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Theo Z65 (Upgraded Optoma UHZ65) Owners Thread

There has been some talk about the upgraded UHZ65 from TVSpro for a while now but there hasn't been a owners thread started yet. So I guess I'll be the first.

Like many, I've seen the compro vids on youtube and started to wonder. The prommise of darker blacks and wider color (rec 2020) is something we all would like to see. Very much so for a DLP we can afford. But we only had their word on it. And while the videos looked promising, I was worried that the HK-effect wouldn't be ehough to make up for the loss of max lumans and possible lost detail from black crush.

Well I took a chance and ordered a Theo Z65 anyways. WOW I'm very much impressed. I've spent the last week playing around with it and love everything I'm seeing. Haven't figured out everything yet and trying not to move too far away from TVSpro's custom cal too much (needed for the rec 2020 filter). Just finshed watching "Lucy" a popular movie for screenshot comparos.

Have to say I made the right choice in ordering this projector. All my fears are put to rest. I will be keeping this awesome machine and highly recommend others check it out! 10/10
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There has been some talk about the upgraded UHZ65 from TVSpro for a while now but there hasn't been a owners thread started yet. So I guess I'll be the first.



Like many, I've seen the compro vids on youtube and started to wonder. The prommise of darker blacks and wider color (rec 2020) is something we all would like to see. Very much so for a DLP we can afford. But we only had their word on it. And while the videos looked promising, I was worried that the HK-effect wouldn't be ehough to make up for the loss of max lumans and possible lost detail from black crush.



Well I took a chance and ordered a Theo Z65 anyways. WOW I'm very much impressed. I've spent the last week playing around with it and love everything I'm seeing. Haven't figured out everything yet and trying not to move too far away from TVSpro's custom cal too much (needed for the rec 2020 filter). Just finshed watching "Lucy" a popular movie for screenshot comparos.



Have to say I made the right choice in ordering this projector. All my fears are put to rest. I will be keeping this awesome machine and highly recommend others check it out! 10/10
If you don't mind me asking what type of screen and size are you using and what was your previous projector and are you using the same size and screen that you used with your previous projector.

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The screen is a Silver Ticket 120" Gray with a 1.0 gain. I've got enough light left I'm going to increase to 135" in January.

Previous projector was a HD143x that I used just for 3d and low lag gaming. Before that it was a plasma tv for great blacks.
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The screen is a Silver Ticket 120" Gray with a 1.0 gain. I've got enough light left I'm going to increase to 135" in January.



Previous projector was a HD143x that I used just for 3d and low lag gaming. Before that it was a plasma tv for great blacks.
Thank you for your reply. My understanding is this modified UHZ65 is over $5k. At that price point there are a good number of excellent projectors from which to choose. Did you compare this projector to any others before making a final decision and if so what made you choose this projector? It is quite a step up from your other projector at over 10x the cost of the HD143X.

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I looked at a Sony 295/385 and the BenQ ht5550, HT9060, and Lk990. The Sony's where too dim, the 5550 smaller .47 chip limited intra-scene contrast compared to the .66 even with the DI. And the HT9060/Lk990 only does 4x dynamic black vs the Optoma's 8x + laser off. $5300 is alot but compared to a Lk990 it's a steal.

As for the Hd143x that was mostly a test bed for DLP light output, 3d, and to see if I suffer from rainbows (I don't).
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I looked at a Sony 295/385 and the BenQ ht5550, HT9060, and Lk990. The Sony's where too dim, the 5550 smaller .47 chip limited intra-scene contrast compared to the .66 even with the DI. And the HT9060/Lk990 only does 4x dynamic black vs the Optoma's 8x + laser off. $5300 is alot but compared to a Lk990 it's a steal.



As for the Hd143x that was mostly a test bed for DLP light output, 3d, and to see if I suffer from rainbows (I don't).
The Optoma HT9060 is overpriced IMHO. It does throw a great image because of its fantastic optical lens. Super sharp images but I thought its HDR performance was below other projectors in its price range. Low contrast at its price point as well. I would love to compare your UHZ65 to my Epson 6050. I think that laser light source and higher lumens will best the 6050 for HDR performance but in terms of sharpness I think it will pale in comparison due to the inferior lens on the UHZ65. I do wish I could do a side by side. They both have strong points and weak ones. Epson is bringing a new Laser projector to IFA 2019 that is supposed to be true 4K. I am really curious to the price and performance.

