week we had the opportunity to meet with one of the nationally-recognized calibrators and we are arranging to have a supervised calibration and comparison of the JVC NX7 and the Theo-Z65 Lite as soon as the new JVC firmware is released! #projectorcomparison #sidebyside"

https://www.youtube.com/user/TVSpecialists/community
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