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You have madVR working, it will continue working. Why do you need envy in that case?
Well Mark, see if it does an amazing job on streaming then I may be in trouble. Remember we have Picard, Discovery, Lost in Space.....on and on for streaming and not disk.

Not doing anything until we see how things shake out with the firmware and some comparisons with Lumagen.

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I agree. I think this separate thread is for people like me who want to own a JVC true 4K projector but can't afford one right now but would like to hear about the firmware update without digging through the owners thread and hearing how amazing it is to own one of these JVC projectors. I get it . Someday. When they finally put a laser source in a sub $10k projector of the quality of the NX7 I made a promise to myself that I would break the bank.

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It has been stated that it should be in the first post of the owners thread. Once the update is available, I am sure that Arrow will add it. You will not have to read the whole thread. All relevant info on the projector should be listed in the first post and should be the best source for making a projector purchase decision.
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A different video. From IFA just after the 6min mark.

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How did I miss this thread. Is this for real - frame by frame HDR10 mapping. This will be EPIC.

I would love to compare what MadVR does vs what JVC does.


I hope this announcement about availability in October is better than their announcement about availability of the PJs themselves last october.

If this really works well - i will forgive JVC for the Yellow DI for which there is still no fix :-)

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How did I miss this thread. Is this for real - frame by frame HDR10 mapping. This will be EPIC.

I would love to compare what MadVR does vs what JVC does.


I hope this announcement about availability in October is better than their announcement about availability of the PJs themselves last october.

If this really works well - i will forgive JVC for the Yellow DI for which there is still no fix :-)
As far as we could tell at Cedia, it works damn well.
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From a German forum posted by Mach_5150. DTM Beta Testing v3.1 using a NX9 and a Panasonic 9000. Looking Good.
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From a German forum posted by Mach_5150. DTM Beta Testing. Looking Good.
The whole benefit of the DTM is that you can use low lamp right? Just as you can do with madvr?
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The whole benefit of the DTM is that you can use low lamp right? Just as you can do with madvr?
You don't necessarily have to use HDR in high lamp and same goes for the DTM. Even when I was not using MadVR, I used all my HDR material in low lamp. HDR has been implemented in different ways but tone mapping have been what projector owners have used. Tone mapping is used to map the highest peak lumens of a movie. So, if the highest peak lumen in a movie is 500 or 4000 nits, it will map the entire movie to that level. Basically, it's the worst case possible. The movie may have %95 under 100 nits but for a seconds it may be 500 or 4000 nits.

So, DTM measures HDR frame by frame or scene by scene. This helps improve the brightness of the image and helps to provide a more natural look. I use MadVR and HDR looks more natural. I have more contrast with a brighter image. I do believe that JVC DTM will have a similar experience with brightness levels as MadVR, however, MadVR offers more than just DTM.
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Does anyone know if this is really just frame by frame (without any kind of scene detection?)
You'd expect if it were just frame by frame for it to quite easily get tripped up.
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Does anyone know if this is really just frame by frame (without any kind of scene detection?)
You'd expect if it were just frame by frame for it to quite easily get tripped up.
I am hearing that it actually works pretty good. Not Lumagen good, but still pretty good. Definitely better than auto tone mapping. Should be a very welcome firmware update for those that do not have a Lumagen and even by those that have MadVR, since it can do all sources.
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I am hearing that it actually works pretty good. Not Lumagen good, but still pretty good. Definitely better than auto tone mapping. Should be a very welcome firmware update for those that do not have a Lumagen and even by those that have MadVR, since it can do all sources.
That sounds really good. This is going to save people thousands of dollars since the Lumagen and MadVR cost so much. Even if JVC's DTM is not as good as those, I'm sure it will be "good enough" for most people except the ones that are looking for absolute perfection. JVC shows again why they're so beloved with projector enthusiasts.
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Interesting, they are making the BT2020 filter toggleable from the advanced settings menu.
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Does anyone know if this is really just frame by frame (without any kind of scene detection?)

You'd expect if it were just frame by frame for it to quite easily get tripped up.


The screenshot suggest you can do frame by frame or scene by scene - this would be MadVR level goodness if they get the right scene detection in place.


Who knows maybe madshi licensed his tech to JVC




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The screenshot suggest you can do frame by frame or scene by scene - this would be MadVR level goodness if they get the right scene detection in place.


Who knows maybe madshi licensed his tech to JVC




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The screenshot suggest you can do frame by frame or scene by scene - this would be MadVR level goodness if they get the right scene detection in place.

Who knows maybe madshi licensed his tech to JVC
I doubt he has, it isn't at all appropriate for an FPGA. There are others who could have done but I doubt they have.

Scene by scene is pretty awesome though, be really interesting to see how good their scene detection is.
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Has any information come out in how this update will affect input lag for gaming?
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Has any information come out in how this update will affect input lag for gaming?
Input lag stays the same.
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Input lag stays the same.
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This may be a stupid question, but has anyone heard how this will work with regard to a calibrated projector? Does the processing perform the tone mapping against a default configuration within the projector? Or does it look at the incoming signal and make the necessary adjustments balanced against the settings stored in the projector?

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Input lag stays the same. [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]
Excellent news! Thanks Mike
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This may be a stupid question, but has anyone heard how this will work with regard to a calibrated projector? Does the processing perform the tone mapping against a default configuration within the projector? Or does it look at the incoming signal and make the necessary adjustments balanced against the settings stored in the projector?

Hi, for now no one know...this is still beta but i think there will be some option for calibration. With new FW they will release new autocal so they brings somethink new.
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Is there an official date for the FW release ? Can't wait to get my hands on this.
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Hi, for now no one know...this is still beta but i think there will be some option for calibration. With new FW they will release new autocal so they brings somethink new.
I don't think this should be a problem. A calibrated projector already has to be capable of displaying bright and dark images. Calibration is about setting white balance and color accuracy. Tone mapping just ensures that the image being displayed is of the right brightness (for the most part).
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