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HT9050 Questions

Hey all,

I like the LK970/LK990 for their brightness, but I need a backup if the RBEs are too severe. The HT9060 is the natural alternative, really love the lens and 0.66" combo, but its expensive. However, a refurbished HT9050 is like 1/3rd the price of a new or refurb HT9060, so I'm considering that one and I have a few question:

1. Is any way to get HT9050 to perform comparably to HT9060 despite its lack of HDR support.. calibration and outboard processing is cheaper then buying a HT9060, so I'm fine with that.
1. Besides not supporting HDR what else is missing?
2. Is it possible to take advantage wider P3 color gamut without the HDR support, or am I giving that up too?

thanks

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I'd look for @Aztar35 to give some feedback here. I believe he owned an HT9050 and HT9060 and can tell you exactly why you wont want a 9050 even for the closeout price of $2000 at benqdirect.com. I was going to buy a 9050 as a backup projector and he talked me out of it also. Sounds like you may like the 9060 though.
yes... Ideally I would want the HT9060, but the price puts it into a range where the competition is too tough to accept the contrast drawbacks. the HT9050 is 2000 refurb or 2500 new, so just for that phenomenal lens, 0.66 chip and LED light engine, that price is a amazing. Just don't know how good the contrast will be like on the HT9050, have only seen the HT9060 in person and it was to acceptable to me.
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Hey all,

I like the LK970/LK990 for their brightness, but I need a backup if the RBEs are too severe. The HT9060 is the natural alternative, really love the lens and 0.66" combo, but its expensive. However, a refurbished HT9050 is like 1/3rd the price of a new or refurb HT9060, so I'm considering that one and I have a few question:

1. Is any way to get HT9050 to perform comparably to HT9060 despite its lack of HDR support.. calibration and outboard processing is cheaper then buying a HT9060, so I'm fine with that.
1. Besides not supporting HDR what else is missing?
2. Is it possible to take advantage wider P3 color gamut without the HDR support, or am I giving that up too?

thanks
I read in another post where you said that RBE is a problem for you. If it is, I do not see why you would even be looking at the LK's? Sounds like for what you want the 9060 is the better choice. Though I would keep in mind one poster that was big on the 9060, just switched to an NX7 and when asked if he would do it again, said yes. I also think the new DTM firmware is going to increase the gap even more. But if you want laser/LED, then I would be looking at the 9060.
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I read in another post where you said that RBE is a problem for you. If it is, I do not see why you would even be looking at the LK's? Sounds like for what you want the 9060 is the better choice. Though I would keep in mind one poster that was big on the 9060, just switched to an NX7 and when asked if he would do it again, said yes. I also think the new DTM firmware is going to increase the gap even more. But if you want laser/LED, then I would be looking at the 9060.
Yes RBE is a problem, but it depends on the severity... I can tolerate the UHD65 in SDR mode for example, i see them, but its below the threshold. Switch to HDR and it becomes unwatchable... really depends on the individual projector and color wheel implementation. My hope is that the LK970 would be tolerable, and if not I can return it.

Of course, as an alternative I would take the HT9060, but it's out of my desired price range, that is why I am looking at the HT9050 as an RBE free alternative to the LKs.
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I didn't see you started a new thread and already answered there.

Anyway, these BenQ projectors are pretty rare beasts and I suppose they'll be quite hard to find.
Especially for a demo. But if you can locate them, do it.

Now, if you are fine with a lamp based unit you might also consider the HT8060, possibly saving some bucks at the same time. The HT8060, is basically an HT8050 but with HDR capability added.

Of course that means that you might need to change bulbs at some point, depending on your usage.
But apart from it, there shouldn't be much to worry.

The RGBRGB color wheel is @120 Hz rotation on those units, which in my experience is plenty fast.
I'm a rainbow effect sensitive guy, but I've noticed that anything above 90Hz rotation on those RGBRGB wheels is enough to eliminate it.

