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I heard rumors that JVC will run a special sale on several projectors very soon and in time for CEDIA. A friend told me that they got notification of this from someone who has contact with one of their distributors. They mentioned priced but rules prevent posting.
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Unless Epson or Sony have something up their sleeves, coercing JVC into such an action, I'd rather consider this unlikely.


But who knows? Epson will release something and one of the German online front projector reviewers suggested he had been receiving a special Sony invitation at IFA...

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JVC and Epson will have at least one new model each.

Regarding JVC one Spanish poster at the German HiFi-Forum is somewhat certain that it's going to be a) a laser-driven b) DLP projector.


I find this rather unlikely, perhaps you can exclude one or the other?
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Regarding JVC one Spanish poster at the German HiFi-Forum is somewhat certain that it's going to be a) a laser-driven b) DLP projector.


I find this rather unlikely, perhaps you can exclude one or the other?
Turns out that he was right
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at least there is a black version

Laser based .47 DMD + Auto tone mapping + laser dimming. seeing MSRP of $3699 for this model.

no mention of 3D support which would be surprising since a number of less expensive. .47 DMD models work with 3D.


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at least there is a black version

Laser based .47 DMD + Auto tone mapping + laser dimming. seeing MSRP of $3699 for this model.

no mention of 3D support which would be surprising since a number of less expensive. .47 DMD models work with 3D.




Really unfortunate that it uses the .47 chip.


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The real question is this basically an OEM rebadge or did JVC modify it?

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Ugg sorry but this makes no sense to me. They put effort into this modifying someone's DLP when they could keep all resources on a laser RS2000 and updating the RS4500. This is where companies spread themselves too thin trying to capture a market they are not in. Optima, Benq and some others already are there with these DLP's.

Sony knows who they are and seems to stay out of this market because it is a blood bath.

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Ugg sorry but this makes no sense to me. They put effort into this modifying someone's DLP when they could keep all resources on a laser RS2000 and updating the RS4500. This is where companies spread themselves too thin trying to capture a market they are not in. Optima, Benq and some others already are there with these DLP's.

Sony knows who they are and seems to stay out of this market because it is a blood bath.
https://www.sony.com/electronics/hom...ema-projectors

It looks to me like Sony has 11 projectors to JVCs 5. This DLP probably fills a niche for some of their customers.
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I received a CEDA Mag./newspaper with ads yesterday.
1 It seems JVC and Panasonic will be doing a joint presentation with there 9000player and JVC RX3000
2. There is an ad from Sony No new models mentioned.
3. Story about Epson projector No new real 4K models mentioned.

I hope that there will be a real 4k unit from Epson and Sony will have new models but so far there is nothing.
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I bet JVC will ad software for HDR10+ on current models. Especially if they don't come out with any real new models for the home theater marked this year.
I hope DV and its 12bit video will eventually become a reality on JVC models, but i have stopped holding my breath..

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I bet JVC will ad software for HDR10+ on current models. Especially if they don't come out with any real new models for the home theater marked this year.
I hope DV and its 12bit video will eventually become a reality on JVC models, but i have stopped holding my breath..
I think you will suffocate before DV becomes available for projectors. I just don't think they are bright enough. That being said there could be some firmware improvements.
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I recently saw a laser short throw projector and it sure didn't look like infinite contrast ratio to me.

(Mention that because with a native 4K projector laser is what I'm looking for next.)
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I think you will suffocate before DV becomes available for projectors. I just don't think they are bright enough. That being said there could be some firmware improvements.
The DV on the $300 direct view sets I've seen doesn't look all that bright. We all know that the HDR capabilities of a display don't say everything about it's capabilities. Does a DV set have to meet a certain level of nits? or can meeting other criteria of DV determine capability.

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The DV on the $300 direct view sets I've seen doesn't look all that bright. We all know that the HDR capabilities of a display don't say everything about it's capabilities. Does a DV set have to meet a certain level of nits? or can meeting other criteria of DV determine capability.

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I asked the people at the Dolby booth last year at CEDIA and they said that DV must meet a certain level of nits. They had no plans for a DV projector. I agree that some cheap direct view sets just seem to meet the criteria. I also think that JVC would have put something in there CEDIA ad about DV if it was going to happen. They just announced the joint JVC/Panasonic demo being planned.

