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I agree, with E-shift on, it is a non issue. When I owned E-shift projectors, I liked to send 1080P content to the projector with E-shift off, so that I did not hear the E-shift noise. I only used E-shift with 4K content.
I use it all the time, I think the noise of it greatly depends on where the projector is in relation to the seating. In my case it almost over head and here you barely even hear the fan, even in Medium mode though like all these high lumen projectors the high mode is a noisy brute.

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What about fan noise on the JVC?

The Epson is super quiet and they won’t even publish the dB for the JVC. Must be loud.
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What about fan noise on the JVC?

The Epson is super quiet and they won’t even publish the dB for the JVC. Must be loud.
Epson in high is louder than JVC in high.
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Epson in high is louder than JVC in high.
I have heard both in person. 100% agree with Mike. I own the 6050.

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Rather than go by the video, you need to read Kris's comments on the video, because the video does not show what was actually seen in person.

Where are his comments? I’m interested in and catching up on all the Epson vs JVC buying comparisons. The TVS comparo seemed super informative. If Kris has comments I’d like to read them.
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Where are his comments? I’m interested in and catching up on all the Epson vs JVC buying comparisons. The TVS comparo seemed super informative. If Kris has comments I’d like to read them.
You will have to search his posts. In a nutshell, he said the pictures do not show what was actually seen in person. Said the JVC looked better in pretty much all scenes and a lot better when looking at chanenging scenes. TVS calibrated the Optoma to have more color pop and it made everything look red. Kris also said the room was hurting the picture, especially the JVC. He also told me, the TVS guys were shocked at how good the picture was on the JVC. TVS had never seen one calibrated correctly.
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Epson in high is louder than JVC in high.
Thanks for the info.

I run an Epson circa 2008 in low mode on a 100 inch screen and am pretty happy with it, especially the whisper quiet fan. I figure the 6050 must be a lot better than what I have so I will be satisfied with it. Also, the Epson hasn’t broken in 12 years so I figure they have earned some brand loyalty with me.

On the other hand, everyone says the JVC is better, so I am not really sure what to do. If I could see and hear a JVC in person that would help. Being in St Louis, I don’t believe that is an option.

Price is not a huge issue for me. Just want to keep it <$10K.

Why won’t JVC publish fan noise levels?

Why is projector selection so hard? (rhetorical)
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Thanks for the info.



I run an Epson circa 2008 in low mode on a 100 inch screen and am pretty happy with it, especially the whisper quiet fan. I figure the 6050 must be a lot better than what I have so I will be satisfied with it. Also, the Epson hasn’t broken in 12 years so I figure they have earned some brand loyalty with me.



On the other hand, everyone says the JVC is better, so I am not really sure what to do. If I could see and hear a JVC in person that would help. Being in St Louis, I don’t believe that is an option.



Price is not a huge issue for me. Just want to keep it <$10K.



Why won’t JVC publish fan noise levels?



Why is projector selection so hard? (rhetorical)


If the money isn’t a problem, just get the JVC and avoid the FOMO. Both are good projectors. The JVC does deliver that tone mapping now, which is very nice.


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Thanks for the info.

I run an Epson circa 2008 in low mode on a 100 inch screen and am pretty happy with it, especially the whisper quiet fan. I figure the 6050 must be a lot better than what I have so I will be satisfied with it. Also, the Epson hasn’t broken in 12 years so I figure they have earned some brand loyalty with me.

On the other hand, everyone says the JVC is better, so I am not really sure what to do. If I could see and hear a JVC in person that would help. Being in St Louis, I don’t believe that is an option.

Price is not a huge issue for me. Just want to keep it <$10K.

Why won’t JVC publish fan noise levels?

Why is projector selection so hard? (rhetorical)
There are two people in Kansas City who have JVC NX7's who are very active members. If you pass through KC anytime soon you could reach out to them.
@jedimastergrant
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If you can, check out a Benq 9060.
JVC has a lower black floor, but everything else with the Benq is nicer.
Single chip DLP.
Great motion.
Fantastic quality lens.
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JVC and Epson both have motorized controls and lens memory, whereas the Benq is lacking that department. Would not want to live without those features for a modern unit as my main projector, as a secondary unit it would be ok to not have that feature. Too many varying aspect ratios these days.

