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The green tint is for lamp based projectors, not sure if this is the case on on lasers. The issue with the HU85 and medium is probably a different kind of issue.
Regardless of the actual technical cause/reason, when switching it from full output to a lower output, the image takes on a noticeably green tint.

And at least with my two previous rptv DLP's (lamp based), I actually did not see/notice any color shift when switching between high/low output. Which is why it was so surprising on the LG.
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A projector setup can't match a TV in ambient light, of course. What it can deliver is a higher diagonal screen. From the comparison in the previous post, the 120" looked significantly better than the 85". For sports.
Personally I would even go for a non ALR 150" screen with the Optoma just because of how big it would look. But I would prioritize size over picture quality.

I would say the whites with an ALR screen in ambient look acceptable.

These two examples are with more ambient light than you'd probably have:


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@purduesd although different people have different preferences for how bright the image should be, 150" with the NX5 might be too much.
AT screens are usually at best 1.0 gain. An 150" 16:9 screen is 66.71 ft². With 1500 lumens for High lamp and 1000 for Low would result in 22fL and 15fL. Lamps dim with time. The general recommended brightness is 10-15fL for SDR and ~20fL for HDR with the NX5. In the dark, with lights off.
These values are on a 1.0 gain screen. Like Mike said an AT screen would be at best 1.0 gain. For an 0.8 gain it's 20% less brightness.

A positive gain ALR screen could be used to increase brightness. AT ALR screens exist, but an AT ALR drop down screen can get very expensive. An ALR screen would also require a 1.8x or so throw ratio, for an 150" screen it's 19.6' lens to screen.
For a screen this size maybe go with the 5050UB and a non ALR screen.

You could make a thread here or research the other threads maybe this topic has been discussed:
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How would the CLR screen react to front projection? I imagine it would be too dark?
I keep going back and re-reading because as i gain projector understanding, your recommendations register differently... Honestly i have so many scenarios to consider without being able to touch and see in person, im all over the map.

I have a couple questions:

1. When considering throw distance... (i've been using the calculator tool from projectorscreen.com) The zoom slider gets me tripped up a bit. What is ideal case here? Take for example the 5050UB In my two examples with zoom adjusted there is a 5' swing in throw. Is setting up distances based on max zoom a bad design?

2. When considering screen size, placement, gain, etc. Would a 120"-130" screen placed above a media cabinet be uncomfortable to watch or bad for immersion? For a dual screen option, placing a center channel for both options is a little tricky.

In my scenario i have multiple options for screen size and placement...ie. drop down in front of the bulk head/ under bulkhea/ fixed on wall. In size ranges between 120" and 150" I also have multiple options for projector placement... Ideally, i'd stay at 13-15' throw distance up on the 9' ceiling side. (depending on where the screen is placed, but this looks unrealistic) -but can go back to 16' or so on the 7'9" ceiling.

You can see what i'm describing here... Painting is in process... walls/ trim will be the same as the dark ceiling pictured... The lower ceiling behind the seating area will remain white.
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I keep going back and re-reading because as i gain projector understanding, your recommendations register differently... Honestly i have so many scenarios to consider without being able to touch and see in person, im all over the map.

I have a couple questions:

1. When considering throw distance... (i've been using the calculator tool from projectorscreen.com) The zoom slider gets me tripped up a bit. What is ideal case here? Take for example the 5050UB In my two examples with zoom adjusted there is a 5' swing in throw. Is setting up distances based on max zoom a bad design?

2. When considering screen size, placement, gain, etc. Would a 120"-130" screen placed above a media cabinet be uncomfortable to watch or bad for immersion? For a dual screen option, placing a center channel for both options is a little tricky.

In my scenario i have multiple options for screen size and placement...ie. drop down in front of the bulk head/ under bulkhea/ fixed on wall. In size ranges between 120" and 150" I also have multiple options for projector placement... Ideally, i'd stay at 13-15' throw distance up on the 9' ceiling side. (depending on where the screen is placed, but this looks unrealistic) -but can go back to 16' or so on the 7'9" ceiling.

