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If you read through the xy thread in the screens section people talk about issues with shipping larger screens, I believe air freight is limited to 100", whereas sea freight takes a very long time, and there seemed to be issues with extra shipping fees. https://www.avsforum.com/forum/23-sc...l#post59160926

If the BC HG is ~2.0 gain I wonder why it would be too dark?

That throw will help the higher gain screens. Money no object? https://www.projectorscreen.com/da-l...22-2-35-1.html

For the shroud, hmm... 2 poles with weighted bases and a right angle bar at the top. A peice of fabric hanging off the bars on either side, and a peice of fabric stretched between the two bars.
Grey screens don't have a "true" gain of 2.0, because they also darken the black level.


Like the Elite Screens Cinegrey 5D with a rated gain of 1.5 is really a negative gain screen of ~0.66 gain with polarizing layer of 1.5 gain, so the net overall gain is pretty much unity 1.0 gain. Another example is the Stewart Firehawk G4 with a rated gain of 1.1, but the grey screen part is 0.83 gain, so the net gain is 0.91. Yeah I know, it's weird how screen companies rate grey screens as if they're white.

Whereas silver screens like the Vutec Silverstar or Dalite High Power, are very close to their rated gain.

That sounds like a good idea. I think I'll get some Sy-Fabrics triple black velvet, about two yards. Then I'll have a seamstress rip the fabric into fourths, and put four pockets for a dowel. That'll give an ~10 inch "shadow box."

So yeah, I kind of knew before my inquiry the grey screen probably wouldn't cut it. I'm sure it's a great screen if you got the lumens though. But their silver screen is actually a really good price. Which are usually VERY expensive for that size. Their Silver Crystal HG 2.4 gain is no where near as expensive as the Da-lite one you posted.

Planning out a projector in a non-dedicated room has been much harder than I thought!

I read that post, they used a door to door quote. That guy looks like he just got unlucky. Customs doesn't mess around, if you got illegal goods in a container, they confiscate the whole container, and good luck getting back what they effectively stole. It seems XY figured out their problem.
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Grey screens don't have a "true" gain of 2.0, because they also darken the black level. Like the Elite Screens Cinegrey 5D with a rated gain of 1.5 is really a negative gain screen of ~0.66 gain with polarizing layer of 1.5 gain, so the net overall gain is pretty much unity 1.0 gain. Another example is the Stewart Firehawk G4 with a rated gain of 1.1, but the grey screen part is 0.83 gain, so the net gain is 0.91. Yeah I know, it's weird how screen companies rate grey screens as if they're white. Whereas silver screens like the Vutec Silverstar or Dalite High Power, are very close to their rated gain.
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So yeah, I kind of knew before my inquiry the grey screen probably wouldn't cut it. I'm sure it's a great screen if you got the lumens though. But their silver screen is actually a really good price. Which are usually VERY expensive for that size. Their Silver Crystal HG 2.4 gain is no where near as expensive as the Da-lite one you posted.
What projector are you using?

Ya the parallax price is intense. But even the 0.8 gain version is brighter than my black crystal 0.8, with a similar black level, better horizontal viewing angles, but terrible vertical viewing angles, it's also pixel perfect sparkle free, almost sheen free and can accommodate a lower throw ratio. The 2.3 gain has similar sparkle to my bc.8 it's an impressive material. I'd definitely recommend getting samples from dalite just to see them, really cool materials with the lavour design that almost completely rejects light from above and below.

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Been experimenting with shades and shrouds myself to great effect with remote controlled lights on either side of the shades as I like low ambient light for extended viewing of tv shows when you dont want to be in pitch black, and higher ambient light for high apl content. Now to make it look pretty =/
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What projector are you using?

Ya the parallax price is intense. But even the 0.8 gain version is brighter than my black crystal 0.8, with a similar black level, better horizontal viewing angles, but terrible vertical viewing angles, it's also pixel perfect sparkle free, almost sheen free and can accommodate a lower throw ratio. The 2.3 gain has similar sparkle to my bc.8 it's an impressive material. I'd definitely recommend getting samples from dalite just to see them, really cool materials with the lavour design that almost completely rejects light from above and below.


Been experimenting with shades and shrouds myself to great effect with remote controlled lights on either side of the shades as I like low ambient light for extended viewing of tv shows when you dont want to be in pitch black, and higher ambient light for high apl content. Now to make it look pretty =/
Right now I'm still looking for a Sim2 0.95" DMD projector, whether LED or lamp. But they're real hard to find. Either they're for parts, or the person thinks the projector has somehow gained in value over the original price. So in the meantime I've been slowly setting up my room and trying to figure out which screen would best suit my needs.

I'm to the point of giving up and just spending a few hundred on the boards which got fried on my CRT projector instead. Then getting a 120" 1.1 gain screen which is the size I had before.

The major problem with a CRT is another board can fail at any moment on these old CRTs. This would now be my second repair!

