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Help Needed : JVC NX5 Projector 3D Quality

Hi i would love the help from an owner like myself who loves 3D and has moved from a Sony HW Series 3D 1080p projector to a JVC NX 4k series.

I loved the 3D on my old HW50es, great sense of depth and reasonable pop-out, only slight crosstalk. I tried a Sony VW270es, it felt like my old HW50es but in 4k. I decided the upgrade was not sufficient as the black levels and contrast too similar.

With its superior blacks and contrast the NX5 is very compelling. However in the past (last time i tried 5yrs ago) JVC had the worst 3D, really bad crosstalk. What is the 3D of the NX series like, how does it compare to a Sony HW series?

Thanks for your help and hope someone here has done a similar upgrade.

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I am also interested in this question. From reading various threads, I got the impression that the 3D on the NX series was not as good as the outgoing generation (X790) with native 1080p panels.

I have gone down the 2 projector solution, with a DLP for 3D use. With the advent of 4K DLPs, they also seem to have a poor 3D implementation compared to the 1080p native models.

The only option that seemed like a upgrade from my DLP, was a 3 Chip Sim2. Bit too expense for just 3D movies. Comparing the 96Hz refresh rate on my Sony HW45ES, I definitely prefer the 144Hz refresh on my DLP for 3D, despite the poor colours and occasional rainbow. I also preferred the 3D Sync connection over DLP-Link. Unfortunately the DLP-Link is the only option available on most newer DLPs.
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Hi i would love the help from an owner like myself who loves 3D and has moved from a Sony HW Series 3D 1080p projector to a JVC NX 4k series.

I loved the 3D on my old HW50es, great sense of depth and reasonable pop-out, only slight crosstalk. I tried a Sony VW270es, it felt like my old HW50es but in 4k. I decided the upgrade was not sufficient as the black levels and contrast too similar.

With its superior blacks and contrast the NX5 is very compelling. However in the past (last time i tried 5yrs ago) JVC had the worst 3D, really bad crosstalk. What is the 3D of the NX series like, how does it compare to a Sony HW series?

Thanks for your help and hope someone here has done a similar upgrade.

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A lot changed between now and five years ago. Back then, JVC had some of the worst 3D, due to ghosting and dim image. Now JVC has some of the best 3D around.
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I am also interested in this question. From reading various threads, I got the impression that the 3D on the NX series was not as good as the outgoing generation (X790) with native 1080p panels.

I have gone down the 2 projector solution, with a DLP for 3D use. With the advent of 4K DLPs, they also seem to have a poor 3D implementation compared to the 1080p native models.

The only option that seemed like a upgrade from my DLP, was a 3 Chip Sim2. Bit too expense for just 3D movies. Comparing the 96Hz refresh rate on my Sony HW45ES, I definitely prefer the 144Hz refresh on my DLP for 3D, despite the poor colours and occasional rainbow. I also preferred the 3D Sync connection over DLP-Link. Unfortunately the DLP-Link is the only option available on most newer DLPs.
Hi, the 3D on the new 4K models is very similar overall to the outgoing e-shift series. Same brightness and excellent crosstalk controls for a non-DLP projector (better than the Sony 1080 & 4K models). It still has the 96hz refresh (48hz per eye) and can be a little fatiguing during long 3D movies.

I still run a dual projector setup. With the DLP I can watch several 3D titles back to back with no issues. With some 3D titles though it's clear where the JVC excels with the lower APL scenes.

Check out Lion King 3D if you haven't already, the 3D is excellent.
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Thanks you for your replies. Its good to know Zombie that 3D is excellent.
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Just got an NX7 a few days ago to replace my JVC 950RB and I’m loving the 3D quality. Colours are punchier, haven’t notice any cross talk and great 3D depth/pop with the few scenes I demoed with Guardians of the Galaxy Vol.2 and Alita: Battle Angel. Using Hi-Shock glasses, Xpand Emitter, Aperture to -6, low lamp projecting onto a 106” screen

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Hi Invadergir, thanks for your reply, and so pleased you enjoying your N7. What 3D projectors have you had before it?

