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New Projectors 2020

I'm in the market for a projector. Been looking at the epson 5050/6050, jvc nx5/nx7 and Sony vw295es.

I noticed that these are all about a year old or older. Would love to see hdmi 2.1 implementation. Anyone know about a refresh from these manufacturers this calendar year? Or would now be a good time to purchase one of these models?
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I think I saw where JVC and Sony wouldn't release any projectors this year - I'm not sure about Epson.

The way I understand HDMI 2.1 is that is will really only benefit gamers (I think for 4K 120fps)for quite some time, so unless you're a gamer I don't think it will matter.
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I think I saw where JVC and Sony wouldn't release any projectors this year - I'm not sure about Epson.

The way I understand HDMI 2.1 is that is will really only benefit gamers (I think for 4K 120fps)for quite some time, so unless you're a gamer I don't think it will matter.
We don't know yet what if anything will be released. We do know that if JVC does offer an update it will probably be a small change. It is possible that Sony could include DTM on new models and that Epson could offer a true 4k projector. With the cancellation of IFA and probably CEDIA there are more questions than answers.

One can always wait but you will be missing out on the enjoyment. I would suggest that if you want a projector that is probably more future proof you look at the JVC NX5/NX7 since that both have DTM now. HDMI 2.1 will come someday but will mostly be important if you are a gamer.
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HDMI 2.1 update for AVR's has been put off until next year. Projectors with HDMI 2.1 are 1.5 to 2.5 years away, is my guess, since projectors almost always follow later than AVR's.
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AVRs should have had HDMI 2.1 by now, I don't know what's the hold up. As far as JVC projectors, the NX5, NX7, NX9 are almost two years old now. I'm hoping there will be a new line of projectors announced at CEDIA this September. JVC has a two year cycle, so hopefully that's the case. I want more native contrast...
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AVRs should have had HDMI 2.1 by now, I don't know what's the hold up. As far as JVC projectors, the NX5, NX7, NX9 are almost two years old now. I'm hoping there will be a new line of projectors announced at CEDIA this September. JVC has a two year cycle, so hopefully that's the case. I want more native contrast...
Due to the delay, most were shipped in March, April and May last year, So for the vast majority of preorder buyers, they are just now one year old. Look at the cycle of the last major change with JVC, that would be the RS400/500/600. The following year we had the RS420/520/620 then the year after, the RS440/540/640. The RS1000/2000/3000 was an even larger change than the RS400/500/600, so based on history, I do not know why anyone would expect much of a change from JVC this coming year.
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I'd like to see JVC drop the price of the NX5 or offer a more entry level DILA option. I'm not sure why they ever stopped making the 790 - it was an excellent ~$3K projector even if it wasn't native 4K. It's e-shift Faux-K looked pretty dang good and had amazing contrast.

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I'd like to see JVC drop the price of the NX5 or offer a more entry level DILA option. I'm not sure why they ever stopped making the 790 - it was an excellent ~$3K projector even if it wasn't native 4K. It's e-shift Faux-K looked pretty dang good and had amazing contrast.
JVC did not stop making the RS540/X790. That is their entry level LCOS projector, but it was never a 3K projector. MSRP is 4K.
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I think I saw where JVC and Sony wouldn't release any projectors this year - I'm not sure about Epson.

The way I understand HDMI 2.1 is that is will really only benefit gamers (I think for 4K 120fps)for quite some time, so unless you're a gamer I don't think it will matter.
According to the Epson dealer I bought mine off Epson wouldn't be releasing a replacement for the 9400 (5050/6050) this year with the likely replacement not hitting the showrooms until late 2021.
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JVC did not stop making the RS540/X790. That is their entry level LCOS projector, but it was never a 3K projector. MSRP is 4K.
http://pro.jvc.com/prof/attributes/f...l_id=MDL102505

My mistake - I thought they were stopping shipments last August. I'm glad they kept it around, as I thought it was excellent at it's price point and the extra contrast made it a (arguably) better projector than the Sony 295 or even the NX5.

