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If all the rest is good it's ok for me, the resolution is not the most important for me, and I want a projector with low input lag, so for the moment I was waiting for the optoma, but this one could have a better picture in general.

Not sure the Optoma's going to help you there, with 55ms. Not seen any details if there's a "gaming" mode you can put it in, but that's going to really affect FPSes.


Am hoping this Epson will have less lag!
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Some more info here:
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EH-LS500W/B key features:
  • Ultra-short-throw
  • Up to 130-inch display
  • 4K PRO-UHD 1
  • HDR10 & HLG (18Gbps)
  • 100 – 10,000nit HDR range
  • Laser light source
  • 3LCD Technology
  • Equally high white and colour light: 4,000 lumens
  • 2,500,000:1 dynamic contrast ratio
  • Detail Enhancement
  • Long-lasting laser light source - watch your favourite content for the next 10 years 2
  • Five-year warranty (or 12,000 hours)
  • Optional Wi-Fi connectivity (via adapter ELPAP10)
  • 2 x Built-in 10w speaker
  • iProjection
  • HDMI inputs x3
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Is this a re-design of the LS10500 that has been re-packaged for UST? If it is, it's a bargain.

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Epson LS500 Ultra Short Throw 4K

These UST projectors seem to be the future if the picture quality is really good. What’s been the consensus for picture quality for the most recent ones that have been released? How is the upscaling processing as well?
Edit: not for gaming though if the input lag is 40-55 ms. Way too high.

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These UST projectors seem to be the future if the picture quality is really good. What’️s been the consensus for picture quality for the most recent ones that have been released? How is the upscaling processing as well?
Edit: not for gaming though if the input lag is 40-55 ms. Way too high.

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Future? It's already present for USTs and picture is awesome. Don't care for gaming so input lag isn't an issue, I have VR for that which is actually the future of media consumption with large image. Occasionally I watch netfix on my Oculus Quest and it's decent. Of course I prefer my UST projector because VR is not comfortable for long sessions yet and image still could use improvement.

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Future? It's already present for USTs and picture is awesome. Don't care for gaming so input lag isn't an issue, I have VR for that which is actually the future of media consumption with large image. Occasionally I watch netfix on my Oculus Quest and it's decent. Of course I prefer my UST projector because VR is not comfortable for long sessions yet and image still could use improvement.


Present huh. Really? How many people out of a 100 have one in their home right now? They aren’t even a blip on the radar right now with U.S. consumers, and likely won’t be for at least 2-3 years min. Likely longer.


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Is this a re-design of the LS10500 that has been re-packaged for UST? If it is, it's a bargain.

It's not. LS10500 is miles ahead...RLCD, superp laser diming + manual iris and much more. The UST does what it's name tells you. ultra short throw. That's it.

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Judging from those numbers alone I agree with you, but watching movies on it it’s quite enjoyable. I usually prefer it over my Panasonic oled for most of the content.
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Present huh. Really? How many people out of a 100 have one in their home right now? They aren’t even a blip on the radar right now with U.S. consumers, and likely won’t be for at least 2-3 years min. Likely longer.


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I meant laser USTs they have been out for a while, I had one for a year almost, this Epson just got announced among of other interesting options. Although, I've decided to order P1 to upgrade from my Xiaomi.

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Not sure the Optoma's going to help you there, with 55ms. Not seen any details if there's a "gaming" mode you can put it in, but that's going to really affect FPSes.


Am hoping this Epson will have less lag!

Kaine told me that it's possible that the input lag will be around '24 ms like the TW9400', however he didn't test it, I think it's only assumption based on the hardware. My sony HW55-ES as 22ms and this is enough for me to play every kind of game, so I hope this will be true, we will see when it will be reviewed
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Kaine told me that it's possible that the input lag will be around '24 ms like the TW9400', however he didn't test it, I think it's only assumption based on the hardware. My sony HW55-ES as 22ms and this is enough for me to play every kind of game, so I hope this will be true, we will see when it will be reviewed

Yeah, I'm in a similar position, using an old BenQ 1080ST with roughly 25ms, so if it's near the 30ms range, that's workable. :-) Well, unless I just get used to going round corners and dying more often out of nowhere :-)
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Full product page for the EU (in English too!)

https://www.epson.eu/products/projec...nema/eh-ls500w

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https://neon.epson-europe.com/conten...name=EH-LS500W
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I see that in eco mode is listed at 1200 lumens which means way better contrast than ls100 which in eco has 2800 lumens.
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Well this is bad news. Price is out of my range. Optoma here I come.


https://www.engadget.com/2019/09/12/...row-projector/


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The price seems to be the price with a 100" or 120" included, and the screen seems overpriced. This projector is already sold on Epson France website and the official price is 3.024,20 Euro in most other European country the price is 2999 Euro. The price of electronics products in France is always higher than in USA so I think the price in USA without screen will be 2999 Dollars or less. You can then buy it and buy a cheaper screen or reuse one if you have one.
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Well this is bad news. Price is out of my range. Optoma here I come.


https://www.engadget.com/2019/09/12/...row-projector/


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Thanks. Just checked and it is for sale in France. So I’m wondering when it will be available here in the states. The article mentioned early 2020, but i wonder if that is with the screen combo.