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I think you will suffocate before DV becomes available for projectors. I just don't think they are bright enough. That being said there could be some firmware improvements.
Nothing is really bright enough for any of the existing HDR specs.
But still, i have big hopes DV will find a way and eventually become a reality on JVC and other projectors. Its just idiotic that we can't use a premium format in a premium home theater.

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I know it's a smaller panel than the LCOS projectors, and just a single panel, but if it's a real 3000lm then it's interesting from an engineering viewpoint that they've managed to tame the laser engine's size (and presumably heat) from the beast of the RS4500.
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I think you will suffocate before DV becomes available for projectors. I just don't think they are bright enough. That being said there could be some firmware improvements.
Not could be, there will be.
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The DV on the $300 direct view sets I've seen doesn't look all that bright. We all know that the HDR capabilities of a display don't say everything about it's capabilities. Does a DV set have to meet a certain level of nits? or can meeting other criteria of DV determine capability.

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It is the lack of locked in standards for front projection in the home that keeps us from getting DV. And there is no good answer for it, because we are talking to many variables, screen size, screen aspect ratio, screen gain, throw distance and different brightness on projectors. DV works in a cinema, because the system is designed and built to meet a certain spec.
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Ugg sorry but this makes no sense to me. They put effort into this modifying someone's DLP when they could keep all resources on a laser RS2000 and updating the RS4500. This is where companies spread themselves too thin trying to capture a market they are not in. Optima, Benq and some others already are there with these DLP's.

Sony knows who they are and seems to stay out of this market because it is a blood bath.

I have doubts whether your assessment is correct.


Many years ago Sony and Philips gave DLP technology a wide berth (Sony made only made one professional DLP projector in the late 1990's IIRC), officially because "they had doubts" in the longevity of DMDs (hence the Color Munsell Laboratory test that proved that all the LCDs failed after 3,000 hours while the DMDs did not) but AFAIK inofficially because they hated the idea to be forced to buy technology from a third party (Texas Instruments).
Last year Sony held a special meeting at IFA (don't expect the one this year to be different) where they apparently tried to coach dealers and journalists how and where to highlight advantages of SXRD over XPR DLP...


The BenQ HT5550 (W5700) was heralded as a new DLP projector occupying the vacant "middle field" among the many DLP projectors where DLP projectors with a real lens shift and a dynamic iris simply didn't exist in the past years.


What JVC is doing is to place another DLP projector in this aforementioned "middle field", it apparently has the same optical block like the HT5550 (kind and position of lens shift levers look identical), but forfeits the dynamic iris and features laser technology instead. Can't tell whether the LX-NZ3 was designed to compete with the HT5550 or complement its offering with laser technology (perhaps a mix of both). And the real lens shift the LX-NZ3 delivers a flexibility in Installation, Optoma's UHZ 65 never had...


Undoubtedly, JVC is equally aware as Sony of the sales success of XPR DLP projectors in 2017 and 2018. While all that Sony did in 2018 was basically to lament the success of these DLP projectors (I prematurely left the event to spend more time with N-series JVCs ), JVC is actually doing something about it. (Kudos!)


The large N-series projectors might not be everyone's choice (lower WAF) but with the LX-NZ3 (available in black or White, something BenQ failed to offer with the HT5550) JVC offers its customers a viable alternative - and I'm certain they'll get their share of DLP projector sales, too. As the # 2 in aforementioned "middle field" I'd speculate it's an almost foolproof decision.


What JVC is doing is not to put all their eggs in one basket. IMHO it's a clever move and TBPH I had been looking at the HT5550 as a possible upgrade for my home theater, but JVC has changed that with the announcement of the LX-NZ3.
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For Epson, I'm hoping for either a LS11000 with modern HDR implementation, possibly true 4K, or a 7050UB (6050UB with a laser light engine)

A 7050UB would be great for me as it would be more likely to come in close to my preferred <$5K budget.

An LS11000, if true 4k, would likely be priced outside the bounds of my budget. If it was faux K, it could be interesting as it would likely MSRP for less than the LS10500, which could be doable for my budget.

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For Epson, I'm hoping for either a LS11000 with modern HDR implementation, possibly true 4K, or a 7050UB (6050UB with a laser light engine)

A 7050UB would be great for me as it would be more likely to come in close to my preferred <$5K budget.

