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JVC NX-7 a worthwhile upgrade over Epson LS10000?

I’m currently using an Epson LS10000 on a 130” scope screen (1.3 gain) and am overall happy with the projector but I have recently been considering the JVC NX-7 and I would love some input...

Is this a worthwhile upgrade? I’m doing everything I can to get the most out of the LS10000 including HDR to SDR conversion while preserving BT2020 but would enjoy not having to constantly tweak the picture based on the film. I do have lots of UHD content at this point. That said, I swore after experiencing a laser source that I’d never to back to a bulb based projector. Unfortunately $25k for the laser JVC ain’t happening...

Minor question, would my current Oppo 203 pair with the JVC HDR optimizer or is it really best to use the Panasonic UB9000?

I appreciate any input, thanks.

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I’m currently using an Epson LS10000 on a 130” scope screen (1.3 gain) and am overall happy with the projector but I have recently been considering the JVC NX-7 and I would love some input...

Is this a worthwhile upgrade? I’m doing everything I can to get the most out of the LS10000 including HDR to SDR conversion while preserving BT2020 but would enjoy not having to constantly tweak the picture based on the film. I do have lots of UHD content at this point. That said, I swore after experiencing a laser source that I’d never to back to a bulb based projector. Unfortunately $25k for the laser JVC ain’t happening...

Minor question, would my current Oppo 203 pair with the JVC HDR optimizer or is it really best to use the Panasonic UB9000?

I appreciate any input, thanks.
Your Oppo 203 will work fine. With dynamic tone mapping for HDR, and native 4K, I would consider an RS2000 / NX7 to be a step up. Also, you can get a JVC RS4500 for less than $25K. Check around. Nobody pays MSRP.

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Your Oppo 203 will work fine. With dynamic tone mapping for HDR, and native 4K, I would consider an RS2000 / NX7 to be a step up. Also, you can get a JVC RS4500 for less than $25K. Check around. Nobody pays MSRP.
Unless the street price is closer to $10K, it’s out (my wife would murder me).

The more I read about the NX7 and the features it has and the simplicity of setup I think it would be a step up even without the laser engine. I’m just trying to figure out if it would be a small step or a big one.
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For $10G it ought to be a big one. I’d hold tight if I were you. HDMI 2.1 is right around the corner, and the NX7 doesn’t have it.

Since you gave a good projector right now you can wait one more year and catch the new models that have HDMI 2.1

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For $10G it ought to be a big one. I’d hold tight if I were you. HDMI 2.1 is right around the corner, and the NX7 doesn’t have it.

Since you gave a good projector right now you can wait one more year and catch the new models that have HDMI 2.1
After sleeping on it, I’m leaning towards holding out. I was just revisiting the idea of color shift and lumen loss with bulb aging and I started thinking I REALLY want a laser light source still. Maybe, just maybe, Epson will get back in the game and a sub $10k 4K option... Or maybe JVC will come out with a revised Z1/R4500 that’s a bit more affordable.

What will HDMI 2.1 get me exactly? I mean isn’t everything above 4K, 60Hz just theoretical stuff anyway?
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After sleeping on it, I’m leaning towards holding out. I was just revisiting the idea of color shift and lumen loss with bulb aging and I started thinking I REALLY want a laser light source still. Maybe, just maybe, Epson will get back in the game and a sub $10k 4K option... Or maybe JVC will come out with a revised Z1/R4500 that’s a bit more affordable.

What will HDMI 2.1 get me exactly? I mean isn’t everything above 4K, 60Hz just theoretical stuff anyway?
Not much. Variable refresh rate for games, but since the projector is going to be 4K, really nothing else too beneficial.

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For $10G it ought to be a big one. I’️d hold tight if I were you. HDMI 2.1 is right around the corner, and the NX7 doesn’️t have it.

Since you gave a good projector right now you can wait one more year and catch the new models that have HDMI 2.1
After sleeping on it, I’️m leaning towards holding out. I was just revisiting the idea of color shift and lumen loss with bulb aging and I started thinking I REALLY want a laser light source still. Maybe, just maybe, Epson will get back in the game and a sub $10k 4K option... Or maybe JVC will come out with a revised Z1/R4500 that’️s a bit more affordable.

What will HDMI 2.1 get me exactly? I mean isn’️t everything above 4K, 60Hz just theoretical stuff anyway?
Probably the big three I see are:
VRR for significantly improved smoothness on games from PC or gaming console. Practical now! Think of this like the complete elimination of the feeling of judder, 3:2 pulldown stutter, frame rate inconsistencies feel, etc. Its a big deal.