Shame this one is out of my budget.
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Hi i would love the help from an owner like myself who loves 3D and has moved from a Sony HW Series 3D 1080p projector to a JVC NX 4k series.

I loved the 3D on my old HW50es, great sense of depth and reasonable pop-out, only slight crosstalk. I tried a Sony VW270es, it felt like my old HW50es but in 4k. I decided the upgrade was not sufficient as the black levels and contrast too similar.

With its superior blacks and contrast the NX5 is very compelling. However in the past (last time i tried 5yrs ago) JVC had the worst 3D, really bad crosstalk. What is the 3D of the NX series like, how does it compare to a Sony HW series?

Thanks for your help and hope someone here has done a similar upgrade.

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hi, i've had the HW50,55 and 65 here. starting with the 2015-2016 JVC's (RS400/500/600) & current 4K series, you would see a considerable improvement in 3D regarding brightness and crosstalk abilities. The JVC has some of the best x-talk control's i've seen vs. Sony/Epson, past and present models.

For reference, the Sony/JVC are 96hz refresh rate in 3D mode, 48hz per eye which can produce some perceived flicker depending on how sensitive you are to it. If it didn't bother you on the Sony, it will be fine on the JVC. Epson is 120hz (60 hz per eye) but more crosstalk so a trade off is there.
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hi, i've had the HW50,55 and 65 here. starting with the 2015-2016 JVC's (RS400/500/600) & current 4K series, you would see a considerable improvement in 3D regarding brightness and crosstalk abilities. The JVC has some of the best x-talk control's i've seen vs. Sony/Epson, past and present models.

For reference, the Sony/JVC are 96hz refresh rate in 3D mode, 48hz per eye which can produce some perceived flicker depending on how sensitive you are to it. If it didn't bother you on the Sony, it will be fine on the JVC. Epson is 120hz (60 hz per eye) but more crosstalk so a trade off is there.
Hi Zombie, wow sounds like i will love the N5, yet its so frusttrating the N7 with double the contrast is an eye watering 8.5k Your reply is the most informative ive seen. I never knew there was a difference in the refresh. 60hz is perfect s it will match the games i play in 3D. Seems like now i need to splash out the cash Its made up my mind it has to be a JVC... can i find a cheaper N7....

If its better than the HW50es then im going to be super happy as the sony 3D is superb, just lacked brightlness and only rarely was the Xtalk distracting. The JVC sounds like its going to ace it.
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Hi Invadergir, thanks for your reply, and so pleased you enjoying your N7. What 3D projectors have you had before it?

Shame this one is out of my budget.
Started with a Sony 40ES, then my JVC 950RB to my current NX7. Each producing a better 3D experience with every purchase. The NX5 is still an amazing looking projector from what I saw demoed (not the 3D) at the showroom I bought my NX7 from

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Hi Zombie, wow sounds like i will love the N5, yet its so frusttrating the N7 with double the contrast is an eye watering 8.5k Your reply is the most informative ive seen. I never knew there was a difference in the refresh. 60hz is perfect s it will match the games i play in 3D. Seems like now i need to splash out the cash Its made up my mind it has to be a JVC... can i find a cheaper N7....

If its better than the HW50es then im going to be super happy as the sony 3D is superb, just lacked brightlness and only rarely was the Xtalk distracting. The JVC sounds like its going to ace it.
Hi, to be clear, the JVC (previous models and 4K models) only play 3D with 96 hz refresh rate, so each eye is only seeing 48hz. If it was at 120hz (Epson only), it would be 60hz per eye which is generally considered the lowest refresh rate for a rock solid image in 3D. If it didn't bother you with the Sony, it won't be an issue with the JVC.

I wouldn't worry about the contrast difference between the 2 models, the N5 is many times the native contrast of the HW50 which in it's best day was only around 6000:1 native. check with the JVC dealers to see if you can locate a b-stock model which usually have great prices.
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Fantastic you both can relate to what i currently own.

