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Looking forward to this. Anyone know the input lag?

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Sorry but according to this new video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgWdA6ncvtQ it seems the projector is only sold with a screen in USA, that's strange that the projector is sold in Europe first and without a screen and later in USA and only in bundle.
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But on the different video we see that it seems that the projector need a long distance from the wall for an UST The documentation is available in the russian epson website and using google translate, it seems that it need 76cm from the back for a 100" screen, I hope a get wrong because that's a lot.
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Does this thing have HDMI 2.1?

So according to that video they're 18Gb ports so HDMI 2.0 but then there's not too much need for HDMI 2.1 on this. Then again, he also said it has Android TV built into it where I do not see that mentioned *anywhere* else and also, if that where the case, why the hell do they have an Nvida Shield TV plugged into it as well.



It does also look like it's placed back A LONG way for what's supposed to be a UST projector. Short throw maybe but it doesn't look UST at all for that screen size.....
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maybe i missed it somewhere but is this an E-shifter or true 4k ?
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It does also look like it's placed back A LONG way for what's supposed to be a UST projector. Short throw maybe but it doesn't look UST at all for that screen size.....
good catch, unless they zoomed out for demo, doubt anyone would have a reason to place it that far out unless it's for ceiling mount purposes.
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good catch, unless they zoomed out for demo, doubt anyone would have a reason to place it that far out unless it's for ceiling mount purposes.

Exactly.


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If it has built in Android TV, why do they have an Nvidia Shield TV (arguably the best Android TV box out there) plugged in:

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If it has built in Android TV, why do they have an Nvidia Shield TV (arguably the best Android TV box out there) plugged in:

Haha, that's exactly my setup but with Xiaomi with Shield hanging in the back. Xiaomi built-in android lacks Netflix, perhaps same issue with Epson

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76 cm for 100" doesn't seem "ULTRA" at all. Seem more like Short throw. 76 cm is 30 inches. You have to place it more than 2.5 ft away for 100". That's not ultra. We need to confirm this.
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This is what I found on the russian doc (I don't speak russian anyway but try to translate it with google translator), maybe they make a mistake and it's not centimeter but millimeter. I also agree I don't see anything related to Android in epson website or in this documentation. That's crazy if their commercial lie like that. The only things related is that you can use epson iProjection with this projector (an app for ios and android), and they also let a slot in front of the projector to put an amazon firestick or chrome cast, so it will be even more strange that they put this slot and have android also already integrated.





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In Epson USA website (https://news.epson.com/news/LS500-laser-projection-tv) they talk about android tv, so it's maybe not included in the European but only in US
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I've already created a topic about this projector ( https://www.avsforum.com/forum/68-di...projector.html )
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But on the different video we see that it seems that the projector need a long distance from the wall for an UST The documentation is available in the russian epson website and using google translate, it seems that it need 76cm from the back for a 100" screen, I hope a get wrong because that's a lot.
This seems to be correct according to the Epson UK website

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Now that I look at that image I see how far it as well for what looks like a 100". So Epson introduced new kind of UST called SUST (SemiUST).


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Yeah, that coffee table/console is very deep. I just measured my family room console which is 21.5 inches, pretty standard in the US. And I also have 5 inches of gap between wall and back of console for all the wires, so 26.5" total. But I need 30 inches for 100 inch image, so I would need to put it a few inches away in front of my console. I'd need a tripod. The unit is also about 14.75 inches deep. You need about 15.75 inches to get 65 inch image. I can't even do that without a tripod. Why would you design a UST that would be in no man's land in most homes?
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Now that I look at that image I see how far it as well for what looks like a 100". So Epson introduced new kind of UST called SUST (SemiUST).
It would appear so. Maybe they will market it with fancy terminology..... "We at Epson are thrilled to introduce a new, exciting technology.... quasi-ultra short throw"....
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The more I read about it, the less impressed I am. I’ve already seen the words “limited color range” and mention of so-so contrast. Not to mention the throw ratio and packaging it with a screen that I don’t need.

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Anyone know the input lag?

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This is what I found on the russian doc (I don't speak russian anyway but try to translate it with google translator), maybe they make a mistake and it's not centimeter but millimeter. I also agree I don't see anything related to Android in epson website or in this documentation. That's crazy if their commercial lie like that. The only things related is that you can use epson iProjection with this projector (an app for ios and android), and they also let a slot in front of the projector to put an amazon firestick or chrome cast, so it will be even more strange that they put this slot and have android also already integrated.