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I think we've all been waiting to see a native 4k update to the LS10500. I knew the lens on the UHZ65 wasn't as good as the one on BenQ LK990 (very few are). The Optoma's can still take advantage of all 8.3m pixels and I will take that over 4m pixels with a better lens. If you want 3chip with DI the 6050ub is a good alternative to the $8k Sony 385, you don't get native but your not overpaying for the name. As you said no display is perfect. Pick your poison. For me the Theo Z65 is best option.
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I think we've all been waiting to see a native 4k update to the LS10500. I knew the lens on the UHZ65 wasn't as good as the one on BenQ LK990 (very few are). The Optoma's can still take advantage of all 8.3m pixels and I will take that over 4m pixels with a better lens. If you want 3chip with DI the 6050ub is a good alternative to the $8k Sony 385, you don't get native but your not overpaying for the name. As you said no display is perfect. Pick your poison. For me the Theo Z65 is best option.
I would like to take my Epson 6050 lens and marry it to your upgraded UHZ65. I am hoping that is what we get to see at IFA. maybe 3200 lumens with laser dimming and DI we get some amazing black level and HDR performance for $10k.

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There has been some talk about the upgraded UHZ65 from TVSpro for a while now but there hasn't been a owners thread started yet. So I guess I'll be the first.

Where? I just checked the two UHZ65 threads here at AVS and there are just two posts addressing this upgrade.


And what's the upgrade about?


Frankly I don't think this upgrade by a party other than Optoma deserves a third thread on the UHZ65.

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Where? I just checked the two UHZ65 threads here at AVS and there are just two posts addressing this upgrade.


And what's the upgrade about?


Frankly I don't think this upgrade by a party other than Optoma deserves a third thread on the UHZ65.
https://www.tvspecialists.com/new-up...ser-projector/

Optoma has given their blessing and it seems to be a pretty significant upgrade considering the color space it hits while still putting out 2400 lumens. There is an extensive Q and A. Optoma still honors the warranty after TVS Pro customizes the projector. TVS PRO has done some similar things with manufacturers in the past. They have been in business since 1953. Who am I to judge.

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I think we've all been waiting to see a native 4k update to the LS10500. I knew the lens on the UHZ65 wasn't as good as the one on BenQ LK990 (very few are). The Optoma's can still take advantage of all 8.3m pixels and I will take that over 4m pixels with a better lens. If you want 3chip with DI the 6050ub is a good alternative to the $8k Sony 385, you don't get native but your not overpaying for the name. As you said no display is perfect. Pick your poison. For me the Theo Z65 is best option.
I had the UHZ65 version and it is a great projector. Congratulations and enjoy this Theo version. I never had a problem with the UHZ65 lens. 1) I found its images were sharp and detailed. 2) The machine had excellent tone-mapping and very good dynamic contrast. 3) In fact, contrast was never an issue for me. 4) Brightness was outstanding and even calibrated, the UHZ65 delivered a bright, dynamic picture for whatever the need, movies, stills, presentations, etc.

Some of the issues I had were:

1) A slight bluish hue from the laser; it could be pretty much calibrated out but at times, I liked the touch in dark scenes as it more resembled reality/real natural light.

2) Brightness compression when using DB2...faces took on a compressed, blown out look.

3) RBE became more pervasive.

How do you find the Theo version deals with these positive and negative points that I observed on the UHZ65 version? I should ask if you're RBE sensitive too.
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1. No sign of blue tint, like you said it can be calibrated out and I've seen owners in the thread for the stock UHZ65 do this. TVSpro calibrated it out for the Theo as well.