By the way, did anyone manage to locate any published input lag figures for any of those behemoths?



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Not having HDR is a bummer in terms of the longevity of the unit.
If it was a purchase that you would change in 2-3 years then fine.
But given the amount of money, I'd say you will keep it more than that.

So, as of now HDR doesn't look very awesome (at least from the little I've seen).
But in the future they might manage to improve so much on it, that it becomes absolutely essential.

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I'd look for @Aztar35 to give some feedback here. I believe he owned an HT9050 and HT9060 and can tell you exactly why you wont want a 9050 even for the closeout price of $2000 at benqdirect.com.
@Aztar35 could you share your experiences with the HT9050 vs HT9060 and/or point me towards what you've already written? thanks!
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Hey all,

I like the LK970/LK990 for their brightness, but I need a backup if the RBEs are too severe. The HT9060 is the natural alternative, really love the lens and 0.66" combo, but its expensive. However, a refurbished HT9050 is like 1/3rd the price of a new or refurb HT9060, so I'm considering that one and I have a few question:

1. Is any way to get HT9050 to perform comparably to HT9060 despite its lack of HDR support.. calibration and outboard processing is cheaper then buying a HT9060, so I'm fine with that.
1. Besides not supporting HDR what else is missing?
2. Is it possible to take advantage wider P3 color gamut without the HDR support, or am I giving that up too?

thanks
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I'd look for @Aztar35 to give some feedback here. I believe he owned an HT9050 and HT9060 and can tell you exactly why you wont want a 9050 even for the closeout price of $2000 at benqdirect.com. I was going to buy a 9050 as a backup projector and he talked me out of it also. Sounds like you may like the 9060 though.
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@Aztar35 could you share your experiences with the HT9050 vs HT9060 and/or point me towards what you've already written? thanks!
Yes, of course.

The HT9050 I had, had a greanish cast to it OTB.

Other than its lack of HDR and lack of 3D, the 9050's Smarteco dimming did not operate like the HT9060's and the best contrast ratio I could achieve from the HT9050 I had was c. 1,000:1, whereas on the HT9060, I measured a dynamic contrast ratio of 4,400:1.

Also, the 9050 is capable of DCI P3 color but it lacks the BT2020 container so when the source data delivers the color, the projector's lack of 2020 will cause a mismatch. This is not an issue with the HT9060.

My HT9060 was noticeably brighter than the 9050 I had for some reason. Expect around 1800 calibrated lumens for SDR and around 1,600 to 1,700 lumens for HDR where the HT9060 will run very quietly.

One of the things I didn't like on the HT9060 was that its 3D image caused me some discomfort.

You can read more of my impressions in the HT9060 owners' thread.

For price, shop around or find a good refurb. Good luck.
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Hey all,

I like the LK970/LK990 for their brightness, but I need a backup if the RBEs are too severe. The HT9060 is the natural alternative, really love the lens and 0.66" combo, but its expensive. However, a refurbished HT9050 is like 1/3rd the price of a new or refurb HT9060, so I'm considering that one and I have a few question:

1. Is any way to get HT9050 to perform comparably to HT9060 despite its lack of HDR support.. calibration and outboard processing is cheaper then buying a HT9060, so I'm fine with that.
1. Besides not supporting HDR what else is missing?
2. Is it possible to take advantage wider P3 color gamut without the HDR support, or am I giving that up too?

thanks
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I'd look for @Aztar35 to give some feedback here. I believe he owned an HT9050 and HT9060 and can tell you exactly why you wont want a 9050 even for the closeout price of $2000 at benqdirect.com. I was going to buy a 9050 as a backup projector and he talked me out of it also. Sounds like you may like the 9060 though.
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@Aztar35 could you share your experiences with the HT9050 vs HT9060 and/or point me towards what you've already written? thanks!
Yes, of course.

The HT9050 I had, had a greanish cast to it OTB.

