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imagic 09-05-2019 09:57 AM

JVC Announces Major HDR Update for 4K D-ILA Projectors
 
Full press release (provided by JVC):


JVC Projector Firmware Update Delivers Significantly Upgraded HDR Performance

New Frame Adapt HDR analyzes HDR10 content frame by frame and automatically optimizes brightness.

LONG BEACH, Calif, September 5, 2019 – Underscoring its commitment to offer the best possible home theater experience, JVC today announced a firmware update for its line of Native 4K D-ILA projectors that delivers a significant advancement in HDR performance. JVC will demonstrate this feature at the 2019 CEDIA Expo, September 12 - 14 in Denver at booth 2536.

This feature forward update adds JVC’s new Frame Adapt HDR function, which dynamically analyzes HDR10 picture level frame by frame and automatically adjusts the brightness & color to optimize HDR performance for each frame.

Because content brightness varies, a fixed setting cannot deliver optimum image quality. JVC’s new Frame Adapt HDR solves this by instantly analyzing the peak brightness of each frame or scene using a proprietary JVC algorithm, and adjusting dynamic range to provide the best possible HDR image. Frame Adapt HDR works with any HDR10 content, even content that does not contain brightness metadata (Max CLL/Max FALL).

MAIN FEATURES

1. Delivers images closer to reality

Dynamic range is adjusted in real time for optimal image projection. At the same time, saturation, hue, and brightness is analyzed and optimal corrections are made, which reduces color loss.

As a result, even within a single program, darker scenes have deeper blacks with enhanced color. Bright scenes have higher peak brightness without color loss while maintaining black level. All content is reproduced closer to what the human eye can see.

2. Compatible with all HDR10 content

Frame Adapt HDR adjustments are based on analysis of the input HDR10 signal. Therefore, it is effective on content with or without mastering information. As a result, all HDR10 content can be enjoyed with greater dynamic range and image quality than ever before.

3. Smooth gradation with 18-bit level gamma accuracy

The gamma processing accuracy, which in the past was based on 12-bit equivalent, has been improved to 18-bit and as a result gradation performance is dramatically improved. In any given scene, it reduces the banding effect in the bright portions and the crushing of dark portions. This provides accurate, smooth gradation along with higher average peak level brightness and increased color saturation, which has previously been a challenge with HDR content.

Other Improvements

* Support for 16x9 content when using a Panamorph Paladin DCR lens (adds Anamorphic D). It is now possible to leave a Paladin DCR lens in position and view both ultra-wide and 16x9 content correctly.
* Auto Calibration support for Spyder X sensor.
* Adds new presets to screen adjustment function.

The firmware will be available for download at no charge in October for the DLA-NX9, DLA-NX7 and DLA-NX5 as well as the DLA-RS3000, DLA-RS2000 and DLA-RS1000.

Link for download: https://www3.jvckenwood.com/english/...00_dla-rs1000/

DavidinGA 09-05-2019 10:16 AM

Sounds awesome.

Guess JVC owners won't need the new madVR ENVY hardware now for HDR.

Gates 09-05-2019 10:49 AM

Can't wait to try this out!

WisconsinEric 09-05-2019 10:54 AM

This sounds fantastic.

skylarlove1999 09-05-2019 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by imagic (Post 58516822)
Full press release (provided by JVC):





JVC Projector Firmware Update Delivers Significantly Upgraded HDR Performance



New Frame Adapt HDR analyzes HDR10 content frame by frame and automatically optimizes brightness.



LONG BEACH, Calif, September 5, 2019 – Underscoring its commitment to offer the best possible home theater experience, JVC today announced a firmware update for its line of Native 4K D-ILA projectors that delivers a significant advancement in HDR performance. JVC will demonstrate this feature at the 2019 CEDIA Expo, September 12 - 14 in Denver at booth 2536.



This feature forward update adds JVC’s new Frame Adapt HDR function, which dynamically analyzes HDR10 picture level frame by frame and automatically adjusts the brightness & color to optimize HDR performance for each frame.



Because content brightness varies, a fixed setting cannot deliver optimum image quality. JVC’s new Frame Adapt HDR solves this by instantly analyzing the peak brightness of each frame or scene using a proprietary JVC algorithm, and adjusting dynamic range to provide the best possible HDR image. Frame Adapt HDR works with any HDR10 content, even content that does not contain brightness metadata (Max CLL/Max FALL).



MAIN FEATURES



1. Delivers images closer to reality



Dynamic range is adjusted in real time for optimal image projection. At the same time, saturation, hue, and brightness is analyzed and optimal corrections are made, which reduces color loss.



As a result, even within a single program, darker scenes have deeper blacks with enhanced color. Bright scenes have higher peak brightness without color loss while maintaining black level. All content is reproduced closer to what the human eye can see.



2. Compatible with all HDR10 content



Frame Adapt HDR adjustments are based on analysis of the input HDR10 signal. Therefore, it is effective on content with or without mastering information. As a result, all HDR10 content can be enjoyed with greater dynamic range and image quality than ever before.