2. Haven't seen any blow outs with the 4K Theo. My older 1080p DLP (HD143x) that was rated to 3000 lumens would do that. Really bad on Patrick Stewart's bald head LOL. However the Theo Z65 looks to be free from this wither in DB2 or any setting. Honestly I don't know if the difference from the stock UHZ65 that you saw and my Theo was the result of a reduction from 3000 lumens to 2400 + HK or a change Optoma made in the firmware. Most stock owners in the other thread are running C03 or C11. I'm running C16.

3. Can't speak to rainbow effect, I'm not sensitive to it.
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1. No sign of blue tint, like you said it can be calibrated out and I've seen owners in the thread for the stock UHZ65 do this. TVSpro calibrated it out for the Theo as well.

2. Haven't seen any blow outs with the 4K Theo. My older 1080p DLP (HD143x) that was rated to 3000 lumens would do that. Really bad on Patrick Stewart's bald head LOL. However the Theo Z65 looks to be free from this wither in DB2 or any setting. Honestly I don't know if the difference from the stock UHZ65 that you saw and my Theo was the result of a reduction from 3000 lumens to 2400 + HK or a change Optoma made in the firmware. Most stock owners in the other thread are running C03 or C11. I'm running C16.

3. Can't speak to rainbow effect, I'm not sensitive to it.
Nice to hear.

I had C11. Does C16 do anything to speed up the color wheel?
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I don't know about changes to color wheel speed. You're need to ask Optoma about that one.
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The screen is a Silver Ticket 120" Gray with a 1.0 gain. I've got enough light left I'm going to increase to 135" in January.
Are you able to see clearly defined, square pixels on your ST screen?

If not, I would suggest getting some samples of textureless surfaces from Stewart, SI and Da-lite as they will resolve 4k+ pixels and to my knowledge nothing from ST will.
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Are you able to see clearly defined, square pixels on your ST screen?

If not, I would suggest getting some samples of textureless surfaces from Stewart, SI and Da-lite as they will resolve 4k+ pixels and to my knowledge nothing from ST will.

I don't know too much about Silver Ticket, but I remember moving to a Stewart screen from a different screen brand a long while back. Improvement in clarity and sharpness were immediately noticeable.
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I don't know too much about Silver Ticket, but I remember moving to a Stewart screen from a different screen brand a long while back. Improvement in clarity and sharpness were immediately noticeable.
Please see a recent post I made regarding Silver Ticket for some more info:
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Silver Ticket list my screen as textureless. That said, I do see some texture to my screen but it is very little. I do see the individual pixels. I haven't read any reviews about screens when it comes to sharpness. All the reviews talk about gain, half gain, and color shift. I got the Silver Ticket because color was reviewed as very close to the Stewart despite the price. They also had the exact size and gain I wanted. Sure the Stewart is overall better but bang for the buck the Silver Ticket is very good.
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Silver Ticket list my screen as textureless. That said, I do see some texture to my screen but it is very little. I do see the individual pixels. I haven't read any reviews about screens when it comes to sharpness. All the reviews talk about gain, half gain, and color shift. I got the Silver Ticket because color was reviewed as very close to the Stewart despite the price. They also had the exact size and gain I wanted. Sure the Stewart is overall better but bang for the buck the Silver Ticket is very good.
My first screen was an Elite screen. I thought it was great. Until I went to watch a movie at my friend's home theater. He had a Seymour Screen. Using my same projector. Better contrast, depth and clarity. I ordered one the next week. Your projector will change through the years but a high quality screen can last decades. If you spent over $5K on a projector it deserves a high quality screen IMHO. It makes a huge difference.

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Silver Ticket list my screen as textureless. That said, I do see some texture to my screen but it is very little. I do see the individual pixels. I haven't read any reviews about screens when it comes to sharpness. All the reviews talk about gain, half gain, and color shift. I got the Silver Ticket because color was reviewed as very close to the Stewart despite the price. They also had the exact size and gain I wanted. Sure the Stewart is overall better but bang for the buck the Silver Ticket is very good.
ST is not textureless. Also most manufacturers fib with their gain numbers and the amount of color shift.
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Silver Ticket list my screen as textureless. That said, I do see some texture to my screen but it is very little. I do see the individual pixels. I haven't read any reviews about screens when it comes to sharpness. All the reviews talk about gain, half gain, and color shift. I got the Silver Ticket because color was reviewed as very close to the Stewart despite the price. They also had the exact size and gain I wanted. Sure the Stewart is overall better but bang for the buck the Silver Ticket is very good.
Is this the screen you have?
https://www.silverticketproducts.com...s/str-169120-g

I don't see them list it as textureless and they don't provide any up close images of surface to verify. I've never seen a textureless ST screen surface before (and we've tested several) and am really surprised that you are able to discern a clearly defined, square pixel from a 4K source running through your UHZ65.