Other than its lack of HDR and lack of 3D, the 9050's Smarteco dimming did not operate like the HT9060's and the best contrast ratio I could achieve from the HT9050 I had was c. 1,000:1, whereas on the HT9060, I measured a dynamic contrast ratio of 4,400:1.

Also, the 9050 is capable of DCI P3 color but it lacks the BT2020 container so when the source data delivers the color, the projector's lack of 2020 will cause a mismatch. This is not an issue with the HT9060.

My HT9060 was noticeably brighter than the 9050 I had for some reason. Expect around 1800 calibrated lumens for SDR and around 1,600 to 1,700 lumens for HDR where the HT9060 will run very quietly.

One of the things I didn't like on the HT9060 was that its 3D image caused me some discomfort.

You can read more of my impressions in the HT9060 owners' thread.

For price, shop around or find a good refurb. Good luck.
If the wider color gamut is wasted due to a metadata issue, then overall the lk970 is better for me, as at least then I get the brightness. If it has too much RBE, then the HT9060 is the better alternative if the LK970. If the contrast in the 9050 is 1/4 of the 9060, but it’s not very bright, there’s not much point to it, no matter the price.

Thanks so much man, this is info I can use. Very much appreciated.
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So I've been offered a crazy deal on a HT8050... (i wont mention the price don't worry!) but when I told the sales person that it didn't have HDR, he said that it did, it was added in a firmware update along with 3D support. Is this true? and if so, what is the advantage of the HT8060 then, if HDR was the only differentiator? @Aztar35 do you know anything about this?

I know it has a color wheel, but its 6x RGBRGB and lower brightness than the LK970 with RGBY, so thinking it might be more tolerable for RBEs.

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So I've been offered a crazy deal on a HT8050... (i wont mention the price don't worry!) but when I told the sales person that it didn't have HDR, he said that it did, it was added in a firmware update along with 3D support. Is this true? and if so, what is the advantage of the HT8060 then, if HDR was the only differentiator? @Aztar35 do you know anything about this?

I know it has a color wheel, but its 6x RGBRGB and lower brightness than the LK970 with RGBY, so thinking it might be more tolerable for RBEs.
If you get a good deal, go for it mate!
I am pretty confident, you will not be missing much from those other models.
And the high speed color wheel is a safe bet for those pesky rainbows.
You will see none, provided you don't have the unit is Bright mode all the time.

Depending on how good the deal is, I might even ignore the lack of HDR capabilities.
It seems like they are still working on it, possibly improving it.
And as of now, i figure there isn't much content out there yet that can really take advantage of it.
SDR still looks great in my opinion if the PJ is adjusted properly.

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If you get a good deal, go for it mate!
I am pretty confident, you will not be missing much from those other models.
And the high speed color wheel is a safe bet for those pesky rainbows.
You will see none, provided you don't have the unit is Bright mode all the time.

Depending on how good the deal is, I might even ignore the lack of HDR capabilities.
It seems like they are still working on it, possibly improving it.
Andas of now, i figure there isn't much content out there yet that can really take advantage of it.
SDR still looks great in my opinion if the PJ is adjusted properly.
If you do a search on Netflix, you find that there are 183 shows and movies in HDR. Several of the shows are series with more than one season. What is available may not be stuff you like to watch, but there is quite a bit and the list grows larger each week.
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If you do a search on Netflix, you find that there are 183 shows and movies in HDR. Several of the shows are series with more than one season. What is available may not be stuff you like to watch, but there is quite a bit and the list grows larger each week.
Certainly that stuff isn't my cup of tea, but things will improve.
I'm pretty sure they are working on that as we speak.

If HDR is here to stay, then the best has yet to come.
At some point, production will become more proficient with it and become an essential thing for all new stuff.

However, they should better sort that legacy 24 frames things first..
I mean OK, HDR and all but we need to move forward in that area too.