You can see what i'm describing here... Painting is in process... walls/ trim will be the same as the dark ceiling pictured... The lower ceiling behind the seating area will remain white.
1. With a low gain AT screen, mount close to short end of the throw range.
2. Depends on how tall the cabinet is. Personally I do not want the equipment up front. It can be distracting.
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1. With a low gain AT screen, mount close to short end of the throw range.
2. Depends on how tall the cabinet is. Personally I do not want the equipment up front. It can be distracting.
By short end of throw range do you mean... full zoom?

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By short end of throw range do you mean... full zoom?

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Towards the closest mounting position for a particular screen size.
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What’s the screen?
It's a painted screen, using a custom mix. I don't have the exact details.
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The closer a projector is, the brighter it will be, but also less sharp.

4K 3LCD on the Epson's with a large enough screen and with the seating position too close, (some people) might find the image not sharp enough.

As it's mentioned above, going from 100% zoom to 0% will result in brightness loss. With the 5050UB it's 27%.

If an ALR screen is going to be used, generally a throw ratio of over 1.8x to 2.0x is recommended. The throw ratio is calculated by the screen width. For instance an 120" 16:9 screen has a width of 104.6, so 1.8 x 104.6 = 188.28‬". Use this site: http://screen-size.info/

The center of the screen should be where the eyes fall while seating. Sit on the couch or whatever is going to be used, in the usual position, and where the center vision is, that is where the center of the screen should be.
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The closer a projector is, the brighter it will be, but also less sharp.

4K 3LCD on the Epson's with a large enough screen and with the seating position too close, (some people) might find the image not sharp enough.

As it's mentioned above, going from 100% zoom to 0% will result in brightness loss. With the 5050UB it's 27%.

If an ALR screen is going to be used, generally a throw ratio of over 1.8x to 2.0x is recommended. The throw ratio is calculated by the screen width. For instance an 120" 16:9 screen has a width of 104.6, so 1.8 x 104.6 = 188.28‬". Use this site: http://screen-size.info/

The center of the screen should be where the eyes fall while seating. Sit on the couch or whatever is going to be used, in the usual position, and where the center vision is, that is where the center of the screen should be.
I haven't found a close mounting position to effect sharpness at all. Focus the projector. See my theater thread for examples -

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/29-wh...l#post58887976
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I haven't found a close mounting position to effect sharpness at all. Focus the projector. See my theater thread for examples -

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/29-wh...l#post58887976
Generally speaking, depends on the projector/lenses. With the 5050UB with it's not great pixel fill, large screen, close viewing distance, there could be a visible difference. 150" was the highest diagonal mentioned, with 14' viewing distance.

Maybe on a high end projector it's not noticeable.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/68-di...m-no-zoom.html
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Generally speaking, depends on the projector/lenses. With the 5050UB with it's not great pixel fill, large screen, close viewing distance, there could be a visible difference. 150" was the highest diagonal mentioned, with 14' viewing distance.

Maybe on a high end projector it's not noticeable.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/68-di...m-no-zoom.html
I can’t agree with any of this based on my own experience with my Epson, mine is mounted 3.1m from my 100” screen and the image is pin sharp. Sharp enough in fact that when compared side by side with a Sony 360es we couldn’t see any difference in sharpness with us sitting 9.5ft from the screen.

Image took from 8ft away


Image took from 4ft away


And by me reckoning 9.5ft from a 100” screen isn’t much different to 14ft from a 150” screen.
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The JVC LX-NZ3 looks sharp too, and I have it mounted at the absolute closest position for my 122" diagonal screen possible.
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I haven't found a close mounting position to effect sharpness at all. Focus the projector. See my theater thread for examples -

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/29-wh...l#post58887976
It’s funny but I’ve took the same images as you have.





