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I am just back to Barcelona from Berlin!
This are some of my photos from the show
I will make a mini review of what I have seen in the fair. First of all I have to admit that I am a bit disappointed: there was no Sony or Panasonic stand, only a Blu-Ray stand.
Fortunately there was a JVC stand and they were showing off a new Dila projector. I will enclose the press release at the end of this posting.
http://static.flickr.com/91/232774148_39b62acbd0.jpg
The picture was shown on a light-controlled enviroment with no seating as is usual by JVC. The screen was around 4 meters wide. The lamp is UHP and the price point 7000€. No iris or similar, they claim 10000:1 contrast.
Picture was quite unbeliveable not to say awesome. The F&F Tokio trailer, with all the night scenes looked really really good.
Of course I could not compare it with the Pearl, since Sony was not at the show (the were not at CeBIT either).
They told us it was a prototype (they had a mock up next to the screen) and it had no model number.
http://static.flickr.com/80/232764366_85fa64859f.jpg
I think that this is a new projector from JVC, BUT I might be wrong (in that case I want you guys to know that I already know that it has been discovered thatthe world is round) ;-)
They had very little information, but what I saw I liked. I have the feeling that JVC is feeling the heat from Sony, and aparently doing something about it.
Aside from the JVC we also had the pleasure to see (for the first time!) on the Toshiba stand the new SED display.
http://static.flickr.com/95/232764113_858743318c_o.jpg
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I have only one word to describe what I saw WOW. It was jaw-dropping. No picture sttuter, absolutly black blacks... We really really liked what we saw. This was shown in a dark room, with an HD-DVD as source with a special HD-DVD disc for the ocassion with demo material. At one time they showed to tickers running at different speeds just to show that there was no persistence of the picture. I will describe it in one word: I WANT ONE! BTW they say that its going to be available by 2006 at full 1080p res. We will see.
We also saw the new Dvico 5101. It was the best HD streaming player (I have owned a few: KISS600 and Snazio). We had (thanks to Chris!) the opportunity to play around in the menus and were quite amazed that everthing worked: FF RW, etc...
http://static.flickr.com/85/232764008_ebaac156c3.jpg
Finally the upcoming satellite receiver from Dream Multimedia was quite amazing having the possibility of plugging a satellite card, terrestrial (DVB) with HDD.
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I hope you all liked the post. I will add to it if I come up with something!
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this is the complete press release from JVC press CD:
http://static.flickr.com/91/232774148_39b62acbd0_o.jpg

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OFFICIAL JVC PRESS RELEASE
DLA-HD NEW (Tentative)
Full HD D-ILA Home Cinema Projector
PACKED WITH ADVANCED TECHNOLOGIES, THIS MODEL IS PERFECT FOR HOME CINEMA ENTERTAINMENT.

JVC (Victor Company of Japan, Ltd.), a leading innovator in the field of audiovisual technology, is introducing a new full HD front projector, the DLA-HD NEW, for home cinema applications.
JVC has been developing D-ILA front projectors since the 90’s, and now the years of expertise gained from these efforts are being used to create a superb line of consumer home cinema front-projection systems.
At the heart of its projection system, the DLA-HD NEW uses three 0.7" 1920 x 1080 pixel full HD D-ILA (LCOS) devices that deliver a native resolution of 2 megapixels for remarkably high image definition. One of the primary advantages of D-ILA devices is that it eliminates grids or the “screen-door effectâ€; offering a high aperture ratio of more than 90% to ensure smooth, film-like images. When combined with the newly developed JVC optical system, these devices allow the DLA-HD NEW to provide a native contrast of 10000:1 and brightness level of 800 lumen, for more natural yet vivid colour reproduction and high contrast.

Furthermore, the DLA-HD NEW is equipped with a converter and scaler that up-convert the incoming source regardless of its original format to properly display images at 1080p.

All these advanced technologies have now been customized for consumer use to make the innnovative DLA-HD NEW an ideal model for home cinema applications.

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Good things are coming from this machine. Ive been waiting for someone to break the news. No iris yet this machine should have great black level and contrast. I heard they are doing something with live gamma. Rumored 7k retail. If price turns out to be true thats a great price point coming from JVC. Im guessing this will have better optics and offer better convergence to the Sony. Nice to have another 1080 kick arse projector added to the line up at an affordable price.
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This is great!....but again only 800 lumens :( after calibration probably 400 :mad:

When will someone make a 2500 lumen model!

Canon...please save us
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Tryg throw in one of your Silver Star or High Power screens and thats 1600 lumens:)

I know what you mean though!

This is still very good news. Another competitive projector added to the line up.
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Thanks for the report! Wow, 10k:1 native, huh. Sounds like they've done something really special with this one. Fourth panel possibly? They said it has a UHP lamp, so no lasers (sorry Ohlson). Let's hope JVC is being as honest with the stated specs as they have in the recent past. Exciting news!

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What a show this is going to be. 1080p from the following:
JVC,Sony,Mits,Panasonic,DP,Optoma,BQ,Sim2,Sharp and more.

OK, how long before were crying boredom with 1080P :)
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It looks like it will probably replace the HD2K at a lower price point. My brand new HD10K is starting to look a little old though. :(
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1080P never bores me!

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This is great!....but again only 800 lumens :( after calibration probably 400 :mad:

When will someone make a 2500 lumen model!