3. Smooth gradation with 18-bit level gamma accuracy



The gamma processing accuracy, which in the past was based on 12-bit equivalent, has been improved to 18-bit and as a result gradation performance is dramatically improved. In any given scene, it reduces the banding effect in the bright portions and the crushing of dark portions. This provides accurate, smooth gradation along with higher average peak level brightness and increased color saturation, which has previously been a challenge with HDR content.



Other Improvements



* Support for 16x9 content when using a Panamorph Paladin DCR lens (adds Anamorphic D). It is now possible to leave a Paladin DCR lens in position and view both ultra-wide and 16x9 content correctly.

* Auto Calibration support for Spyder X sensor.

* Adds new presets to screen adjustment function.



The firmware will be available for download at no charge in October for the DLA-NX9, DLA-NX7 and DLA-NX5 as well as the DLA-RS3000, DLA-RS2000 and DLA-RS1000.



Link for download: https://www3.jvckenwood.com/english/...00_dla-rs1000/

Mark thank you for posting this this seems like an angel coming down from heaven to give projector owners truly transforming HDR. Now just to get that second job so I can afford a JVC NX7. It will be worth it.

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Javs 09-05-2019 01:41 PM

Wow this is massive news.

Can anybody say Nail in coffin?

skylarlove1999 09-05-2019 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Javs (Post 58517910)
Wow this is massive news.

Can anybody say Nail in coffin?

Let's hold that eulogy for a couple days. We don't know what the Epson projector is going to do tomorrow. I know it's probably not going to come true but maybe JVC did this because they know the new Epson projector is going to have Dynamic tone mapping, a laser with 3000 lumens and Native 4K all for $8,000

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noah katz 09-05-2019 02:43 PM

I wonder why this is only for 4k pj's.

Eshift pj's that accept 4k input would benefit just as much, right?

WisconsinEric 09-05-2019 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noah katz (Post 58518176)
I wonder why this is only for 4k pj's.

Eshift pj's that accept 4k input would benefit just as much, right?

Maybe their processing capabilities aren't up to the task, or just a matter of development resources? Not sure.

Mike Garrett 09-05-2019 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WisconsinEric (Post 58518216)
Maybe their processing capabilities aren't up to the task, or just a matter of development resources? Not sure.

Correct. Do not know yet if the 4500 will even be able to do this. Anything before these new models does not have the horsepower, from my understanding.

markmon1 09-05-2019 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Garrett (Post 58518380)
Correct. Do not know yet if the 4500 will even be able to do this. Anything before these new models does not have the horsepower, from my understanding.

Honestly it should be possible in the RS4500. It is already doing frame by frame measurements to manage the dynamic laser dimming and gamma adjustments with the dimming. The HDR tone mapping is basically the same thing - it just uses the same measured data to adjust the gamma on the fly. This should be possible on the RS4500. More likely it's a memory issue that some other feature may need to be removed to make space on the flash chip.

plain fan 09-05-2019 04:15 PM

Will this be the official thread for this update? So that interested people can just follow a single thread instead of trying to keep up with xxxxx many threads?

Toe 09-05-2019 04:15 PM

Wow, talk about an impressive FW update! :eek: Very cool! :cool:

imagic 09-05-2019 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by plain fan (Post 58518586)
Will this be the official thread for this update? So that interested people can just follow a single thread instead of trying to keep up with xxxxx many threads?

I don’t see why not. Since it’s first, duplicate threads will be merged with it.

Bytehoven 09-05-2019 05:11 PM

Congrats NX/RS 4k projector owners. Apparently an old dog can learn new tricks. ;)

Curious how this plays with the panny ub9000 joint demo?

jmonier 09-05-2019 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by imagic (Post 58518616)
I don’t see why not. Since it’s first, duplicate threads will be merged with it.

There were already a number of posts about this topic on the "Official" thread for these projectors. So this is not really the "first". Now this makes an extra one that I have to keep up with. I'd rather have it all in that thread.

imagic 09-05-2019 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmonier (Post 58518792)
There were already a number of posts about this topic on the "Official" thread for these projectors. So this is not really the "first". Now this makes an extra one that I have to keep up with. I'd rather have it all in that thread.

Oh well OK. Not sure what to tell ya. This thread will be tied to a homepage post so it’s not going anywhere. ;)

skylarlove1999 09-05-2019 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmonier (Post 58518792)
There were already a number of posts about this topic on the "Official" thread for these projectors. So this is not really the "first". Now this makes an extra one that I have to keep up with. I'd rather have it all in that thread.

This is the first official thread dedicated to just the upcoming firmware update. It makes sense to have just a JVC 4K projector Firmware thread since it is easier to read reviews of the update here once it happens than searching through that voluminous owner's thread. Since the posts here should hopefully just be about the firmware update it will be extremely narrow in scope. Thanks again Mark.