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My mistake - I thought they were stopping shipments last August. I'm glad they kept it around, as I thought it was excellent at it's price point and the extra contrast made it a (arguably) better projector than the Sony 295 or even the NX5.
Sorry, but better than the RS1000/NX5 is laughable. Maybe if all you are watching is SDR, but not if you are also watching HDR. You need to compare the two. The 540 leads in one are and that is contrast. The RS1000/NX5 is sharper, throws a cleaner image, has more accurate lens memory, much better HDR tone mapping, faster sync time and has the ability to store more settings in the memory settings.
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Due to the delay, most were shipped in March, April and May last year, So for the vast majority of preorder buyers, they are just now one year old. Look at the cycle of the last major change with JVC, that would be the RS400/500/600. The following year we had the RS420/520/620 then the year after, the RS440/540/640. The RS1000/2000/3000 was an even larger change than the RS400/500/600, so based on history, I do not know why anyone would expect much of a change from JVC this coming year.
I'm not expecting much from JVC. It also looks like epson has been upgrading their 50/60 line in spring of odd years. Was hoping for a native 4k epson. do they usually announce the new epsons at cedia or do they wait for the spring?
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AVRs should have had HDMI 2.1 by now, I don't know what's the hold up. As far as JVC projectors, the NX5, NX7, NX9 are almost two years old now. I'm hoping there will be a new line of projectors announced at CEDIA this September. JVC has a two year cycle, so hopefully that's the case. I want more native contrast...
Don't hold your breath! The market is small and the current units are more than up to anything thrown at them for the foreseeable.
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Even if a manufacturer were planning for a new projector in 2021, it would not surprise me if the virus situation disrupting supply chains, factories, etc. might delay that. If I were looking to buy a projector today, I wouldn't bothering waiting especially if inventory becomes obsolete for a while given the circumstances.
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The thing is that projectors are always late with technological improvements, dont forget that till recently some didnt even have 18gbps HDMI ports, and with the currwnt corona situation it might take till 2022 till we see projectors with HDMI 2.1.
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IMHO with the coronavirus situation I think it is safe to assume everything to be 1 year late.
As above, if I were looking for a projector I would buy one today or be prepared to wait at least 2 years.
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Sorry, but better than the RS1000/NX5 is laughable. Maybe if all you are watching is SDR, but not if you are also watching HDR. You need to compare the two. The 540 leads in one are and that is contrast. The RS1000/NX5 is sharper, throws a cleaner image, has more accurate lens memory, much better HDR tone mapping, faster sync time and has the ability to store more settings in the memory settings.
IMHO...the N5 is the most underated projector in JVC,s lineup!!! I have an N5 sample here that has an awesomely sharp lens...on par with several NX9,s i have had!

I still have a X9900/RS640 ... i would choose the N5 every time due to its sharp. calm image versus the X9900/RS640..
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Even if a manufacturer were planning for a new projector in 2021, it would not surprise me if the virus situation disrupting supply chains, factories, etc. might delay that. If I were looking to buy a projector today, I wouldn't bothering waiting especially if inventory becomes obsolete for a while given the circumstances.
The virus and the oil price war has also disrupted the incomes of millions of potential projector buyers. The energy sector paid pretty good money. I'm sure the bean counters at the A/V manufacturers probably factor this in when deciding whether to invest money bringing out expensive new projectors. My bet is nothing new comes out until 2021. But there are some great projectors now.
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HDMI 2.1 will be useful for many things other than gaming because presumably it will require a full overhaul of JVC's processing system. We're still limited to 4:2:2 Chroma on HDR10 content because the NX7 overrides 4:4:4 12-bit signals back to 4:2:2, so maybe upgrading to an HDMI 2.1 based system would remove whatever bottleneck they are encountering there. Furthermore, MadVR does a lot of its processing in 16-bit and then converts it to whatever the display can handle before sending it over the HDMI connection. Theoretically you could have MadVR send out 16-bit signals over an HDMI 2.1 connection as long as the projector accepts it.

Variable Refresh Rate (VRR) and Quick Frame Transport (QFT) are going to be great for gaming, but only if the engineers actually implement it in the projector. Hopefully they take the time to do that. Those features alone could get me to upgrade from my NX7.

There are still several small bugs and issues with the NX7 that need to be fixed, so I would be thrilled if all they do this year is give us another firmware update. Even just a fix update with no new features.
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Why no more eshift models? They are great bang for buck. I hope they still do even though I won't be purchasing one. Great way to have others on limited budgets to experience high quality for less.
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HDMI 2.1 will be useful for many things other than gaming because presumably it will require a full overhaul of JVC's processing system. We're still limited to 4:2:2 Chroma on HDR10 content because the NX7 overrides 4:4:4 12-bit signals back to 4:2:2, so maybe upgrading to an HDMI 2.1 based system would remove whatever bottleneck they are encountering there. Furthermore, MadVR does a lot of its processing in 16-bit and then converts it to whatever the display can handle before sending it over the HDMI connection. Theoretically you could have MadVR send out 16-bit signals over an HDMI 2.1 connection as long as the projector accepts it.

Variable Refresh Rate (VRR) and Quick Frame Transport (QFT) are going to be great for gaming, but only if the engineers actually implement it in the projector. Hopefully they take the time to do that. Those features alone could get me to upgrade from my NX7.

There are still several small bugs and issues with the NX7 that need to be fixed, so I would be thrilled if all they do this year is give us another firmware update. Even just a fix update with no new features.
First time I've been intrigued about hdmi 2.1 on a JVC.
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IMHO...the N5 is the most underated projector in JVC,s lineup!!! I have an N5 sample here that has an awesomely sharp lens...on par with several NX9,s i have had!

