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Can you please tell if it can be wall mounted to project upside down?
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My two rooms that I use for the tests are equipped with ALR screens but they are not dedicated dark rooms.
Ah, I should have been more clear. I am a very typical projector owner and do not have a dedicated room either. My projection room is like most family rooms where projection is not the main purpose but a popular one: dark, thick curtains and the carpet is dark but the walls are white. My house is 300 years old and there is no wall to put a fixed screen. I cannot even open my front door when my electric screen is down


So all I am asking is if you can try the projector on a normal white screen in a normal family room with the lights off. I used to review kit many years ago and am not asking for hours of your time. No figures, no measurements, just something subjective. As not many can afford a dedicated room, surely plenty of people would be interested, yes?



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can anyone offer advice,video,procedure on mounting a 100" fixed frame screen in a corner?
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can anyone offer advice,video,procedure on mounting a 100" fixed frame screen in a corner?
Cut a 2x6 the length needed, with 45 degree angles on each end and secure to the wall, right below top of screen height. Do the same just above bottom of screen height. fasten wall cleat to top 2x6 and hang the screen.
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Cut a 2x6 the length needed, with 45 degree angles on each end and secure to the wall, right below top of screen height. Do the same just above bottom of screen height. fasten wall cleat to top 2x6 and hang the screen.
That's the way I would do it. Another thing worth mentioning is your 2x6's aren't likely to land on a stud. So I would put some blocks that run horizontally behind the long 2x6's that are fastened to a couple studs. Then run some screws through the long 45 degree cut 2x6's into those blocks.
Hope I didn't make that sound confusing.
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And here is the complete test of the Epson EH-LS500B is in line with all the brightness, contrast, colorimetry and Gamma measurements in a table as well as recommended settings. It is available in French and English here:


https://www.passionhomecinema.fr/blo...is-de-gregory/
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And here is the complete test of the Epson EH-LS500B is in line with all the brightness, contrast, colorimetry and Gamma measurements in a table as well as recommended settings. It is available in French and English here:


https://www.passionhomecinema.fr/blo...is-de-gregory/


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That's the way I would do it. Another thing worth mentioning is your 2x6's aren't likely to land on a stud. So I would put some blocks that run horizontally behind the long 2x6's that are fastened to a couple studs. Then run some screws through the long 45 degree cut 2x6's into those blocks.
Hope I didn't make that sound confusing.
Yes, Cut a 45 on the end of these blocks and that gives you a good connection point for the long 2x6.
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And here is the complete test of the Epson EH-LS500B is in line with all the brightness, contrast, colorimetry and Gamma measurements in a table as well as recommended settings. It is available in French and English here:


https://www.passionhomecinema.fr/blo...is-de-gregory/
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WOW, 6000+ contrast and 20ms input lag. I wonder if P1/UHZ65UST can compete with these values.

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WOW, 6000+ contrast and 20ms input lag. I wonder if P1/UHZ65UST can compete with these values.


To be fair that was dynamic contrast. The native contrast was still good at just uner 1,300:1 but not as good as most of the DLP UST’s with their 2,000:1 contrast ratios. Still this looks like an excellent projector. And hats off to Epson for releasing it so soon after announcement, no delays, and offering a competitive price. Considering the added complexity of a three chip lcd design, I’m really shocked that not only were they competitive with the dlp competitors but substantially less expensive.
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To be fair that was dynamic contrast. The native contrast was still good at just uner 1,300:1 but not as good as most of the DLP UST’s with their 2,000:1 contrast ratios. Still this looks like an excellent projector. And hats off to Epson for releasing it so soon after announcement, no delays, and offering a competitive price. Considering the added complexity of a three chip lcd design, I’m really shocked that not only were they competitive with the dlp competitors but substantially less expensive.
Anybody measuring a DLP UST projector at 2,000:1 native contrast, I don't believe their number.
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To be fair that was dynamic contrast. The native contrast was still good at just uner 1,300:1 but not as good as most of the DLP UST’s with their 2,000:1 contrast ratios. Still this looks like an excellent projector. And hats off to Epson for releasing it so soon after announcement, no delays, and offering a competitive price. Considering the added complexity of a three chip lcd design, I’m really shocked that not only were they competitive with the dlp competitors but substantially less expensive.
I am actually pretty impressed with the Epson - one thing that is a bit annoying though is the distance to the wall that thing needs to display a say 90" / 100" image on the wall...I think around >60cm?
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I am actually pretty impressed with the Epson - one thing that is a bit annoying though is the distance to the wall that thing needs to display a say 90" / 100" image on the wall...I think around >60cm?
Yeah, the distance for a 120" screen size is pretty long. If doing 110" and smaller, it should not pose too much of a problem.
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It’s about 80cm (including the projector length) from the screen for 120” image, the same as ls100.
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It’s about 80cm (including the projector length) from the screen for 120” image, the same as ls100.

Including the projector length it's 89cm /35" for a 120" screen. This seems to more than the LS100 by quite a bit which is 72cm to the lens, but I cannot find the "overhang" of the rest of the projector. The LS500 has a whopping 14.2cm extra from the front of the lens to the back of the projector.


In short, you're going to need at least 3ft from the back of the projector to the wall for a 120" screen and to be able to plug in cables, maybe even a little more.
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Can this be used with a AT screen (dark room only, no cares about ALR)? I was unsure if the UST feature imposed additional screen requirements that would be incompatible with acoustic transparency.
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I am actually pretty impressed with the Epson - one thing that is a bit annoying though is the distance to the wall that thing needs to display a say 90" / 100" image on the wall...I think around >60cm?