Though from a way more humble projector..... Sony HW45.
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I can’t agree with any of this based on my own experience with my Epson, mine is mounted 3.1m from my 100” screen and the image is pin sharp. Sharp enough in fact that when compared side by side with a Sony 360es we couldn’t see any difference in sharpness with us sitting 9.5ft from the screen.


And by me reckoning 9.5ft from a 100” screen isn’t much different to 14ft from a 150” screen.
I think you've seen the comments regarding Epson's pixel fill and sharpness vs. seating distance. Not everyone agrees on this topic.

150" is quite a bit bigger than 100", even from 14'. I don't know if it can be extrapolated like that.
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The closer a projector is, the brighter it will be, but also less sharp.

4K 3LCD on the Epson's with a large enough screen and with the seating position too close, (some people) might find the image not sharp enough.

As it's mentioned above, going from 100% zoom to 0% will result in brightness loss. With the 5050UB it's 27%.

If an ALR screen is going to be used, generally a throw ratio of over 1.8x to 2.0x is recommended. The throw ratio is calculated by the screen width. For instance an 120" 16:9 screen has a width of 104.6, so 1.8 x 104.6 = 188.28‬". Use this site: http://screen-size.info/

The center of the screen should be where the eyes fall while seating. Sit on the couch or whatever is going to be used, in the usual position, and where the center vision is, that is where the center of the screen should be.
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I can’t agree with any of this based on my own experience with my Epson, mine is mounted 3.1m from my 100” screen and the image is pin sharp. Sharp enough in fact that when compared side by side with a Sony 360es we couldn’t see any difference in sharpness with us sitting 9.5ft from the screen.

And by me reckoning 9.5ft from a 100” screen isn’t much different to 14ft from a 150” screen.
OK, for arguments sake:

Let's take my primary wish scenario and put some numbers in ....

150" AT drop down screen (1.0 gain )
12' viewing distance (because screen will go in front of soffit)
Dark walls, ceiling, trim

The JVC NX5 vs the Epson 5050up (both with zoom slider all the way to max wide angle)

Both have about the same throw of under 15'
JVC 28 fL
Epson 39fl

Both are plenty bright for nighttime dark room viewing right?

What am i missing, because the calculator math is different than some of yours... (Im not being smug here, trying to understand)
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OK, for arguments sake:

Let's take my primary wish scenario and put some numbers in ....

150" AT drop down screen (1.0 gain )
12' viewing distance (because screen will go in front of soffit)
Dark walls, ceiling, trim

The JVC NX5 vs the Epson 5050up (both with zoom slider all the way to max wide angle)

Both have about the same throw of under 15'
JVC 28 fL
Epson 39fl

Both are plenty bright for nighttime dark room viewing right?

What am i missing, because the calculator math is different than some of yours... (Im not being smug here, trying to understand)
Estimates are not always accurate, the lamps especially could have some variation in brightness.

The estimates from PC calculator are in the brightest mode I think.

Measurements taken by reviews site can also be inaccurate or differ due to testing methodology, human error, etc. For instance on a review of a 5040UB, PC measured ~3500 lumens in it's brightest mode. The 5040UB is very similar to the 5050UB, brightest mode is around 2500.

150" 16:9 screen has 66.71 ft².
Measurements from these two sources:
https://www.projectorcentral.com/Eps...UBe-Review.htm
https://www.projectorcentral.com/JVC...tor-Review.htm

The NX5 is rated 100 lumens less than the NX7.

Lamps loose around 25% of their brightness in the first 500h, and in a linear fashion afterwards until the rated hours which is half of it's original brightness.

Using the projector on High lamp will increase the noise level considerably on both the Epson and JVC, as well as wear out the lamp quicker.

On most projectors the highest preset setting has a green tint. The Epson has it (Dynamic), but the JVC review does not mention it, maybe it doesn't have it.