I still have a X9900/RS640 ... i would choose the N5 every time due to its sharp. calm image versus the X9900/RS640..
I would go so far as to say, that the N5 is the best PJ you can get at (or around) that price point currently. Seems to tick a lot of boxes that only get surpassed by spending a LOT more money.

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The virus and the oil price war has also disrupted the incomes of millions of potential projector buyers. The energy sector paid pretty good money. I'm sure the bean counters at the A/V manufacturers probably factor this in when deciding whether to invest money bringing out expensive new projectors. My bet is nothing new comes out until 2021. But there are some great projectors now.
Those companies who can read the writing on the wall and hold back on releasing new products for the sake of it will do better I think.

There will always be those in a position to buy high end PJs and such and I would argue it is that end of the sector that will keep them ticking over for now.

No point in making a whole swathe of new stuff to have it sat there (where current inventory is currently sitting) waiting to be bought. If they produce too much, and demand is low (as is likely) then prices will have to drop.

It is easier to discount older kit for a year or so than a on new model just out. That would devalue the entire range forever more.

I hope this begets a new trading model for the sector, whereby they have new releases every few years instead of yearly and then to keep the current models supported longer. Morally and environmentally.

There is only so long you can keep encouraging people to buy ever larger TVs or new PJs as the improvements get incrementally smaller due to the standard already being so high.
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HDMI 2.1 will be useful for many things other than gaming because presumably it will require a full overhaul of JVC's processing system. We're still limited to 4:2:2 Chroma on HDR10 content because the NX7 overrides 4:4:4 12-bit signals back to 4:2:2

Theoretically you could have MadVR send out 16-bit signals over an HDMI 2.1 connection as long as the projector accepts it.

There are still several small bugs and issues with the NX7 that need to be fixed, so I would be thrilled if all they do this year is give us another firmware update. Even just a fix update with no new features.
Does it do that even with 24hz signals?

Also, to what end? So one can prove it is getting higher bit depth by showing a test screen? How close would you have to be to the screen to see the benefit of these super fine gradients? Too close for most I would say.

we are hoping for the same thing from Sony....

I wont have the money to upgrade my 760 for a long while now, but keep me sweet and maximise the large investment I have already made on your products please Sony!

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Those companies who can read the writing on the wall and hold back on releasing new products for the sake of it will do better I think.

There will always be those in a position to buy high end PJs and such and I would argue it is that end of the sector that will keep them ticking over for now.

No point in making a whole swathe of new stuff to have it sat there (where current inventory is currently sitting) waiting to be bought. If they produce too much, and demand is low (as is likely) then prices will have to drop.

It is easier to discount older kit for a year or so than a on new model just out. That would devalue the entire range forever more.

I hope this begets a new trading model for the sector, whereby they have new releases every few years instead of yearly and then to keep the current models supported longer. Morally and environmentally.

There is only so long you can keep encouraging people to buy ever larger TVs or new PJs as the improvements get incrementally smaller due to the standard already being so high.
They could really raise the value proposition of the current projectors by including a free 12 pack of T.P. and a quart of hand sanitizer ( at least where I live ) !
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They could really raise the value proposition of the current projectors by including a free 12 pack of T.P. and a quart of hand sanitizer ( at least where I live ) !
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Yes it does it even at 24hz, which is annoying because HDMI can easily handle it. Manni has tested it thoroughly. You can send 24hz 12-bit 4:4:4 or RGB and the projector just forces 4:2:2. The QBF pattern looks crisp only on 8-bit signals.

Only the most extreme content loses noticeable fidelity without 4:4:4 chroma upscaling, it's true. Of course, I sit ~5ft from my 135" screen sometimes, so there you go. It's situational. Usually I'm at 12-15ft.

I think the thing that bothers me most about the chroma issue is that JVC has said nothing about it, they continue to let your projector receive 4:4:4 and secretly force 4:2:2 with no notice. It feels like a bug they might fix because they haven't talked about it, but I suspect they don't plan to do anything about it because it only matters to a few people. It's just shady.
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I know nothing has been announced yet but I can't see how CEDIA could be held this year. IFA is cancelled and there will be a virtual show. I expect the same for CEDIA.

Even if they allow the convention to take place I doubt if many people would attend. CEDA draws people and companies from all over the word and it seems that no company would take a chance.

I would expect that something will be announced by the end of the month at the latest. Why not hold a virtual show at this point. Manufactures could possibly show some new products and offer specials to try
to increase sales. CEDIA could also offer their courses online at lower costs.

At this point I also wonder how many new models might get postponed.
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I wonder if they cancel CEDIA, would they still go back to San Diego next year or stay an extra year in Denver?

Personally, I’d be happy with price cuts to existing models and a software update to add DTM to the Sony lasers. Especially if they could swing significant price cuts (25% +)
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