Yeah, I had to scratch it off my list for that reason. I have a 120” screen. But for some who don’t plan on having a screen bigger than 100”s it’s not terrible. My credenza is 18” deep, so that would only be about 6”/15cm I’d have to move it out from the wall. If I wanted a 120” screen I’d have to move it out a whole foot or 30cm.
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Yeah, I had to scratch it off my list for that reason. I have a 120” screen. But for some who don’t plan on having a screen bigger than 100”s it’s not terrible. My credenza is 18” deep, so that would only be about 6”/15cm I’d have to move it out from the wall. If I wanted a 120” screen I’d have to move it out a whole foot or 30cm.


Over in the Optoma P1 thread, people are considering cabinet hacks or close-to-floor installations just to keep the screen at normal height from the floor. Hopefully that isn’t an issue here. I’ll go a few inches away from the wall, but I only have an 8’ ceiling for the 100” screen.


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Yeah, I had to scratch it off my list for that reason. I have a 120” screen. But for some who don’️t plan on having a screen bigger than 100”s it’️s not terrible. My credenza is 18” deep, so that would only be about 6”/15cm I’️d have to move it out from the wall. If I wanted a 120” screen I’️d have to move it out a whole foot or 30cm.
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Over in the Optoma P1 thread, people are considering cabinet hacks or close-to-floor installations just to keep the screen at normal height from the floor. Hopefully that isn’️t an issue here. I’️ll go a few inches away from the wall, but I only have an 8’️ ceiling for the 100” screen.


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LS500 even less covenient for 120" size since it needs 5 more inches more than P1 from the wall. LG is the best from the bunch.

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Two things: Anyone could do me a favour and let me know the distance required for 100" based on the throw ratio advertised for the Epson (0.27 - 0.37:1)? Also, all the online shops somehow are not mentioning 'HDR' capabilities in their listing anymore...the Epson does have some sort of dynamic tone mapping / HDR capabilities, I believe?

EDIT: Think I solved it myself: if the LS100 has the same throw-ratio, then this might help everyone in calculating it!

https://www.projectorcentral.com/Eps...ulator-pro.htm
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Two things: Anyone could do me a favour and let me know the distance required for 100" based on the throw ratio advertised for the Epson (0.27 - 0.37:1)? Also, all the online shops somehow are not mentioning 'HDR' capabilities in their listing anymore...the Epson does have some sort of dynamic tone mapping / HDR capabilities, I believe?
No DTM but Epson supports HDR10 and has tone mapping just not frame by frame/scene by scene. Only projectors I am aware with dynamic tone mapping are via a firmware update for the JVC RS1000/NX5, RS2000/NX7 and RS3000/NX9 that was just released today.

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No DTM but Epson supports HDR10 and has tone mapping just not frame by frame/scene by scene. Only projectors I am aware with dynamic tone mapping are via a firmware update for the JVC RS1000/NX5, RS2000/NX7 and RS3000/NX9 that was just released today.

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The LG HU85L, BenQ HT3550, BenQ HT5550 have frame by frame tone mapping as well.
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The LG HU85L, BenQ HT3550, BenQ HT5550 have frame by frame tone mapping as well.
Cool . Thank you for letting the forum know there are other options as well .

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Since the distance for 120” is too large for me, I thought of building a shelf mounted to the wall, that can be pulled out (i.e I can push and pull it from the wall).
that way I can push it when no one is watching, and then people can move around freely in the living room, and pull it out for the distance needed to get 120” image when I want to watch.
Do you guys heard of such shelfs/similar ideas? I know it has to be strong when pulling it out because the projector is about 10kg.
The other option is to mount it on the wall to project from above, but I’m not sure that’s possible and might also hurt the effectiveness of an ALR screen.
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Over in the Optoma P1 thread, people are considering cabinet hacks or close-to-floor installations just to keep the screen at normal height from the floor. Hopefully that isn’t an issue here. I’ll go a few inches away from the wall, but I only have an 8’ ceiling for the 100” screen.


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I’m guessing if the throw distance is longer it makes it easier to have less offset. Right now I have the ViewSonic PX800HD. Whatever has the closest offset and TR will likely be my next upgrade. The offset is not often put on the spec sheets so it’s not easy to compare.
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Since the distance for 120” is too large for me, I thought of building a shelf mounted to the wall, that can be pulled out (i.e I can push and pull it from the wall).
that way I can push it when no one is watching, and then people can move around freely in the living room, and pull it out for the distance needed to get 120” image when I want to watch.
Do you guys heard of such shelfs/similar ideas? I know it has to be strong when pulling it out because the projector is about 10kg.
The other option is to mount it on the wall to project from above, but I’m not sure that’s possible and might also hurt the effectiveness of an ALR screen.
Thanks!

I found this one : http://www.unnu.nu/function/projektor-skuffe/
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The LG HU85L, BenQ HT3550, BenQ HT5550 have frame by frame tone mapping as well.
No that is not correct.
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Cool . Thank you for letting the forum know there are other options as well .

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The post was not correct. Frame by frame is dynamic tone mapping. Only way to get that by projector alone is to get an RS1000/NX5, RS2000/NX7 or RS3000/NX9, as you stated in your earlier post. You can add it to some projectors by buying a Lumagen or building a high end HTPC with MadVR. Or wait for the MadVR Envy.
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