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Brightest 100%P3 color gamut lumens

What projector right now out puts over 3000 lumens of 100% p3 color gamut. What's the brightest? Most of the 3000 to 5000 lumen projectors dim considerably when calibrated to show 100% p3. I've found the Epson 6050ub so far at around 2300 lumens.

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What projector right now out puts over 3000 lumens of 100% p3 color gamut. What's the brightest? Most of the 3000 to 5000 lumen projectors dim considerably when calibrated to show 100% p3. I've found the Epson 6050ub so far at around 2300 lumens.

The 6040 was outputting less than 1000 Lumens in dci-p3 (filter engaged). I doubt the 6050ub does any different.
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That 1,000 (or close to it) number is consistently put out for the high lamp mode with the 5050 and 5040 with the filter engaged. This does bring about a separate question regarding this that I haven't really seen discussed. How obvious is the visual difference of something putting out 100% of P3 vs. 75%. You see resolutions compared side by side but I don't think I've ever seen anyone compare lets say an Epson 5050 kicking out 2,000 lumens in natural mode vs. a JVC NX7 with it's full P3 at 1,700...ish….lumens and how the colors in real life content appear. I'm not talking about comparing a silly side by side chart, I'm talking watching real world content.
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What projector right now out puts over 3000 lumens of 100% p3 color gamut. What's the brightest? Most of the 3000 to 5000 lumen projectors dim considerably when calibrated to show 100% p3. I've found the Epson 6050ub so far at around 2300 lumens.

The 6040 was outputting less than 1000 Lumens in dci-p3 (filter engaged). I doubt the 6050ub does any different.
Crap I misread. You are right. It's slightly more but not noteworthy. Around 1100 lumens. Booo

Well still looking for something over 3000 lumens and 100% p3

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That 1,000 (or close to it) number is consistently put out for the high lamp mode with the 5050 and 5040 with the filter engaged. This does bring about a separate question regarding this that I haven't really seen discussed. How obvious is the visual difference of something putting out 100% of P3 vs. 75%. You see resolutions compared side by side but I don't think I've ever seen anyone compare lets say an Epson 5050 kicking out 2,000 lumens in natural mode vs. a JVC NX7 with it's full P3 at 1,700...ish….lumens and how the colors in real life content appear. I'm not talking about comparing a silly side by side chart, I'm talking watching real world content.
That's actually the real world scenario question isnt it. The way it was explained to me that helped me the most after seeing a side by side rec709 image and the same image under P3 was that it's a very noticeable difference going from SDR to HDR but that going from rec 709 to P3 isnt as nearly noticeable and most would give that up to view the rec709 in higher lumens.

I am just trying to find the best of both worlds. High lumens and 100% P3

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And I dont know that such a drastic difference in lumens from 2 projectors showing side by side images would yield a fair photograph to judge with. I think this is something you'd have to view side by side in person.

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Crap I misread. You are right. It's slightly more but not noteworthy. Around 1100 lumens. Booo

Well still looking for something over 3000 lumens and 100% p3
At under 100K, I can think of only one projector and that is the Sony VW5000. It will do around 3,100 to 3,200 lumens with DCI P3 filter in place.
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For the price of a decent car the JVC 4500 probably pumps out the brightest picture at full P3. My guess is the JVC 3,000 and then 2,000 are next at around 1,800 lumens. If you don't have a fully light controlled room meaning not only window light but also dark carpet, walls and ceiling then I wouldn't pay the HEFTY premium for these machines. Where they excel, in a big way, is in very specific environments. If they aren't in their natural habitat then what you've done is bought the best of the best winter coat money can buy to take on your tropical vacation and you've paid a mighty premium for it.
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At under 100K, I can think of only one projector and that is the Sony VW5000. It will do around 3,100 to 3,200 lumens with DCI P3 filter in place.

Mike you've seen more projectors than most. Is there much of a visual difference between lets say 75% vs. 100% P3 coverage when watching actual content?
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Do you need high lumens for HDR on a big screen? And if so, how big of a screen?
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At under 100K, I can think of only one projector and that is the Sony VW5000. It will do around 3,100 to 3,200 lumens with DCI P3 filter in place.
Wasn't there some new RGB-laser Barcos, how about those?

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The Theo-Z65 has a wider rec2020 gamut of 80% than the nx7s 70% with comparable lumens, so a brighter mode with very close to p3 will have higher calibrated lumens, not 3000, but very high for the under 10k market

https://www.tvspecialists.com/jvc-dl...o-z65-part-ii/
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The HT9060 is going to be a strong contender.
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BenQ HT9060 your best bet, 1700+ lumens calibrated full p3 w/20,000 led lightsource, no rbe artifacts

Other than that it's either gonna cost over $20k for solid state.

Someone mentioned modified uhz65 but that has a lot of RBE unlike ht9060.

Any of the JVC/Sony lamp PJs can't get near the ht9060 in p3 coverage and brightness without burning up lamps at full power which is going to be both costly and a hassle

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For the price of a decent car the JVC 4500 probably pumps out the brightest picture at full P3.
Not at full DCI P3.

Kris Deering in his S&V article on the NX9 reported that JVC's RS4500 lost approximately 40 percent of its light output with the color filter engaged.

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BenQ HT9060 your best bet, 1700+ lumens calibrated full p3 w/20,000 led lightsource, no rbe artifacts

Other than that it's either gonna cost over $20k for solid state.

Someone mentioned modified uhz65 but that has a lot of RBE unlike ht9060.

Any of the JVC/Sony lamp PJs can't get near the ht9060 in p3 coverage and brightness without burning up lamps at full power which is going to be both costly and a hassle
Not only that, but the Sony and JVCs will run pretty loudly in high lamp whereas the 9060 is near silent even at its highest brightness modes.

Unfortunately, the original post was about a projector with wide color and around 3,000 lumens.
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Mike you've seen more projectors than most. Is there much of a visual difference between lets say 75% vs. 100% P3 coverage when watching actual content?
Yes. If you had said between 90% and 100%, I would still say there is a difference, but not a large difference. But 75% to 100% is a big difference.
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Wasn't there some new RGB-laser Barcos, how about those?

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Not in the under 100k price point.
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The Theo-Z65 has a wider rec2020 gamut of 80% than the nx7s 70% with comparable lumens, so a brighter mode with very close to p3 will have higher calibrated lumens, not 3000, but very high for the under 10k market

https://www.tvspecialists.com/jvc-dl...o-z65-part-ii/
Need to see this projector compared by a trusted independent reviewer like Kris Deering. But note that UHD BD's use DCI color space in a BT2020 container. The NX7 does 99% to 100% of DCI. So the JVC already shows the full color that is on the disc.
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