It's a bit funny for films to support color depths that might surpass the human eye's capability, yet still be choppy @24 frames.
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Certainly that stuff isn't my cup of tea, but things will improve.
I'm pretty sure they are working on that as we speak.

If HDR is here to stay, then the best has yet to come.
At some point, production will become more proficient with it and become an essential thing for all new stuff.

However, they should better sort that legacy 24 frames things first..
I mean OK, HDR and all but we need to move forward in that area too.

It's a bit funny for films to support color depths that might surpass the human eye's capability, yet still be choppy @24 frames.
Netflix on my Roku plays at 60P, unless you select native frame rate.
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Netflix on my Roku plays at 60P, unless you select native frame rate.
Was talking about native film framerates.
Meaning the way those films are shot.
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So I've been offered a crazy deal on a HT8050... (i wont mention the price don't worry!) but when I told the sales person that it didn't have HDR, he said that it did, it was added in a firmware update along with 3D support. Is this true? and if so, what is the advantage of the HT8060 then, if HDR was the only differentiator? @Aztar35 do you know anything about this?

I know it has a color wheel, but its 6x RGBRGB and lower brightness than the LK970 with RGBY, so thinking it might be more tolerable for RBEs.
I remember reading somewhere a while ago of talk that HDR and 3D were being added via firmware. But my 9x50 had the latest firmware and I didn't see where it was capable of either HDR or 3D. Is yours an open box or a refurb (it seems the seller knows the specific firmware version on the machine)? If it's an assumption on her part, she can check the build date then confirm her understanding with BenQ tech. that your unit will definitely have HDR and 3D capability.

If your 8050 has those, there wouldn't be much difference between it and the HT8060 except for perhaps some smoother dynamic iris operation. Look at the HT8050 owner's thread and the 8060 thread. It was reported the 8050 DI was pretty fussy with artifacts.
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I remember reading somewhere a while ago of talk that HDR and 3D were being added via firmware. But my 9x50 had the latest firmware and I didn't see where it was capable of either HDR or 3D. Is yours an open box or a refurb (it seems the seller knows the specific firmware version on the machine)? If it's an assumption on her part, she can check the build date then confirm her understanding with BenQ tech. that your unit will definitely have HDR and 3D capability.

If your 8050 has those, there wouldn't be much difference between it and the HT8060 except for perhaps some smoother dynamic iris operation. Look at the HT8050 owner's thread and the 8060 thread. It was reported the 8050 DI was pretty fussy with artifacts.
UPDATE: I had an in-person demo of the HT8050 yesterday. It didn't have any HDR added through firmware, that was bull**** they fed me, but I didn't care, just happy to see the porjector... while there, I was able to compare directly with NX5, X790 and the UHZ65, all using the same sources (Panasonic DP-UB820 playing Infinity War UHD BD, and a MacBook pro outputting UHD, running a 4K video file from the desktop.)

All were left uncalibrated with out of the box settings as the dealer said they didn't want to be accused of tweaking or favoring one over the other. They gave me the remotes and let me tweak away. Obviously, I'm not a calibrator, nor did I have proper tools for measurement, so I didn't touch the CMS on any of them, BUT I did tweak the picture controls and lamp modes to achieve the best contrast and color on each tat I could - FYI I'm a news and documentary cameraman/editor, and I work with exposure and color correction all day... as a result, I can recognize tonal curves and color temperature by eye. I know this isn't scientifically verifiable by anyone, so take it at face value; just relaying my experience, not trying to prove anything. As for focus, I stood at the screen first before playing any source and made him manually focus with the menus up and me telling him when to stop while I stood inches from the screen. It was a dedicated Batcave, matte white elunevision screen, 135" 2.35:1. All projectors were left in "Cinema" modes in hopes that it was closest to 6500K