The CRT was great for movies, but wasn't that awesome for retrogaming on. The film like quality didn't translate well for the well defined low res pixels. When I visit my friend who does games on an old 720p LCD projector looks better even.

The only technology besides a CRT direct view that does justice to how games played as a kid has been a DLP, even a RPTV version of one.

When I was a young teen I visited Circus Circus, Las Vegas. There was an older teen who played with Guile and never once lost for over eight hours straight. I played him, and got utterly destroyed. The game was on a 10 foot wide projector screen. Even though my game only lasted a matter of seconds, I still remember the experience over 28 years later.

I'm rambling, so I better stop.

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Right now I'm still looking for a Sim2 0.95" DMD projector, whether LED or lamp. But they're real hard to find. Either they're for parts, or the person thinks the projector has somehow gained in value over the original price. So in the meantime I've been slowly setting up my room and trying to figure out which screen would best suit my needs.

I've seen a few Nero 3D-1 projectors on eBay. Cheapest being AUD $2,499. They are lamp based single chip 0.95 DMDs, the they are in Australia and based on listing don't ship overseas.
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Right now I'm still looking for a Sim2 0.95" DMD projector, whether LED or lamp. But they're real hard to find. Either they're for parts, or the person thinks the projector has somehow gained in value over the original price. So in the meantime I've been slowly setting up my room and trying to figure out which screen would best suit my needs. The only technology besides a CRT direct view that does justice to how games played as a kid has been a DLP, even a RPTV version of one.
Hmm. Have you been able to compare motion on any dlp color wheel vs rgb led dlp or 3chip dlp projectors in the past? I personally noticed a big difference in motion when losing the color wheel. I would keep an eye out for 3chip projectors as well, even the 720p sim2s or maybe the sxga+ runcos

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When I was a young teen I visited Circus Circus, Las Vegas. There was an older teen who played with Guile and never once lost for over eight hours straight. I played him, and got utterly destroyed. The game was on a 10 foot wide projector screen. Even though my game only lasted a matter of seconds, I still remember the experience over 28 years later.
Id ask if it was me but I'm a Cammy guy, so...
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You guys keep promoting these older DLP's and I might have to sell my old Marantz VP12S4.
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Id ask if it was me but I'm a Cammy guy, so...
But have you ever defeated Shen Long with her?

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That one is only 720P resolution?
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Barco Fl32 is also very good, very cost-effective.
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As much as would love to upgrade to a 4K projector..........I love the image my Sim2 Mico 50 puts out. I would like a little brighter image, which I'll try to achieve via a higher gain screen ( 1.5 max ) and also get it ISF calibrated.
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As much as would love to upgrade to a 4K projector..........I love the image my Sim2 Mico 50 puts out. I would like a little brighter image, which I'll try to achieve via a higher gain screen ( 1.5 max ) and also get it ISF calibrated.
why dont you try and get an anamorphic lens, it ll increase ur brightness by around 35%.

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why dont you try and get an anamorphic lens, it ll increase ur brightness by around 35%.
I owned a Isco 3L which was the best lens out there. I sold it and must say I wish I didn't. That said, the best thing now for me is to just make a move towards a screen solution.

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I owned a Isco 3L which was the best lens out there. I sold it and must say I wish I didn't. That said, the best thing now for me is to just make a move towards a screen solution.
I have a Stewart Cima Neve. I'm very happy with it. I think Stewart makes incredible screens.
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Is anyone can answer how HTPC Madvr decode/convert HDR in old 1080P P3 PJ?
Dese it converter HDR content to SDR? If so, does the color gamut limit to REC.709?
Do I select HDR pass through or ...
Anyway, My question is how does 1080P P3 PJ reproduce 4K HDR in P3 gamut?

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Is anyone can answer how HTPC Madvr decode/convert HDR in old 1080P P3 PJ?
Dese it converter HDR content to SDR? If so, does the color gamut limit to REC.709?
Do I select HDR pass through or ...
Anyway, My question is how does 1080P P3 PJ reproduce 4K HDR in P3 gamut?

Appreciate for the answer.
You would use convert HDR to SDR using pixel shader math. Then you would create a 3dlut with a colorimeter and in Calibration youd set it to calibrate display using 3dlut

Alternatively you may be able to set it to DCIP3 if the display has a preset p3 gamut, but i dont know if that works.
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hello guys, i just received my Sim2 M.150 projector, this thing weight like 80pounds!! damn is it heavy , i m just starting to test things but god the reds looks amazing, will update late with pictures after i do 3dlut calibration and i dive deep in its menus to understand it more.
the lens on it is top notch! using madvr and playing 4k movies its really hard to tell that i m watching 1080p image, its that sharp and clear, really hard to tell a difference and lately i noticed that motion is really smooth without a soap opera effect.
its also very quite , i read a lot that its noisy but really its as lound as my jvc rs440 at low lamp , u can barely hear it, my room is cool and not warm so that might be helping.
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hello guys, i just received my Sim2 M.150 projector, this thing weight like 80pounds!! damn is it heavy , i m just starting to test things but god the reds looks amazing, will update late with pictures after i do 3dlut calibration and i dive deep in its menus to understand it more.
the lens on it is top notch! using madvr and playing 4k movies its really hard to tell that i m watching 1080p image, its that sharp and clear, really hard to tell a difference and lately i noticed that motion is really smooth without a soap opera effect.
its also very quite , i read a lot that its noisy but really its as lound as my jvc rs440 at low lamp , u can barely hear it, my room is cool and not warm so that might be helping.
Gz! Very happy it made it in one piece and is working well.