Canon...please save us
I don't see Canon on the exhibitor list at Cedia. I find that strange especially since they had a decent size booth at Infocomm. Maybe they are more interested in the business market. They never did send Darin a pj to review nor even contact him. This was after we talked to them for about fifteen to twenty minutes. Of course, they could send one to that great review site Projector Central.:rolleyes: Anyway, it would be interesting to see Canon put these panels into one of their pjs with maybe a fourth panel like that Seos pj. How many people would buy a 1080p pj with 1000 to 2000 calibrated lumens and an on/off cr ratio of say 100k to 1 for $10k or under?:)

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Canon said they were not interested in the HT market. It would be nice if they changed their mind but I bet they are not interested in beefing up the service dept to handle being hen pecked by us HT buffs :)
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Ok, Canon....I promise I wont hen peck you ;)


It doesn't even have to be a HT projector. Just 1080p and 2500 lumens! I'll take care of the rest :)
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When will someone make a 2500 lumen model!


i was in close contact to sony and ask this question sice 1.5years.

the answer i get is that heat is the problem beside other problems and the size of the chips as well.
if they not take care about other things like cr.color and much more they
can improve it but not as much as we like.
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isn't it scheduled for 2007 and 10K ?

7K and 2006 would be MAGNIFICIENT. if they want to stop being COMPLETELY beaten up in the LCOS market by Sony, they MUST release it in October or November maximum and
at 7K.

Wolfgang: 4meters screen ?????????????? with only 800ansi ??

the new CR is due to new secret panels i think :D . they worked a lot on that.

Alan: dont worry, you'll be surprised in 2007 :D
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Canon said they were not interested in the HT market. It would be nice if they changed their mind but I bet they are not interested in beefing up the service dept to handle being hen pecked by us HT buffs :)
You may be correct, as the Canon brochure from Infocomm states "The ideal pj for demanding uses and applications including medical image presentations, display of CAD, photography, as well as other business, education and gevernment uses." That being said the head of Canon did tell both Darin and I that they were trying to make a pj that would target the biggest piece of the market including home theater. I assume that is why they included a home cinema mode in the SX60. Of course, trying to hit all of the markets will probably mean sticking with 4:3. Heck I would be happy if they used the Seos approach with the current panels. How many people would be interested in 1400x1050 with say a 50k to 1 on/off and over 1000 lumens?:)

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A four panel solution and these new panels would ROCK!
This is good since it will put pressure on Sony to release a next generation of improved sxrd panels.
I think the size of this new panel is optimal for 1080p. With smaller panels such as in the 0.61 sxrd 1080p panel you are pushing the technology hard. If you go bigger it will cost more.
Bravo JVC!

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4meters screen ?????????????? with only 800ansi ??
The screen was definitely around 4 meters wide with light control in the room. Perhaps the projector was rigged with higher light output?
It was definitely a prototype and the unit by the screen was a mock-up, they even showed me the fake connection pannel when I asked to see the back!
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The screen was definitely around 4 meters wide with light control in the room. Perhaps the projector was rigged with higher light output?
It was definitely a prototype and the unit by the screen was a mock-up, they even showed me the fake connection pannel when I asked to see the back!
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they did say the market release ? october ?

if JVC continues with their fair specs ( for instance HD10K 2500:1 and 600ansi it's 2300:1 and 550-580ansi so not bad at all!!!) and this machine really outputs 800ansi and 10000:1 then one GIANT WOW !
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This is going to be a great show. I agree with Alan that this may have the better optics and convergence as JVC tends to be relatively good with that. Then again, with their previous offerings they tended to have a more hangs on approach. Not sure if this lower price point will allow that.
We'll have to see.
Add 1 more to my review schedule. :)
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october ?
Definitely not october. More like next year. Keep in mind they don't even have a model number yet!!
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I know when they "secretly" showed the HD10K before it was announced, all it was was a prototype...no model, pricing, ship date, etc... This will be different as they actually have a working model.
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they better hurry and super fast !!
or the Pearl will kill them again, as the Ruby killed the HD10K.
sometimes i wonder what marketing guys do...
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This is just to show that d-ila is to be counted with.
Step 1: d-ila with great contrast
Step 2: throw away the uhp .....

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I'll be at IFA on Tuesday. The program is getting crowded. JVC, Toshiba, TI, Sharp...
If the JVC has native 10000:1 they should put a DI on top. 30000:1 is pretty purchasable at least as second projector. :-)
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Very cool. I had heard the rumors about the dynamic gamma, but I'm surprised that they were able to achieve 10k:1 on/off CR - assuming that this is where the CR gain is coming from. If it achieves this while maintaining D65 with no Iris BC, then I think I've found something to replace my HD2K. JVC doesn't exaggerate their lumens so 800 true lumens with 10K:1 on/off CR @ D65 will make it brighter than any LCOS 1080p that we've seen. I'm also glad that JVC continues to use UHP - although I know I'm in the minority. Add to it the fact that Wm will probably calibrate these so unlike the Sony we can have great sub-pixel convergence and shading uniformity.
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http://www.areadvd.de/ :

they say EUR 10,000 and begin of 2007...

while we heard 6000 euros November, some months ago...

this needs clarification quickly. if it's between the Pealr and the Sharp-Ruby, it's OK. quite ok.
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What about lens options.

Does it have any?. This could be a differenciator wrt Pearl and Ruby

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The start of this thread says 7k euros. If the finished projector looks anything like the picture I doubt interchangeable lenses.

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Cheers for the info jprada. What are your imressions of how this compares to any current models? (Ruby, C3X etc.)

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I'd be very keen to see how it compares in picture quality to the HD10K. Mmm this projector @ sub $7K with an ISCO III could be a lot of fun... if only I could make CEDIA. Hmm I wonder what the maxium throw will be, 15ft onto a 120" 2.35:1 Screen Research AT screen possible?

Alan, can you please take lots of photos of this one at the show and if possible confirm pricing. A little early for a power buy... probably need a model number first ;)

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