When he loaded Infinity War on the BenQ, it looked totally washed out. The first scene is especially dark in space and inside the ship, then, switches to bright daylight in the park, then to medium lighting inside a building, so its a good stress test for contrast. I was completely shocked at bad it looked, even with me tweaking some settings... so I asked for a desktop view from a laptop or HTPC, saying I needed to confirm it looked like this from all sources. They reluctantly did it, and when they had the desktop up, I noticed the contrast was much better. They played a UHD demo video from JVC that has some Japanese kabuki stuff, high contrast with a lot of colors. After some menu adjustment, it looked fantastic. Extremely detailed, sharp, deep black, solid whites with no clipping. Perhaps not quite bright enough, but they had the projector 24 feet back on maximum zoon, to fill the giant 2.35x1 screen. they were not able to shrink it down to fill a 16x9 with pillars because it was already at the end of its range. had they made it 110" 16x9 like my screen will be, it would have been significantly brighter, especially if it's mounted close enough to use the wide end of the zoom range.

Then they showed me the NX5, from the same BD source, and it looked much much better. I was discouraged and a bit but also confused, as I didn't think the difference was going to be this bad so I asked for a manager to check and it turns out the BD player was outputting HDR BT2020, so the tone mapping wasn't working as the HT8050 doesn't accept HDR signals... they set it to SDR709, and relaunched to better results.

I was impressed. It was sharper, but not necessarily more detailed, than the NX5; The better contrast on the NX5 and native 4K panels sometimes gave more fine detail, especially in the ornate armor with light refraction, or areas with multiple high contrast colors in a small space... whereas the HT8050 had an overall sharper picture, especially with computer source, or far away details in the background of the movie. There were some chromatic aberration and panel misalignment color bleed from the NX5 on close inspection, the corners were not as sharp either. The lens on the HT8050 is pro as advertised, I'd say cinema-grade. No joke, I'd shoot a with that thing, it's even par-focal, so you don't need to refocus when you zoom. This is a feature used in cinema lenses, it's not easy to do and really puts up the cost, size, and QA of glass elements.. this is brilliant, and expensive optics. The HT8050 was obviously much better resolving fine text on the desktop, distinct pixels in webpages or buttons, it looked like a 4k monitor. I'm sure with 4k games it would be freakin bananas (dreaming about playing Mario Galaxy 2 in 4K from Dolphin!)

It did great with skin tones, giving more details of Ms Pots skin definition than the JVC NX5, and a more natural gradation and fall-off in the shading, warm but accurate reds, and no burnt highlights to distract my eyes. I preferred the skin tones to the NX5, but it had good ones too... the HT8050 was about 15-20% brighter so that made them pop a bit more. The highlights were brighter on the NX5 though, as it was actually showing HDR and the BenQ was SDR.

Black levels were not as good as the NX5, obviously, using a small DLP DMD is still limiting no matter how good your lens or light source. That said, the NX5 contrast was NOT as good as the X790 (this was reference blacks for me, so I made them show me). Overall, I was disappointed with the NX5 contrast, it's not where the older JVCs were, but I don't know about the NX7. They did have an NX9 there... I wasn't going to pretend I had that much money to spend lol. Still, the contrast was a measure better on the NX5 than the HT8050, but not by a mile. To me, it is acceptable, even in a completely black room. I would swap the matte white for a grey screen with some gain and I bet it would look comparable or better as its brighter, especially if it was an ALR screen from SI/Elite etc with a bit of ambient light coming in. It's a pity it's not improved by the dynamic iris... that this did very little, basically jumped all over the place, pumping when someone would walk in front of a window on-screen... I think it needed the firmware update, but even if it working, it didn't do that much.

Finally, rainbows... yes, I could see them moderately, but more importantly, feel them constantly, giving me minor nausea. It was at a level where I could ignore it, but I don't know what would happen over an entire movie or long gaming session... maybe I'd get used to it, but I don't know. Motion handling on the NX5 felt more natural, but the native motion on DLP is also good, but I think the rainbows made it seem worse. This is typical of 6x RGBRGB wheel for me. The 3x RGBY on the UHZ65 was unwatchable, and vomit-inducing kaleidoscope of rainbows, especially in HDR mode. I couldn't demo the Optoma much because the effect was so severe.