Fan noise is low on these units but if you put up a white test pattern or a brighter scene youll probably be able to hear the coil whine from led driver supply.
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Gz! Very happy it made it in one piece and is working well.

Fan noise is low on these units but if you put up a white test pattern or a brighter scene youll probably be able to hear the coil whine from led driver supply.
It actually had an issue with focusing the image past a certain zoom point, i called Sim2 and they told me to open it and losen up the rotating rings, did just that and it worked, i guess during shipping it was resting on the lens most of the time.

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hello guys, i just received my Sim2 M.150 projector, this thing weight like 80pounds!! damn is it heavy , i m just starting to test things but god the reds looks amazing, will update late with pictures after i do 3dlut calibration and i dive deep in its menus to understand it more.
the lens on it is top notch! using madvr and playing 4k movies its really hard to tell that i m watching 1080p image, its that sharp and clear, really hard to tell a difference and lately i noticed that motion is really smooth without a soap opera effect.
its also very quite , i read a lot that its noisy but really its as lound as my jvc rs440 at low lamp , u can barely hear it, my room is cool and not warm so that might be helping.
Congrats. How do you like it compared with your BenQ LK970 and JVC RS440?
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Congrats. How do you like it compared with your BenQ LK970 and JVC RS440?
I m still fidlling with its settings and calibrating it , it actually needs a separate software to manually calibrate so need to set up that up.

But from a quick viewing from my favorite scenes it honestly better than both!!

contrast is really amazing, on par with my JVC , i wasnt expecting that, colors are out of this world , never seen reds/green this rich and deep.
but what really got me by surprise is how close it is during movies to actual 4k, i bet in a blind test it ll be extreemly hard to tell the difference during playback, that how razor sharp it is , the lens is even better than my LK970 lens, the only place i can tell the difference is at windows desktop.

i m getting 16fl on screen brightness but feels brighter than my JVC which is around 21fl.

ill take some pics when i dial it up a little more

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I m still fidlling with its settings and calibrating it , it actually needs a separate software to manually calibrate so need to set up that up.

But from a quick viewing from my favorite scenes it honestly better than both!!

contrast is really amazing, on par with my JVC , i wasnt expecting that, colors are out of this world , never seen reds/green this rich and deep.
but what really got me by surprise is how close it is during movies to actual 4k, i bet in a blind test it ll be extreemly hard to tell the difference during playback, that how razor sharp it is , the lens is even better than my LK970 lens, the only place i can tell the difference is at windows desktop.

i m getting 16fl on screen brightness but feels brighter than my JVC which is around 21fl.

ill take some pics when i dial it up a little more
Sounds about right. That is a great unit Tnaik4. Amazing lens and great contrast. Congrats it is the best of its breed in my opinion.
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i m getting 16fl on screen brightness but feels brighter than my JVC which is around 21fl.
And that's with that high hours? That's re-assuring!
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Gz! Very happy it made it in one piece and is working well.

Fan noise is low on these units but if you put up a white test pattern or a brighter scene youll probably be able to hear the coil whine from led driver supply.
Brian,

You just rained on the parade!

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You just rained on the parade!
Lol! Well, better than diggin his finger into his ear wondering if hes going insane during brighter scenes ;]
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Lol! Well, better than diggin his finger into his ear wondering if hes going insane during brighter scenes ;]
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I m still fidlling with its settings and calibrating it , it actually needs a separate software to manually calibrate so need to set up that up.

But from a quick viewing from my favorite scenes it honestly better than both!!

contrast is really amazing, on par with my JVC , i wasnt expecting that, colors are out of this world , never seen reds/green this rich and deep.
but what really got me by surprise is how close it is during movies to actual 4k, i bet in a blind test it ll be extreemly hard to tell the difference during playback, that how razor sharp it is , the lens is even better than my LK970 lens, the only place i can tell the difference is at windows desktop.

i m getting 16fl on screen brightness but feels brighter than my JVC which is around 21fl.

ill take some pics when i dial it up a little more
That's awesome to hear! I was telling someone about how good these higher-end DLPs can look. I mean if it can compete with the sharpness of the LK970 and the blacks on par with the JVC ...WOW nice!
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The Sim2 M. 150 appears to be an outstanding projector. I just read this professional review which was authored before UHD consumer source players/discs were a thing and the reviewer preferred the Mico 150 to one of the older native 4K Sony projectors that had the ARC-F lens: https://hometheaterreview.com/sim2-m...ctor-reviewed/
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