A textureless surface should look like the image on the left; a textured surface will resolve pixels like the images on the right.


... Contact Da-lite; they will be glad to send you samples of their HD Progressive surfaces at no charge so that you can do a comparison in your home.
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I won't defend the ST beyond what you get for the price. Sure there are better screens out there.

The ST was meant to be temporary, just untill I'm done playing around with things. Can't simply go by the picture the stock UHZ65 throws.

As for the Theo itself im getting a peak of 62fl.

Will be upsizing and upgrading my screen in Jan and will be looking at something higher end. Looking at sample of Stewart Greyhawk 0.9 and Da-Lite Hd Pro 0.9
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I won't defend the ST beyond what you get for the price. Sure there are better screens out there.



The ST was meant to be temporary, just untill I'm done playing around with things. Can't simply go by the picture the stock UHZ65 throws.



As for the Theo itself im getting a peak of 62fl.



Will be upsizing and upgrading my screen in Jan and will be looking at something higher end. Looking at sample of Stewart Greyhawk 0.9 and Da-Lite Hd Pro 0.9
https://hometheaterreview.com/elunev...reen-reviewed/


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As for the Theo itself im getting a peak of 62fl.
On a 120in screen 62fl equals nearly 2700 lumens! You could use a massively large screen with that kind of output.
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Ronny who has a stock UHZ65 said in the other tread he got 75fl with 80% DCI-P3 color. So I'm very happy with 62fl with 80% BT2020 color. No worries about running out of light here. I'm going to move back the throw and simulate some larger screen sizes over the weekend.
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OK, so TVSpro has compared the TheoZ65 / PC6050UB / DLA-NX7 :



This is a clear win for DLP and the Theo65.
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This is a clear win for DLP and the Theo65.
It seemed like maybe their ansi test measured the screen/rooms black floor and not what the projector can do?

Very curious what the native contrast is on the theo z65. Seems like a good option if you want dlp over lcos while we wait for something with the lense and color wheel-less led ht9060 with a .95 xpr chip xD

The pixel response of dlp is amazing, that it can do a 4x shift and still not induce any motion blur, just need the bigger chips for better contrast right?

And jvc... I understand removing features for different price points, but a decent scaler? At least an avr should have a decent scaler...
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It seemed like maybe their ansi test measured the screen/rooms black floor and not what the projector can do?

Very curious what the native contrast is on the theo z65. Seems like a good option if you want dlp over lcos while we wait for something with the lense and color wheel-less led ht9060 with a .95 xpr chip xD

The pixel response of dlp is amazing, that it can do a 4x shift and still not induce any motion blur, just need the bigger chips for better contrast right?

And jvc... I understand removing features for different price points, but a decent scaler? At least an avr should have a decent scaler...
I'm sure the room was factor, but then it always is when you view real content.

The thing that I found really interesting was the resolution of the TheoZ65 which uses a 2x .67in DLP chip. The Theo was clearly superior to the JVC while the 6050 was about what you'd get from a 1080P DLP chip.
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OK, so TVSpro has compared the TheoZ65 / PC6050UB / DLA-NX7 :



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUroCr7AtDo





This is a clear win for DLP and the Theo65.
Quite Frankly I would need an independent objective third party to declare Theo UHZ65 the winner of these three projectors before I would 100% believe TVSPRO . They are the ones who created and sell the Theo UHZ65. Kind of like if Popeyes declared its chicken sandwich the winner of a shootout between themselves Chicfila and KFC. Seems a bit disingenuous.

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