An LS11000, if true 4k, would likely be priced outside the bounds of my budget. If it was faux K, it could be interesting as it would likely MSRP for less than the LS10500, which could be doable for my budget.
Epson already announced that it is 3LCD, not LCOQ. They also said laser. What Epson has not said is if it will be native 4K or not.
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Epson already announced that it is 3LCD, not LCOQ. They also said laser. What Epson has not said is if it will be native 4K or not.
Epson's past "4Ke" projectors have trailed far behind DLP xpr and even JVC eshift in resolution, so if they can't execute native 4k here it would probably knock it out of the running for me. Epson does have native 4k 3lcd pro pjs so they can technically do it.
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Epson's past "4Ke" projectors have trailed far behind DLP xpr and even JVC eshift in resolution, so if they can't execute native 4k here it would probably knock it out of the running for me. Epson does have native 4k 3lcd pro pjs so they can technically do it.
Epson has shown a prototype native 4K 3LCD projector. It is supposed to ship end of this year.
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Epson already announced that it is 3LCD, not LCOQ. They also said laser. What Epson has not said is if it will be native 4K or not.
I am super excited to see what Epson bring, really looking forward to 4K with Laser from them. I haven't followed any projectors that were 3LCD vs LCOQ, what are the pros and cons here? Also do Epson usually have a game mode with their projectors?
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New Optoma laser pjs

Optoma ZK507 - looks like a uhz65 on steroids - 4k uhd, HDR, 3d [dlp link], 5000 lumens blue laser
https://www.optoma.com/ap/product/zk507/
$5,499 MSRP


Optoma ZK750 - 4k uhd, HDR, 3d [dlp link+vesa], 7500 lumens red/blue laser, interchangeable lenses, motorized lens, zoom, focus, and lens memory
https://www.optoma.com/us/product/zk750/
$17,999 MSRP


Optoma ZK1050 - 4k uhd, HDR, 3d [dlp link+vesa], 10000 lumens red/blue laser, interchangeable lenses, motorized lens, zoom, focus, and lens memory
https://www.optoma.com/us/product/zk1050/
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New Optoma laser pjs

Optoma ZK507 - looks like a uhz65 on steroids - 4k uhd, HDR, 3d [dlp link], 5000 lumens blue laser
https://www.optoma.com/ap/product/zk507/
$5,499 MSRP

Indeed it does. Apparently the introduction text is incorrect, claiming a "100% – 115% vertical lens shift for maximum flexibility."


Specifications only state "+15% Vertical" lens shift and the interactive lens shift illustration only illustrates a 15% lens shift.

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New Optoma laser pjs

Optoma ZK507 - looks like a uhz65 on steroids - 4k uhd, HDR, 3d [dlp link], 5000 lumens blue laser
https://www.optoma.com/ap/product/zk507/
$5,499 MSRP


Optoma ZK750 - 4k uhd, HDR, 3d [dlp link], 7500 lumens red/blue laser, interchangeable lenses, motorized lens, zoom, focus, and lens memory
https://www.optoma.com/us/product/zk750/
$17,999 MSRP


Optoma ZK1050 - 4k uhd, HDR, 3d [dlp link], 10000 lumens red/blue laser, interchangeable lenses, motorized lens, zoom, focus, and lens memory
https://www.optoma.com/us/product/zk1050/
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Wonder how the ZK750 and 1050 will perform for home cinema? I need to light up a 16' wide screen.
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Just checked the ZK750 user manual after a quick glance at the access panel. It features a 3D Sync Vesa port for a 3D-RF emitter and 3D-RF glasses.


So here we have it, Optoma provides 3D Sync Vesa ports either with its entry DLP projectors or with the 18,000 $ model - but nowhere in between.

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Just checked the ZK750 user manual after a quick glance at the access panel. It features a 3D Sync Vesa port for a 3D-RF emitter and 3D-RF glasses.


So here we have it, Optoma provides 3D Sync Vesa ports either with its entry DLP projectors or with the 18,000 $ model - but nowhere in between.
The ZK750 could be very interesting especially if Optoma axed the color wheel and instead went with laser cycling / green phosphor like LG did on their RB laser projectors.

Also worth noting Optoma projectors street price are at deep discount.
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