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If you can, check out a Benq 9060.
JVC has a lower black floor, but everything else with the Benq is nicer.
That's an understatement. The BenQ in the S&V review can't match the Epson's contrast let alone the JVC. There will be a drastic difference here. There's a good reason ISF and THX rate contrast at or near the top in their picture quality hierarchy. It matters a great deal.

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Great motion.
DLP will do well here. The JVC NX is also excellent. I didn't see anything on the 2 XPR DLPs I've seen motion wise that would make me rate it higher than the JVC NX.

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Fantastic quality lens.
The 9060 does have a great lens. My NX7 resolves single pixel text in all 4 corners. The single chip aspect of the BenQ may give it an advantage, but it's going to be slight.

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Really this is the main reason I would see to consider it over the JVC or Epson. I could also see it if the room has enough light pollution the subpar contrast of the DLP may not be as big of a disadvantage.

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There are two people in Kansas City who have JVC NX7's who are very active members. If you pass through KC anytime soon you could reach out to them.
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Good suggestion. We've got 3 NX7's in the Des Moines area if they are up that way as well.
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Good suggestion. We've got 3 NX7's in the Des Moines area if they are up that way as well.
Thanks. Is the fan loud?
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JVC and Epson both have motorized controls and lens memory, whereas the Benq is lacking that department. Would not want to live without those features for a modern unit as my main projector, as a secondary unit it would be ok to not have that feature. Too many varying aspect ratios these days.
Solid point.
I don't play around w/ aspect ratios too much so it doesn't really matter for me, but if you're a fiddler, it could be a drag.
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We do it because we do not like the black bars in the movies or to clip or re-scale in a non-uniform aspect. I think a scope setup adds a huge amount to the experience personally.

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If you can, check out a Benq 9060.
JVC has a lower black floor, but everything else with the Benq is nicer.
Single chip DLP.
Great motion.
Fantastic quality lens.
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No motorized lens is a total deal killer for me having a scope screen using the zoom method. I've recently got back into gaming and I will commonly start out a HT session playing a game in 1.78 for the first hour or so and then watch a movie which is usually in scope. If I didnt have a motorized lens to switch between 1.78 and scope, I would drive myself insane adjusting this manually each time!
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No motorized lens is a total deal killer for me having a scope screen using the zoom method. I've recently got back into gaming and I will commonly start out a HT session playing a game in 1.78 for the first hour or so and then watch a movie which is usually in scope. If I didnt have a motorized lens to switch between 1.78 and scope, I would drive myself insane adjusting this manually each time!
Not that it's a perfect solution, but the BenQ HT9060 DOES have a focus and zoom lock, so that once you set it up once, the two apects are locked together and you just turn one knob to get back and forth between the two - but yet you do have to jump out of your seat to make the change. I agree it is a bit of a deal breaker, but it's not as bad as the typical models where you have to adjust zoom and then focus after.
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Not that it's a perfect solution, but the BenQ HT9060 DOES have a focus and zoom lock, so that once you set it up once, the two apects are locked together and you just turn one knob to get back and forth between the two - but yet you do have to jump out of your seat to make the change. I agree it is a bit of a deal breaker, but it's not as bad as the typical models where you have to adjust zoom and then focus after.


How often do people switch aspect ratios? I use my projector as a monitor/tv replacement and watch for many hours a day. Is there a concern about damaging or wearing off those lens motors?


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The main issue is the different aspect ratios while streaming, and the fact I don't want to see the black bars. I would not worry about the lens motor, sure it could happen, but almost anything "can" happen.

If you go with a 16:9 screen, fairly intrusive and large black bars will appear for 2:1 and 2.35-2.4. A scope screen is better, even if not doing masking. The side bars are much less intrusive, and it's also easier to cover side bars (less bulky) as you can use side curtains or magnetic panels, or even just lean a panel against the screen and floor. To mask a 16:9 screen, requires either a motorized setup or manually dealing with some REALLY long horizontal magnetic panels (it's ok now and then but gets old fast).

You never know if something will be 16:9, 1.85, 2:1, or 2.35 - 2.4.

Scope screens = better for most people these days, generally speaking.

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Well that really depends on whether you have a CinemaScope screen or a 16:9 one. With the CinemaScope you will be constantly adjusting for other formats but with 16:9 everything works inside of that.