4K, 120hz capability. 8K and 10K 120hz capability too. HDMI 2.0 to 2.1 goes from 18Gbps to 48Gbps bandwidth

Dynamic HDR (frame by frame application of HDR)

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Probably the big three I see are:
VRR for significantly improved smoothness on games from PC or gaming console. Practical now! Think of this like the complete elimination of the feeling of judder, 3:2 pulldown stutter, etc. its a big deal.

4K, 120hz capability. 8K and 10K 120hz capability too.

Dynamic HDR


It’s going to be years before this is fully implemented. And years before there are projectors that take advantage of it. And I’ll still be watching 4K Blu-ray’s anyway!


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It’s going to be years before this is fully implemented. And years before there are projectors that take advantage of it. And I’ll still be watching 4K Blu-ray’s anyway!


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Yep, the only ones that are going to get any benefit of 2.1 on a projector are going to be those that have a high end PC and only then for gaming. And I even think the gamers are going to disappointed in what is offered vs what they are expecting.
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Probably the big three I see are:
VRR for significantly improved smoothness on games from PC or gaming console. Practical now! Think of this like the complete elimination of the feeling of judder, 3:2 pulldown stutter, etc. its a big deal.

4K, 120hz capability. 8K and 10K 120hz capability too.

Dynamic HDR


It’️s going to be years before this is fully implemented. And years before there are projectors that take advantage of it. And I’️ll still be watching 4K Blu-ray’️s anyway!


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1 year is my expectation before it is available. Likely on some 2020 models. Maybe not from JVC’s models in 2020, but it is coming.

And he can watch 4k blurays now on a great looking image from his laser projector. Is it as pretty a picture as the NX-7? No. But with that tech at the doorstep and he already owning a nice projector he may want to carefully consider his options. If not a gamer it isn't perhaps as big a deal, but VRR spoils you. Once I started using it in 2017 on my PC monitors it has been unacceptable (and obvious) when I don't have it. Its a bit of a side bullet in most articles. But for gamers - VRR and high refresh are a tremendous combination and absolutely worth waiting for (if on a comfortable platform now)
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1 year is my expectation before it is available. Likely on some 2020 models. Maybe not from JVC’s models in 2020, but it is coming.

And he can watch 4k blurays now on a great looking image from his laser projector. Is it as pretty a picture as the NX-7? No. But with that tech at the doorstep and he already owning a nice projector he may want to carefully consider his options. If not a gamer it isn't perhaps as big a deal, but VRR spoils you. Once I started using it in 2017 on my PC monitors it has been unacceptable (and obvious) when I don't have it. Its a bit of a side bullet in most articles. But for gamers - VRR and high refresh are a tremendous combination and absolutely worth waiting for (if on a comfortable platform now)
If it does not come from JVC, Sony or Epson (LQOS) then it will not be worth the tradeoff of low native contrast. And as I said, if not a PC gamer, then it does not matter, at least not for several years.
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If I’m going to drop $6-10,000 I do want the change to be pretty significant.... Gaming not a big deal to me. I’m looking for more punch to my picture and proper handling of HDR.
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If I’m going to drop $6-10,000 I do want the change to be pretty significant.... Gaming not a big deal to me. I’m looking for more punch to my picture and proper handling of HDR.
The current JVC's have both " punch " to the picture and with dynamic tone mapping, they handle HDR better than anything else ( other than a HTPC with MadVR or a Lumagen Radiance Pro ).

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In my opinion, there is no contest between the LS10000 and NX7. The LS10000 is a very good projector (I used to own one), but the JVC is in another league especially for sharpness, tone mapping, and contrast. It's also brighter, much better lens, better grey uniformity, and obviously native 4K.

As far as lamps vs laser; the latest JVC lamps are very stable and we know laser still drifts and isn't the panacea we hoped it would be (so far anyway).
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A couple things to consider also. I heard that American Express is dropping their extra warranty coverage January 1st and I bet within the next year, sales tax will automaticlly be collected in all states.
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While I cannot say if the upgrade is worth it to you or not I can give you my experience over the past week.

I currently own a JVC X790 and for some reason or another I was considering an upgrade to the NX7. I was able to test out the NX7 and even though the setup wasn’t ideal it gave me a good idea of what it was capable of doing. I even had one on order and just cancelled it and here is why.

Over the weekend I was lucky enough to visit another forum members theater who happened to have an NX5. Now I know it wasn’t going to have the contrast of the NX7 or the wider colour gamut but other then that they would be a close comparison for the picture itself.