After all this, I felt happy with the HT8050 EXCEPT for the rainbows. the HT8050 is around half the cost of the NX5 at street prices. It's brighter and better with digital sources like computers and games, or with an ALR screen in ambient light. if it didn't have the rainbows, I'd probably take it but I just can't take the risk.. even now writing about it, u start to feel a bit woozy remembering the feeling it created, so its a deal-breaker for me.

this brings me back to the HT9050 with its LED light source and lack of traditional color wheel... My position is now this: if the contrast of the level of the HT8050 is the same as the HT9050, I'm fine with it. I don't have to worry about bulbs anymore, and since the cost is just a bit more, its overall better value with a potentially wider color gamut and more stable light source.

The problem is, I am ready conflicting information about this...Kris Deering review of the HT9050 in S&V he said "with no dynamic contrast circuitry engaged was only 900:1. This was improved by the new firmware update, which allowed for the LED dimming to push that measurement to 4,000:1"


Read more at https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...qiie1yGV5d3.99

in his HT9060 review he said: "the HT9060's contrast ratio was pretty low, measuring 836:1 native and 3,770:1 with Smart Eco dynamic mode engaged."

Read more at https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...izOri2aAZUZ.99

that sounds like the HT9050 and HT9060 were roughly the same, but he also said that the HT9060 was improved over the HT9050, as others have said here as well. After reading all the conflicting reports, it still leaves me a bit confused about the HT9050 vs HT9060, so still have a few
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1. Does this mean that the improvements are purely when showing HDR sources based on the engagement of HDR enabled on the HT9060? or is the HT9050 actually different in its native and dynamic contrast from the HT906 even with SDR sources?

2. Is there any way around it... can I take advantage of the wider color gamut and potential HDR contrast of the HT9050 by using an outboard tone mapper or HTPC solution?

3. If not, is the improved contrast with HDR sources on the HT9060 over the HT9050 worth double the cost? I know this is for me to decide, but it's hard to know without seeing.


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I remember reading somewhere a while ago of talk that HDR and 3D were being added via firmware. But my 9x50 had the latest firmware and I didn't see where it was capable of either HDR or 3D. Is yours an open box or a refurb (it seems the seller knows the specific firmware version on the machine)? If it's an assumption on her part, she can check the build date then confirm her understanding with BenQ tech. that your unit will definitely have HDR and 3D capability.

If your 8050 has those, there wouldn't be much difference between it and the HT8060 except for perhaps some smoother dynamic iris operation. Look at the HT8050 owner's thread and the 8060 thread. It was reported the 8050 DI was pretty fussy with artifacts.
The iris on the 8050 I demoed was unusable, so much pumping and random behavior. I don't think they had applied the firmware update that supposedly address this. The sales person admitted she was mistaken about HDR and 3D being added. Too good to be true! I was very impressed by the projector overall tho, besides the rainbows, so I'm probably going to move forward with a HT9050 and hope the contrast with the dynamic dimming is comparable to the 8050 I saw. t will probably be a refurb unit, so I can check with Benq before I order and make sure the firmware is up to date.
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I've had the HT9050 for about a year. I'm using an HD fury linker and the setting's Dave Harper provided for the LK970.
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The problem is, I am ready conflicting information about this...Kris Deering review of the HT9050 in S&V he said "with no dynamic contrast circuitry engaged was only 900:1. This was improved by the new firmware update, which allowed for the LED dimming to push that measurement to 4,000:1"

Yeah, that's interesting. I wondered if Kris' sample had a beta FW installed because when I had the 9050 and set it to Smarteco, the best I could get was around 924:1 contrast period. BenQ confirmed I had the latest FW at the time too.