I was wondering,

The JVC NX5 contrast is 40k and its 1800lumins.
The JVC X7900 contrast is 130k and its 1900lumin.

Logic says the x7900 should be slightly better for 3D. And i can get new for almost half the price of the N5

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Arh Zombie thanks i misread you first time. Thanks for taking time to correct me
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I would personally spend the extra money and opt for the NX5 personally, especially with the latest HDR tone mapping update. Can also use the same new Frame By Frame for 3D playback as well and it looks amazing. Plus I too wouldn’t worry about the contrast issue because of this new update. My 950RB had a dynamic contrast Of 1,500,000:1 compare to my NX7 which is rated at Only 800,000:1. Both were never calibrated but the picture quality and perceived contrast already outperforms the 950RB with my new NX7, for my eyes anyways

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Fantastic you both can relate to what i currently own.

I was wondering,

The JVC NX5 contrast is 40k and its 1800lumins.
The JVC X7900 contrast is 130k and its 1900lumin.

Logic says the x7900 should be slightly better for 3D. And i can get new for almost half the price of the N5
That's a tough decision, but for half price, I would probably go with the x7900 and use MadVR for the tone mapping.
However, it's a 50/50 kind of thing IMO.

The issue is there are a lot of other things you could spend that extra money on (screen, speakers, media, seating, etc...).
So I guess it really depends on your own budget.

You might also consider a dual projector setup if it fits, get the x7900 and a 4k DLP (like a refurb Benq, Optoma, or Viewsonic). I've seen some Viewsonic Refurbs for $799.
There can be many advantages of having two projectors.

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That's a tough decision, but for half price, I would probably go with the x7900 and use MadVR for the tone mapping.
However, it's a 50/50 kind of thing IMO.

The issue is there are a lot of other things you could spend that extra money on (screen, speakers, media, seating, etc...).
So I guess it really depends on your own budget.

You might also consider a dual projector setup if it fits, get the x7900 and a 4k DLP (like a refurb Benq, Optoma, or Viewsonic). I've seen some Viewsonic Refurbs for $799.
There can be many advantages of having two projectors.
Hum yes ive been watching videos of the DLP 4k projectors and they sure look sharper then the LCD ones. And much more affordable.
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It's partly luck and sample variance with any NON-DLP, however the JVC NX-5 does have the advantage of being Native 4k, but it's really not an advantage vs. a good DLP pixel shifter since the pixel shifting is still sharper in some cases than a Native JVC.

The black levels on these DLP's are pretty awful, so that is why I would mainly want one as a secondary and not a primary setup.
They are great for documentaries and that kind of thing, and real bright HDR to just WOW you.

With a JVC vs. budget DLP, the JVC can be almost the same sharpness from seating distance to quite a bit less sharp.
This is more of a luck of the draw. DLP has a very slightly more solid and cleaner image, though that is in comparing it to RS-400, not sure about NX-5.
Some people say the NX-5 is cleaner, but it's probably still not quite as a clean as a DLP image. Though we are talking tiny fractional differences, but I just prefer having 2 projectors.

The best super cheap DLP's for a second PJ setup are the refurb Optoma UHD50/51a/60, the Viewsonic 727 (or 747 if willing to calibrate and want brighter HDR), or even the refurb Vivitek hk2299.
There are also some refurb Benq's, but all sold out. As well as you can find some Acers. I don't know much about the Acers, my pick is generally the Optomas because they are quieter than some of the others.

The refurbs are a bit hard to find at the moment, as so many sold out due to Black Friday, but they should be back.
The Viewsonics are sometimes not even worth buying refurbs, as they are almost as cheap new.

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Keep in mind that many of these cheap 4k DLP's don't have 3D, a few do.
Not sure how good the 3D is on some of these cheap 4k DLP's, as I've heard mixed things, never seen them in 3D myself, only 2D so far.

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Per noise on these cheap DLP's, some of them make some really annoying noises, so it's not just the fan noise.
The Optomas mostly seemed really quiet to me in low lamp, but man in high they were also noisy.

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