It's in CM in the top pic and MM in the bottom pic. This is crazy, they have effectively killed their one and only decent UST projector, the LS100. Why does it have to be placed so far away? It has to be 75CM away from the screen for a 120" screen, with the actual back of the unit being another 14.2CM behind that, so a total of 89.2CM or 35.11", the back of the unit is basically THREE FEET away from the wall. That's crazy, what on earth are they thinking?! That has effectively killed it in my opinion.

This should have been simple, update the LS100 with e-Shift (I would have preferred native 4k but I guess Epson still isn't feeling the pressure yet). There should be a cheaper version and a UB version with significantly better contrast. Right now they're charging UB prices for projector with really bad contrast.
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Looks like 375mm for the projector and 75cm from the screen. I come up with about 44 1/4" away from the screen for a 120" screen?
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Looks like 375mm for the projector and 75cm from the screen. I come up with about 44 1/4" away from the screen for a 120" screen?
75cm from screen to the front of the lens, the front of the unit to the front of the lens according to the second diagram is 375mm - 233mm = 142mm/14.2cm. 75cm + 14.2cm = 89.2cm / 35.11" from the front of the unit to the screen/(or wall if it's flat).
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It's in CM in the top pic and MM in the bottom pic. This is crazy, they have effectively killed their one and only decent UST projector, the LS100. Why does it have to be placed so far away? It has to be 75CM away from the screen for a 120" screen, with the actual back of the unit being another 14.2CM behind that, so a total of 89.2CM or 35.11", the back of the unit is basically THREE FEET away from the wall. That's crazy, what on earth are they thinking?! That has effectively killed it in my opinion.

This should have been simple, update the LS100 with e-Shift (I would have preferred native 4k but I guess Epson still isn't feeling the pressure yet). There should be a cheaper version and a UB version with significantly better contrast. Right now they're charging UB prices for projector with really bad contrast.
This looks to me like an interim product that was hurried out the door because the planned product encountered some major issues. Could be engineering issues, could be marketing or financial issues. For instance, this thing looks klugy with the strange "add-on" lens pod and the distance problem. Perhaps the real product, smooth looking like the competition, had serious tech problems or the product cost was to high to offer it at a competitive price. I was in computer product development. So many things can happen to delay an announcement and a delivery. It was often necessary to quickly develop an interim product made out of pieces from predecessors to bridge the gap. This kluge looks like one of those.

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This looks to me like an interim product that was hurried out the door because the planned product encountered some major issues. Could be engineering issues, could be marketing or financial issues. For instance, this thing looks klugy with the strange "add-on" lens pod and the distance problem. Perhaps the real product, smooth looking like the competition, had serious tech problems or the product cost was to high to offer it at a competitive price. I was in computer product development. So many things can happen to delay an announcement and a delivery. It was often necessary to quickly develop an interim product made out of pieces from predecessors to bridge the gap. This kluge looks like one of those.
You could be right but not necessarily because of the lens design as it looks exactly like their ELPX02 lens. I am guessing what the LS500 actually is, rushed out the door to compete with the recent UST "TVs", is a modified Prolite L400U chassis with e-Shift enabled and slapped/packaged together with their ELPX02 lens in a single unit.



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Couldn't Epson use their reflective LCOS for this projector?

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Couldn't Epson use their reflective LCOS for this projector?
They could do lots of things like actually start putting out native 4k panels, better contrast panels and changing the 5050/6050 or the 3xxx line to laser, all kinds of things but clearly they're not feeling the market pressure enough to do so.
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Outstanding Color Accuracy5 – Advanced 3-Chip 3LCD technology displays 100 percent of the RGB color signal for every frame. This allows for the Rec. 709 color space to be displayed for outstanding color accuracy.
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Is this marketing speak and it's really only Rec. 709?!?!?!


That hands on article BuddyLee posted seems to claim so...
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Is this marketing speak and it's really only Rec. 709?!?!?!


That hands on article BuddyLee posted seems to claim so...
It would be consistent with Epson's approach that if a projector does not have the Cinema filter (that cuts light output in half) turned on then the color gamut will be relatively limited, in this case not reaching rec.709.. That does not mean it can't get past rec.709, just not without the filter activated but that's me guessing. Hopefully I'll review it and put a meter to it, or someone else will. But again it's worth remembering Epson sees this as a living room projector for sports and TV, not home theater per se. Brightness is the goal and with lights out you can switch to having improved color saturation and deeper blacks be the goal.

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In this video (in french)
the guy say that the LS500 will have a 1440:1 contrast (it compared it to the LS100 who had a 300:1 contrast so it should be honest)
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This might be picky, but it also annoyed me with the LG HU85L model ... *WHY WHITE?*
If it's going to be placed in a (likely usually) dark room... why would we want glowing white plastic up front?

Will Epson do the same trick as the pro series projectors? Black available if you want to pay more?
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