The general recommendation is 10-15fL for SDR, and for HDR it depends on the tone mapper. I've seen 20-22fL for the NX series, not sure about the 5050UB, 30+fL in general. NX5's DTM is better than the Epson's. If you browse the forum you'll find users with large screens and happy with low fL, but that's not the general consensus.

Epson has a Medium lamp mode that JVC's doesn't, but I've seen comments that claim that JVC's Low lamp is similar to Epson's Medium.

4K video most of the time also has an expanded color gamut. The Epson can cover ~87% of this gamut and over 100% with the help of a filter. This filter is engaged in the Cinema and Digital Cinema presets and reduces light output by 50%. The NX5 covers ~90% and does not have a filter.



Just take a preset and a lamp mode's lumens and do the math, but without seeing what each preset looks like it might not be easy.

For instance, Natural preset in Low lamp on the NX5 would be around 900lm. 900 / 66.71 = 13.49fL
After 500h 10.11fL. Half bright 6.74 fL.

On the 5050UB Natural preset in Eco lamp is 1438. 1438 / = 21.55 fL
After 500h 16.16fL. Half bright 10.77fL.

This calculator can be used, but does not have the NX5. Under the Display tab the brightness at a certain lamp hour can be selected. For 500h I've set it to 25%.
https://webprojectorcalculator.com/




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Estimates are not always accurate, the lamps especially could have some variation in brightness.

The estimates from PC calculator are in the brightest mode I think.

Measurements taken by reviews site can also be inaccurate or differ due to testing methodology, human error, etc. For instance on a review of a 5040UB, PC measured ~3500 lumens in it's brightest mode. The 5040UB is very similar to the 5050UB, brightest mode is around 2500.

150" 16:9 screen has 66.71 ft².
Measurements from these two sources:
https://www.projectorcentral.com/Eps...UBe-Review.htm
https://www.projectorcentral.com/JVC...tor-Review.htm

The NX5 is rated 100 lumens less than the NX7.

Lamps loose around 25% of their brightness in the first 500h, and in a linear fashion afterwards until the rated hours which is half of it's original brightness.

Using the projector on High lamp will increase the noise level considerably on both the Epson and JVC, as well as wear out the lamp quicker.

On most projectors the highest preset setting has a green tint. The Epson has it (Dynamic), but the JVC review does not mention it, maybe it doesn't have it.

The general recommendation is 10-15fL for SDR, and for HDR it depends on the tone mapper. I've seen 20-22fL for the NX series, not sure about the 5050UB, 30+fL in general. NX5's DTM is better than the Epson's. If you browse the forum you'll find users with large screens and happy with low fL, but that's not the general consensus.

Epson has a Medium lamp mode that JVC's doesn't, but I've seen comments that claim that JVC's Low lamp is similar to Epson's Medium.

4K video most of the time also has an expanded color gamut. The Epson can cover ~87% of this gamut and over 100% with the help of a filter. This filter is engaged in the Cinema and Digital Cinema presets and reduces light output by 50%. The NX5 covers ~90% and does not have a filter.



Just take a preset and a lamp mode's lumens and do the math, but without seeing what each preset looks like it might not be easy.

For instance, Natural preset in Low lamp on the NX5 would be around 900lm. 900 / 66.71 = 13.49fL
After 500h 10.11fL. Half bright 6.74 fL.

On the 5050UB Natural preset in Eco lamp is 1438. 1438 / = 21.55 fL
After 500h 16.16fL. Half bright 10.77fL.

This calculator can be used, but does not have the NX5. Under the Display tab the brightness at a certain lamp hour can be selected. For 500h I've set it to 25%.
Thank you!

All of this gets so subjective. Now i cant rely on the calculators. I understand your points about bright mode. All of your points are solid and i appreciate it!

In your opinion, is there a better choice in the $5k or under segment for 150" AT screen? Dark room viewing... Something that has enough lumens for HDR but still good blacks and motion? I don't want to go over 16' throw. I guess now i'll research laser image quality.