Here are my take aways and I may have listed a few of these in another thread:

1. The picture has a calmness to it that I hadn’t seen in a projector of previous generations
2. The colors did seem to pop a bit more
3. The projector is very quiet
4. Switching inputs still has a lag and very comparable to my X790
5. All four corners had bright corners on a totally blacked out screen. These were not visible on normal content
6. The Dynamic iris does not close down anywhere as much as the X790 so I saw no visible pumping during the content that I was viewing in HDR
7. The native contrast does not match the X790. The NX7 may come close by neither machine will surpass it
8. My projector is an eShift projector so I was really curious to see the difference between it and a native 4k projector. I played many different clips of movies that I have seen multiple times and to my surprise the difference wasn’t as great as I thought it would be. I noticed it but it was not a night/day difference. Now I am only on a 100” screen so this would be more of a benefit to you on a 130” screen.
9. The Dynamic tone mapping works really well! It is kind of a set it and forget it setting. If I had this on my X790 I am not sure if I would of even been looking at the new models.

Overall both the NX5 and the NX7 are superior to my X790 in every aspect except for the contrast ratio. If I was upgrading from an older projector then I wouldn’t flinch at picking up the NX7.

So why did I then cancel my NX7? The biggest reason was that even though the NX5 and NX7 are superior to my X790 they didn’t blow me out of the water like I thought they would. For myself I guess that is what I was looking for when having to spend this type of money. I have wanted a laser projector for some time so hopefully holding out on this upgrade will pay off in a few years if the price start trickling down on them.

The best advice I can give is to find an NX7 being demoed, bring your own material and then you will know if the upgrade is worth it to you!
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So after convincing myself I didn’t need to upgrade, I’m reconsidering that thought... The NX-7 would be 400 lumens brighter than the Epson, I love the idea of set it and forget it HDR processing and I think since I’m zooming to fill a 130” wide scope screen (149” if 16:9) I think I would appreciate the resolution differences.

I like the idea of the auto calibration but is it true the i1 sensor is like $1500 bucks?
Also, I guess I have a bias against bulbs because my projector before my current Epson was an JVC X3 and those bulbs died after 150 hours.
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So after convincing myself I didn’️t need to upgrade, I’️m reconsidering that thought... The NX-7 would be 400 lumens brighter than the Epson, I love the idea of set it and forget it HDR processing and I think since I’️m zooming to fill a 130” wide scope screen (149” if 16:9) I think I would appreciate the resolution differences.

I like the idea of the auto calibration but is it true the i1 sensor is like $1500 bucks?
Also, I guess I have a bias against bulbs because my projector before my current Epson was an JVC X3 and those bulbs died after 150 hours.
The bulbs are very good on the newer models. If your running on high for HDR material you will get less life on the bulb.

Out of the box the colours are very good on these projectors. You may be good without a calibration off the start.
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You may want to check out the BenQ 9069. LED light engine, fantastic lens, amazing edge to edge, even brightness. Worth a look.
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So after convincing myself I didn’t need to upgrade, I’m reconsidering that thought... The NX-7 would be 400 lumens brighter than the Epson, I love the idea of set it and forget it HDR processing and I think since I’m zooming to fill a 130” wide scope screen (149” if 16:9) I think I would appreciate the resolution differences.

I like the idea of the auto calibration but is it true the i1 sensor is like $1500 bucks?
Also, I guess I have a bias against bulbs because my projector before my current Epson was an JVC X3 and those bulbs died after 150 hours.
Those were the worst lamps JVC made. They have pretty much corrected that fiasco and made excellent lamps starting with the RS400 / 500 and 600.

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... 9. The Dynamic tone mapping works really well! It is kind of a set it and forget it setting. If I had this on my X790 I am not sure if I would of even been looking at the new models.
If you plan to hold into your x790 awhile longer, i may have a solution for you. Follow the link in my sig. I hope to be able to make a comparison of this Dolby Vision hack on a NX7 in two weeks. The test would be to compare the jvc DTM to the Dolby Vision LLDV.

I have been using the Sony x800m2 player for a week and it out performing the best the ub820 can do with both Dolby Vision 4k HDR titles AND 4k HDR10 titles.

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If you plan to hold into your x790 awhile longer, i may have a solution for you. Follow the link in my sig. I hope to be able to make a comparison of this Dolby Vision hack on a NX7 in two weeks. The test would be to compare the jvc DTM to the Dolby Vision LLDV.

I have been using the Sony x800m2 player for a week and it out performing the best the ub820 can do with both Dolby Vision 4k HDR titles AND 4k HDR10 titles.
interesting but I currently stream all my movies through Plex using a Nvidia Shield as MKV files.
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I have been using the Sony x800m2 player for a week and it out performing the best the ub820 can do with both Dolby Vision 4k HDR titles AND 4k HDR10 titles.
Bit off track but.......Yeah i DONT see why the Panasonic players are put on such a high pedastal ... i have the UB9000 and it has been gathering dust for ages now.