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Agreed. I did a little fiddling w/ my 9060 and an A lens I had for an older unit.
Maybe b/c it’s 4K I didn’t notice a big jump in quality.
Brightness increased a bit, but the 9060 has horsepower to spare, so that wasn’t a huge gain.
Pretty happy letting everything exist inside 16:9 for now.
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Agreed. I did a little fiddling w/ my 9060 and an A lens I had for an older unit.
Maybe b/c it’s 4K I didn’t notice a big jump in quality.
Brightness increased a bit, but the 9060 has horsepower to spare, so that wasn’t a huge gain.
Pretty happy letting everything exist inside 16:9 for now.
So you are fine with evening news being a lot more immersive than the scope movie you have planned for the evening?
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Ha! Don’t watch the news on it.
Going 2:40 would require larger screen (AT) and in walls.
Not worth it right now.
Might opt for a smaller Non-AT 2:40 screen that fits in where the current one is, but honestly haven’t felt the need.
If I need it more immersive I just sit in the front row that my kids prefer.
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I have masking for scope and let the between ratios be unmasked. I find 2:1 or lower not being very noticeable. There are several different ratios being used now. Not worth the effort IMO.

Besides, my unobtanium HP screen is 16x9 and the new (to me) much larger HP screen I'm getting ready to buy is also.
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I have asked this question on the STEWART screen and Epson 6050UB, 5050UB owners threads, and thought someone here might know the answer:

Question for Epson 6050UB and 5050UB owners, especially those who own a STEWART (or any other ALR) screen with approximately 1.2, 1.3 gain.

I'm seriously thinking of purchasing a new Epson 4K 6050UB to replace my "long in the tooth" SONY VPL-VW60 1080p projector. I just have one area of concern.

I have a 100" 16/9 STEWART Firehawk SST retractable tab-tensioned screen with a 1.2 gain.
My current ceiling mounted projector lens throw is approximately 12 1/2 feet from the screen.

My question is this: because the Epson 6050UB is so much brighter than my current projector will I experience "hot spotting"? Or, based upon your experience does the STEWART screen do a great job in preventing "hot spotting". I.e., will I be ok, using the Epson 6050UB with tour 100" 16/9 STEWART Firehawk SST screen?

Any response, insight, information you can provide would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
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Ha! Don’t watch the news on it.
Going 2:40 would require larger screen (AT) and in walls.
Not worth it right now.
Might opt for a smaller Non-AT 2:40 screen that fits in where the current one is, but honestly haven’t felt the need.
If I need it more immersive I just sit in the front row that my kids prefer.
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Change that to anything that is 16:9. Should some streaming show in 16:9 be more immersive than a scope blockbuster movie? So you have friends over to watch a movie. The prviews are shown and the menu for the start of the movie and all of it is 16:9. Then the movie starts and the actual presentation of the movie looks tiny.
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I have masking for scope and let the between ratios be unmasked. I find 2:1 or lower not being very noticeable. There are several different ratios being used now. Not worth the effort IMO.

Besides, my unobtanium HP screen is 16x9 and the new (to me) much larger HP screen I'm getting ready to buy is also.
If your masking is adjustable, just set up a lens memory where you fill the height of the screen. I watch all the various aspect ratios filling the height of my scope screen. 1.85 looks so much larger, when it fills the full height of the screen, rather than letter boxed.
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I have asked this question on the STEWART screen and Epson 6050UB, 5050UB owners threads, and thought someone here might know the answer:

Question for Epson 6050UB and 5050UB owners, especially those who own a STEWART (or any other ALR) screen with approximately 1.2, 1.3 gain.

I'm seriously thinking of purchasing a new Epson 4K 6050UB to replace my "long in the tooth" SONY VPL-VW60 1080p projector. I just have one area of concern.

I have a 100" 16/9 STEWART Firehawk SST retractable tab-tensioned screen with a 1.2 gain.
My current ceiling mounted projector lens throw is approximately 12 1/2 feet from the screen.

My question is this: because the Epson 6050UB is so much brighter than my current projector will I experience "hot spotting"? Or, based upon your experience does the STEWART screen do a great job in preventing "hot spotting". I.e., will I be ok, using the Epson 6050UB with tour 100" 16/9 STEWART Firehawk SST screen?

Any response, insight, information you can provide would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
Hotspotting is not an issue with 12.5' of throw onto a 100" diagonal 16:9 FireHawk SST.
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Hotspotting is not an issue with 12.5' of throw onto a 100" diagonal 16:9 FireHawk SST.
Thanks so much for your helpful advice.
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