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skylarlove1999 09-05-2019 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by imagic (Post 58518822)
Oh well OK. Not sure what to tell ya. This thread tied to the homepage post so it’s not going anywhere. ;)

Thank you Mark Henninger AVS forum Editor. This thread is exactly where it should be. Should be a nice quick easy way to obtain info about the firmware updates instead of searching in the rather intimidating owner's thread.

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Mike Garrett 09-05-2019 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by markmon1 (Post 58518560)
Honestly it should be possible in the RS4500. It is already doing frame by frame measurements to manage the dynamic laser dimming and gamma adjustments with the dimming. The HDR tone mapping is basically the same thing - it just uses the same measured data to adjust the gamma on the fly. This should be possible on the RS4500. More likely it's a memory issue that some other feature may need to be removed to make space on the flash chip.

I agree that they should be able to add the DTM, but JVC may not be able to add the anamorphic D mode.

Mike Garrett 09-05-2019 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skylarlove1999 (Post 58518852)
Thank you Mark Henninger AVS forum Editor. This thread is exactly where it should be. Should be a nice quick easy way to obtain info about the firmware updates instead of searching in the rather intimidating owner's thread.

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Really should be in the first post of owners threads. That way everything is consolidated. If kept here, then title needs to be changed, because this update does not apply to all of the current JVC D-ILA projectors. 4500 as of right now does not get any of these goodies. 4500 may get some of them at a later date, but not part of this firmware update.

jmonier 09-05-2019 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skylarlove1999 (Post 58518852)
Thank you Mark Henninger AVS forum Editor. This thread is exactly where it should be. Should be a nice quick easy way to obtain info about the firmware updates instead of searching in the rather intimidating owner's thread.

I certainly understand your point. The problem is that there were quite a number of posts about this in the owners thread before this thread even existed, so some people will end up continuing to post there and some will post here, and thus the "nice quick easy way" won't exist anyway.

blee0120 09-06-2019 01:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmonier (Post 58519692)
I certainly understand your point. The problem is that there were quite a number of posts about this in the owners thread before this thread even existed, so some people will end up continuing to post there and some will post here, and thus the "nice quick easy way" won't exist anyway.

Plus, owner's and potential owners will go to the owner's thread to ask questions. Why go to a separate thread to ask about firmware updates?

skylarlove1999 09-06-2019 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blee0120 (Post 58519862)
Plus, owner's and potential owners will go to the owner's thread to ask questions. Why go to a separate thread to ask about firmware updates?

Why buy milk and eggs at a convenience store when you can go and spend fifteen minutes to find a parking space and stand in long checkout line for another 15 minutes to buy a gallon of milk and a carton of eggs?

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GregCh 09-06-2019 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skylarlove1999 (Post 58524046)
Why buy milk and eggs at a convenience store when you can go and spend fifteen minutes to find a parking space and stand in long checkout line for another 15 minutes to buy a gallon of milk and a carton of eggs?

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You missed the point of Mike's post. This info should be placed in the first post of the Owner's Thread where it will be readily available and easy to find. That is where Arrow-AV has been placing all relevant info on the new NX/RS series of projectors. It really is only pertinent to Owner's of these projectors after all.

skylarlove1999 09-06-2019 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregCh (Post 58524104)
You missed the point of Mike's post. This info should be placed in the first post of the Owner's Thread where it will be readily available and easy to find. That is where Arrow-AV has been placing all relevant info on the new NX/RS series of projectors. It really is only pertinent to Owner's of these projectors after all.

I got his point. Sorry you missed mine. So only owners of a JVC true 4K projector are allowed to read the owners thread or the firmware update? I have this crazy notion that I was able to consume whatever content I want, how I want, when I want and where I want because I am a grown man. I wasn't aware that had changed.

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Highjinx 09-06-2019 06:29 PM

Prediction: Next generation Panasonic UHD players will be able to do the same!

skylarlove1999 09-06-2019 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Highjinx (Post 58524182)
Prediction: Next generation Panasonic UHD players will be able to do the same!

You just blew my mind. Are you from the future? You make a great prediction. But why not do it via firmware update like JVC is doing? Because then Panasonic couldn't get us all to ditch our year old UHD players to buy another one. JVC owners would have rioted in the streets if JVC had introduced a new projector line with this dynamic tone mapping. I get it . Up to $17K for the projector you get more for free like this amazing improvement via a firmware update. I really don't expect the same from Panasonic.

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Highjinx 09-06-2019 06:49 PM

I think the madVR Envy, should be safe at the high end, it's bound to have significantly more processing power and capabilities.

skylarlove1999 09-06-2019 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Highjinx (Post 58524236)
I think the madVR Envy, should be safe at the high end, it's bound to have significantly more processing power and capabilities.

I think the madVR Envy is finally going to be introduced at CEDIA. It has to be amazing after all the hype behind it. Still wonder what the price point will be. Are we talking hundreds , thousands or ten thousand? Should know soon.

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