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Thank you!

All of this get so subjective. Now i cant rely on the calculators. I understand your points about bright mode. All of your points are solid and i appreciate it!

In your opinion, is there a better choice in the $5k or under segment for 150" AT screen? Dark room viewing... Something that has enough lumens for HDR but still good blacks and motion? I don't want to go over 16' throw. I guess now i'll research laser image quality.
If the AT requirement is removed a screen with a higher gain can be used.

Diagonal can be reduced with or without the AT requirement.

If not the 5050UB is the brightest option here.

An 150" AT ALR screen can be very expensive and might also require a longer throw than 16'.

Best solution:
Get an Epson HC3100 or HC2150 and use it on the wall. It's 1080p, under 1K, bright. It's 3LCD so you'll get to see how the motion looks like. It will also help with learning what can and can't be done in a projection setup. Calculations and opinions are not going to replace real life experience.
If motion is not good enough return it. Amazon I believe accepts returns without restocking fees, better double check.

The 2150 has less lens shift than the 3100. The calculator shows it's position in relation to the screen:
https://www.projectorcentral.com/Eps...ulator-pro.htm
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If the AT requirement is removed a screen with a higher gain can be used.

Diagonal can be reduced with or without the AT requirement.

If not the 5050UB is the brightest option here.

An 150" AT ALR screen can be very expensive and might also require a longer throw than 16'.

Best solution:
Get an Epson HC3100 or HC2150 and use it on the wall. It's 1080p, under 1K, bright. It's 3LCD so you'll get to see how the motion looks like. It will also help with learning what can and can't be done in a projection setup. Calculations and opinions are not going to replace real life experience.
If motion is not good enough return it. Amazon I believe accepts returns without restocking fees, better double check.

The 2150 has less lens shift than the 3100. The calculator shows it's position in relation to the screen:
https://www.projectorcentral.com/Eps...ulator-pro.htm
If i remove the AT screen requirement, my viewing distance increases to 13.5 feet and screen decreases to 120" Then the epson will be sufficient for sure. But that's a huge step down in immersion.
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I think you've seen the comments regarding Epson's pixel fill and sharpness vs. seating distance. Not everyone agrees on this topic.

150" is quite a bit bigger than 100", even from 14'. I don't know if it can be extrapolated like that.
The maths says different divide 100 (Inches of screen) by 114 (Inches of seating distance) equals 0.877, now divide 150 (Inches of screen) by 168 (inches of seating distance) equals 0.892.

0.892 - 0.877 = 0.015 variation is hardly a huge difference and I doubt the human eye would notice any difference in pixel gap.

Now if @purduesd intends to go with the 150” screen and watch from 12ft away that’s the equivalent to me watching my screen from 8ft away, based on that and my comparison with the Sony 360es we were approaching the point when the superior pixel count of the Native 4K projector became noticeable, the only variable I didn’t have in my test was an acoustic screen which will affect things like seeing pixels. If you knew someone who was near you that had either machine on an acoustic screen you could go see would be great help, basically you are looking a ratio of 1.04 (diagonal inches divided by seating distance in inches). That way you will know if you are buying the right machine.

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The maths says different divide 100 (Inches of screen) by 114 (Inches of seating distance) equals 0.877, now divide 150 (Inches of screen) by 168 (inches of seating distance) equals 0.892.

0.892 - 0.877 = 0.015 variation is hardly a huge difference and I doubt the human eye would notice any difference in pixel gap.