I use MadVR for DTM , but with the advent of JVC,s new DTM ....IMO the "old" Oppo 203 that i still have performs better than the UB9000 in many area,s !

Panasonic UB820 and UB9000 are highly overated..
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Regarding VRR, a couple daysago, TomsHardware had a story that the new LG OLED televisions would support G-Sync. So hopefully this will drive PJ manufacturers to adopt VRR technology sooner rather than later.

Ironically, this will probably hit lower end projectors marketed as "Gaming projectors" before it hits serious home theater projectors...

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Bit off track but.......Yeah i DONT see why the Panasonic players are put on such a high pedastal ... i have the UB9000 and it has been gathering dust for ages now.

I use MadVR for DTM , but with the advent of JVC,s new DTM ....IMO the "old" Oppo 203 that i still have performs better than the UB9000 in many area,s !

Panasonic UB820 and UB9000 are highly overated..
Better in what way? Please explain.

Either way, the Oppo is out of the picture, it's discontinued. On Ebay they go used from $1000-$1500, equal to or in most cases even more than the UB9000. From what I gather the Panasonic UB9000 is the currently best 4K player available that is supported and not discontinued.
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While I cannot say if the upgrade is worth it to you or not I can give you my experience over the past week.

I currently own a JVC X790 and for some reason or another I was considering an upgrade to the NX7. I was able to test out the NX7 and even though the setup wasn’t ideal it gave me a good idea of what it was capable of doing. I even had one on order and just cancelled it and here is why.

Over the weekend I was lucky enough to visit another forum members theater who happened to have an NX5. Now I know it wasn’t going to have the contrast of the NX7 or the wider colour gamut but other then that they would be a close comparison for the picture itself.

Here are my take aways and I may have listed a few of these in another thread:

1. The picture has a calmness to it that I hadn’t seen in a projector of previous generations
2. The colors did seem to pop a bit more
3. The projector is very quiet
4. Switching inputs still has a lag and very comparable to my X790
5. All four corners had bright corners on a totally blacked out screen. These were not visible on normal content
6. The Dynamic iris does not close down anywhere as much as the X790 so I saw no visible pumping during the content that I was viewing in HDR
7. The native contrast does not match the X790. The NX7 may come close by neither machine will surpass it
8. My projector is an eShift projector so I was really curious to see the difference between it and a native 4k projector. I played many different clips of movies that I have seen multiple times and to my surprise the difference wasn’t as great as I thought it would be. I noticed it but it was not a night/day difference. Now I am only on a 100” screen so this would be more of a benefit to you on a 130” screen.
9. The Dynamic tone mapping works really well! It is kind of a set it and forget it setting. If I had this on my X790 I am not sure if I would of even been looking at the new models.

Overall both the NX5 and the NX7 are superior to my X790 in every aspect except for the contrast ratio. If I was upgrading from an older projector then I wouldn’t flinch at picking up the NX7.

So why did I then cancel my NX7? The biggest reason was that even though the NX5 and NX7 are superior to my X790 they didn’t blow me out of the water like I thought they would. For myself I guess that is what I was looking for when having to spend this type of money. I have wanted a laser projector for some time so hopefully holding out on this upgrade will pay off in a few years if the price start trickling down on them.

The best advice I can give is to find an NX7 being demoed, bring your own material and then you will know if the upgrade is worth it to you!
I demo'd two NX5s and was not impressed because perhaps they were not set up correctly. Anyway, if I went by those NX5 demos, I probably would not have gotten my NX7.

You're right on that the images from these new native 4K JVCs look very stable/calm. As far as dynamic tone mapping, I'm still figuring how to configure everything as my lamp dims over time.
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I demo'd two NX5s and was not impressed because perhaps they were not set up correctly. Anyway, if I went by those NX5 demos, I probably would not have gotten my NX7.

You're right on that the images from these new native 4K JVCs look very stable/calm. As far as dynamic tone mapping, I'm still figuring how to configure everything as my lamp dims over time.
So are you happy with the purchase of your NX7? How long do you think you'll keep it before another upgrade?
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So are you happy with the purchase of your NX7? How long do you think you'll keep it before another upgrade?
I'm overall happy with it. I hope to keep it for a long time.
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I'm overall happy with it. I hope to keep it for a long time.


Didn’t you have a BenQ HT9060?

If so, thoughts?

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Didn’t you have a BenQ HT9060?

If so, thoughts?
I had the 9060. What an incredible lens and very nice color capability on that projector. The lens is superior to the one on the NX7. And it's an HLD, LED projector...very bright too, about 1700 lumens calibrated, and nearly silent. I thought contrast was acceptable but couldn't use external tone mapping and display wide color at the same time; moreover, 3D was not what I expected from a DLP projector.
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