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Sorry but according to this new video
it seems the projector is only sold with a screen in USA, that's strange that the projector is sold in Europe first and without a screen and later in USA and only in bundle.
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But on the different video we see that it seems that the projector need a long distance from the wall for an UST The documentation is available in the russian epson website and using google translate, it seems that it need 76cm from the back for a 100" screen, I hope a get wrong because that's a lot.
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But on the different video we see that it seems that the projector need a long distance from the wall for an UST The documentation is available in the russian epson website and using google translate, it seems that it need 76cm from the back for a 100" screen, I hope a get wrong because that's a lot.
Wow, that is a long way back from the screen surface, for sure. I thought I had read somewhere that the throw ratio was 0.29, but can't find that information, now?


Edit: I think I found the information - this seems to have a zoom feature:

Projection Ratio
0.27 - 0.37:1
Zoom
Digital, Factor: 1 - 1.35

That ratio is still not spectacular, at all
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Who makes the screen? Model?

Interesting to say the least...

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Does this thing have HDMI 2.1?
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I'm going to very disappointed and surprised if they only sell it as a package deal.

What a bummer.

I'm pretty sure it isn't not HDMI 2.1.

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Epson Introduces LS500 Laser Projection TV at CEDIA 2019

Full press release:


Introducing the Epson Laser Projection TV

Be Amazed.

With an immersive 4K HDR viewing experience, Epson Laser Projection TV1 represents a new generation of digital projection that redefines the everyday television experience by offering a stunning picture up to 120-Inches.
Equipped with Epson’s proprietary 4K PRO-UHD2 3LCD technology, Epson Laser Projection TV combines an advanced Ultra Short Throw Laser Projector – along with an Ultra High-Definition Ambient Light Rejecting Screen – to produce vivid colors and deep blacks for an exceptionally bright, colorful, and sharp picture – in virtually any viewing environment.
Whether you’re watching a live sporting event, streaming your favorite series, gaming on the latest generation of consoles, or simply watching a blockbuster movie, Epson Laser Projection TV will simply amaze you.

Key Features

A Complete Solution – The Epson LS500 Laser Projection TV combines an advanced ultra-short throw laser projector with an ultra-high definition ambient light rejecting screen with unique optical layering technology to produce vivid colors and deep blacks for an exceptionally bright, colorful, and sharp picture – in virtually any type of viewing environment.

An Immersive Display up to 120 inches – As an alternative to traditional LCD and OLED TVs, the Epson LS500 Laser Projection TV represents a new generation of digital projection that redefines the everyday television experience by offering a stunning picture available in both 100-inch or 120-inch screen sizes.

4K PRO-UHD3 Projection Technology – A new type of 4K projection technology utilizing advanced processing for resolution enhancement, color, and image processing – resulting in an exceptionally sharp picture.

Incredibly Bright Picture2 – Capable of displaying 4K HDR content at an exceptional level of brightness for both color and white content. This not only provides for an amazing viewing experience but sets a new standard in this class of projection – allowing for all-day viewing in virtually any lighting environment.

Advanced HDR Processing – Full 10-bit color processing accepting 100 percent of the HDR source information to faithfully reproduce HDR content for an exceptional visual performance.

Outstanding Color Accuracy5 – Advanced 3-Chip 3LCD technology displays 100 percent of the RGB color signal for every frame. This allows for the Rec. 709 color space to be displayed for outstanding color accuracy.

Amazing Contrast – Advanced black density control individually pulses the laser light emitting from the Epson Dynamic Laser Array diodes to precisely suppress stray light within the signal – producing an incredible Dynamic Contrast Ratio exceeding 2,500,000:1.

Digital Image Processing – Realtime 12-bit analog-to-digital video processing for smooth tonal transitions, while helping to eliminate banding, blocking, and other compression artifacts from the final visual performance. This powerful processor faithfully reproduces the source material the way it was intended to be shown.

Latest 18 Gbps HDMI 2.0 with ARC Support – Fully compatible with virtually all color formats, depths, and spaces while simultaneously supporting 4K HDR content at a full 60 Hz. This allows for outstanding compatibility with the latest 4K HDR content and next-generation gaming hardware.

Powered by Google – Included Android TV operating system with a simple-to-use remote – includes voice search with built-in Google Assistant. Watch all your favorite streaming channels including Netflix, HBO, Showtime, YouTube, Hulu, ESPN and more. Even stream live TV with apps like PlayStation Vue and YouTube TV.

Award-Winning Service & Support – Standard two-year limited warranty, along with free technical phone support for the life of the product.

Product Availability & Pricing
The Epson LS500 Laser Projection TV will be available in the first quarter of 2020 through Magnolia and Professional Home Theater Installers. The Epson Laser Projection TV will be available in black and white models with 100-inch (MSRP $4,999) and 120-inch (MSRP $5,999) SKUs.




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Will they offer the projector without the screen?

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Great question. My guess is not at first.

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One demo spot had it with a Screen Innovations screen, so they are showing it that way

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One demo spot had it with a Screen Innovations screen, so they are showing it that way
Thank you Mark. Maybe you could ask and also the MSRP of just the player ?

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maybe i missed it somewhere but is this an E-shifter or true 4k ?
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But on the different video we see that it seems that the projector need a long distance from the wall for an UST The documentation is available in the russian epson website and using google translate, it seems that it need 76cm from the back for a 100" screen, I hope a get wrong because that's a lot.

I'd be very surprised if it needed to be that far back and even if it did, I wonder if that figure includes the dept the unit as well, so in reality, it might be less than suspected.
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