Now if @purduesd intends to go with the 150” screen and watch from 12ft away that’s the equivalent to me watching my screen from 8ft away, based on that and my comparison with the Sony 360es we were approaching the point when the superior pixel count of the Native 4K projector became noticeable, the only variable I didn’t have in my test was an acoustic screen which will affect things like seeing pixels. If you knew someone who was near you that had either machine on an acoustic screen you could go see would be great help, basically you are looking a ratio of 1.04 (diagonal inches divided by seating distance in inches). That way you will know if you are buying the right machine.
I found out a local friend of mine has an Epson 4050 projecting onto a 150" screen. Hope to check it out really soon!
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I found out a local friend of mine has an Epson 4050 projecting onto a 150" screen. Hope to check it out really soon!
That’s good, at least you’ll see if it’s bright enough. Remember to take into account room conditions which might be different to your own, also is the screen an acoustic one as this will affect how the image looks compared to how it would look on your own screen.
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The closer a projector is, the brighter it will be, but also less sharp.

4K 3LCD on the Epson's with a large enough screen and with the seating position too close, (some people) might find the image not sharp enough.

As it's mentioned above, going from 100% zoom to 0% will result in brightness loss. With the 5050UB it's 27%.

If an ALR screen is going to be used, generally a throw ratio of over 1.8x to 2.0x is recommended. The throw ratio is calculated by the screen width. For instance an 120" 16:9 screen has a width of 104.6, so 1.8 x 104.6 = 188.28‬". Use this site: http://screen-size.info/

The center of the screen should be where the eyes fall while seating. Sit on the couch or whatever is going to be used, in the usual position, and where the center vision is, that is where the center of the screen should be.
You are not going to be able to tell any difference in sharpness, based on mounting distance.
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Well, I keep learning and am starting to settle in...

I am thinking that i am going drop the TV idea and start with a projector. Get it ceiling mounted and project onto the wall prior to ordering my screen. Im thinking i will go with a fixed 120" screen in 16:9. This will leave just enough room for my tower speakers and a media console/center channel.

120" size should help with projector throw ratio and should help me produce bright image. Not sure on what gain and type of screen yet, so that'll be the focus of more research...

Im kinda thinking for my scenario and reading, an epson 6050ub should be able to handle it all. My throw distance lense to screen should end up around 15'2" I haven't decided on seating but my viewing distance is most likely going too be in the 13' range.
-But i'm still open to dual projector setup...JVC paired with a laser, etc.

I do get to check out a 4050 in person tonight, so that should help tell me if the screen door effect is an issue for me. -but at my viewing distance it doesn't appear like it should.

Basement is getting closer every day!
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Well, I keep learning and am starting to settle in...

I am thinking that i am going drop the TV idea and start with a projector. Get it ceiling mounted and project onto the wall prior to ordering my screen. Im thinking i will go with a fixed 120" screen in 16:9. This will leave just enough room for my tower speakers and a media console/center channel.

120" size should help with projector throw ratio and should help me produce bright image. Not sure on what gain and type of screen yet, so that'll be the focus of more research...

Im kinda thinking for my scenario and reading, an epson 6050ub should be able to handle it all. My throw distance lense to screen should end up around 15'2" I haven't decided on seating but my viewing distance is most likely going too be in the 13' range.
-But i'm still open to dual projector setup...JVC paired with a laser, etc.

I do get to check out a 4050 in person tonight, so that should help tell me if the screen door effect is an issue for me. -but at my viewing distance it doesn't appear like it should.

Basement is getting closer every day!
I’ve the 6050ub.... well the UK equivalent that is. For brightness the Epson will definitely fulfil your brief and it’s certainly sharp enough from your viewing distance, pick something like a Panasonic 420/820 Blurays with built-in Tonal mapping and this combination works really well with HDR. Motion is the only thing you would need to check out as some find motion an issue, I’m not sensitive to motion on the screen so can’t say if it’s above or below average but I’ve watched rugby, motorsport and recently a football match with a few mates and no one experienced any issue with motion.

Here’s a video of my screen from 3ft right down to about 2-3 inches.