If you hit eco blank on the remote and then take it off to get the picture back on, on the 9050, that made my whole image slightly darker and gave me a little better black level, but contrast was still around 1,000:1 at the best.

On the 9060, however, dynamic was over four times that, at 4,400:1 measured on mine.
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I’m hoping that was a fluke, we’ll see.... I’d be happy with 4000:1 contrast. I did confirm with BenQ before ordering that it will have the latest FW pre-installed, so fingers crossed I can reproduce Kris’s findings.

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I've had the HT9050 for about a year. I'm using an HD fury linker and the setting's Dave Harper provided for the LK970.
So you use the HDFury to convert UHD HDR to UHD SDR? Are you able to get better contrast / black levels when feeding it the HDFury tone mapped signal vs feeding normal SDR 4K?

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So you use the HDFury to convert UHD HDR to UHD SDR? Are you able to get better contrast / black levels when feeding it the HDFury tone mapped signal vs feeding normal SDR 4K?
The HD Fury Linker is used so the projector can receive HDR. Then I input Dave Harper's settings to fix the image quality. Contrast and black level improve to my eyes, sometimes the image looks like 3D. I use smart eco mode otherwise I feel the image is too bright, I have a 92 inch gray screen. If I feel the need to adjust the settings while watching a film I use a combination of the blu ray player and the projector.
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Seeing as they are similar price for refurbed 9050 and a 5550. Which would you pick? Looks like the 5550 has HDR-pro which I am not 100% sure what that is.

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Seeing as they are similar price for refurbed 9050 and a 5550. Which would you pick? Looks like the 5550 has HDR-pro which I am not 100% sure what that is.
HT5550 is built around the smaller 0.47" DLP DMD, with an inferior lens, so you cant expect the same sharpness or contrast as the HT9050. It's also lamp based with a color wheel, so you won't have the wide a color gamut, and you may see rainbows artifacts. It does have HDR support (HDR-Pro is BenQ's tone mapping feature) with a dynamic iris, so those are really the only advantages. Overall, the HT9050 is a much better deal, IMO
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HT5550 is built around the smaller 0.47" DLP DMD, with an inferior lens, so you cant expect the same sharpness or contrast as the HT9050. It's also lamp based with a color wheel, so you won't have the wide a color gamut, and you may see rainbows artifacts. It does have HDR support (HDR-Pro is BenQ's tone mapping feature) with a dynamic iris, so those are really the only advantages. Overall, the HT9050 is a much better deal, IMO
Thanks for the reply I know nothing about projectors im more of a HT speaker guy. I just buy one and have my AV guy set it up and thats it. How you think the 8060 that has HDR compared to the 9050? I can get a good deal on them. more than the refurbed 9050 but far less than full retail.

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Thanks for the reply I know nothing about projectors im more of a HT speaker guy. I just buy one and have my AV guy set it up and thats it. How you think the 8060 that has HDR compared to the 9050? I can get a good deal on them. more than the refurbed 9050 but far less than full retail.
No problem man... If you are NOT sensitive to Rainbows (I saw a little), then I'd go for the HT8060; it has HDR support and really no compromises, especially if the price is close to a HT9050.
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No problem man... If you are NOT sensitive to Rainbows (I saw a little), then I'd go for the HT8060; it has HDR support and really no compromises, especially if the price is close to a HT9050.
Oh awesome! I am coming from a Benq 1070 so any of these are a substantial upgrade. I gave myself a budget of 5k to do some theater upgrades and figured a new projector and receiver would be a good place to start. Then if I have money left put it towards some atmos speakers. But in the process of deciding if I want to sell all my speakers and go with a different setup or integrate atmos to my current system. But figured new projector would be the easiest upgrade to quantify since all the tv's in our house are OLED we never use the HT room anymore and all the other Tv rooms in the house have atmos as well. Figured how do I get us using the theater again.

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