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I’ve the 6050ub.... well the UK equivalent that is. For brightness the Epson will definitely fulfil your brief and it’s certainly sharp enough from your viewing distance, pick something like a Panasonic 420/820 Blurays with built-in Tonal mapping and this combination works really well with HDR. Motion is the only thing you would need to check out as some find motion an issue, I’m not sensitive to motion on the screen so can’t say if it’s above or below average but I’ve watched rugby, motorsport and recently a football match with a few mates and no one experienced any issue with motion.

Here’s a video of my screen from 3ft right down to about 2-3 inches.

https://youtu.be/vtLMk_IDmcE
Ya screen door is present, but super up close. Are you running an ALR screen?

Ill have to check out the motion... Basketball and Football!
Thanks for the rec!
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Well, I keep learning and am starting to settle in...

I am thinking that i am going drop the TV idea and start with a projector. Get it ceiling mounted and project onto the wall prior to ordering my screen. Im thinking i will go with a fixed 120" screen in 16:9. This will leave just enough room for my tower speakers and a media console/center channel.

120" size should help with projector throw ratio and should help me produce bright image. Not sure on what gain and type of screen yet, so that'll be the focus of more research...

Im kinda thinking for my scenario and reading, an epson 6050ub should be able to handle it all. My throw distance lense to screen should end up around 15'2" I haven't decided on seating but my viewing distance is most likely going too be in the 13' range.
-But i'm still open to dual projector setup...JVC paired with a laser, etc.

I do get to check out a 4050 in person tonight, so that should help tell me if the screen door effect is an issue for me. -but at my viewing distance it doesn't appear like it should.

Basement is getting closer every day!
That's a good size. Big enough, you will have a bright picture, and the speakers and console fitting will make a nice set up.
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Ya screen door is present, but super up close. Are you running an ALR screen?

Ill have to check out the motion... Basketball and Football!
Thanks for the rec!
Yeah you only see screen door way closer than you’ll ever want to sit from the screen. My screen is a cheap white fixed frame with 1.1 gain, unlike you I almost only watch movies so I’m looking at making a CinemaScope screen.

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Well, I keep learning and am starting to settle in...

I am thinking that i am going drop the TV idea and start with a projector. Get it ceiling mounted and project onto the wall prior to ordering my screen. Im thinking i will go with a fixed 120" screen in 16:9. This will leave just enough room for my tower speakers and a media console/center channel.

120" size should help with projector throw ratio and should help me produce bright image. Not sure on what gain and type of screen yet, so that'll be the focus of more research...

Im kinda thinking for my scenario and reading, an epson 6050ub should be able to handle it all. My throw distance lense to screen should end up around 15'2" I haven't decided on seating but my viewing distance is most likely going too be in the 13' range.
-But i'm still open to dual projector setup...JVC paired with a laser, etc.

I do get to check out a 4050 in person tonight, so that should help tell me if the screen door effect is an issue for me. -but at my viewing distance it doesn't appear like it should.

Basement is getting closer every day!
The 6050UB is the 5050 with a black case, spare lamp, mount, extra warranty, and a slight increase in contrast. I don't know if it's worth it. The TW9400 available outside North America is the 6050UB without the extras.

Same with the HC4050. It's a black HC4010 with extras. The HC4xxx series is the 5xxxUB/6xxxUB series without the good blacks and contrast.

The NX5 is superior from a picture quality perspective, especially with HDR. B stock is about the cost of the 6050UB.

The Panasonic UB players and 5050UB projectors HDR tone mappers are static. Which means it takes the highest brightness value in the movie and tone maps to that. But the movie has scenes with lower brightness of course. The NX5 is dynamic, for each scene. Significant improvement.

Madvr can do that as well, but no streaming, and requires a PC with a GPU >GTX1060. For streaming the upcoming Madvr Envy, but it's very expensive.

Check out the Epson live for motion handling.

Posted these before, instead of wondering how a screen looks like try samples:
https://www.silverticketproducts.com...terial-samples
https://www.amazon.com/Elite-Screens.../dp/B01E9LMJCC
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