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post #91 of 105 Old 06-18-2009, 11:38 AM
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+1 for dark fabric on the walls

I have my basement cave covered in a combo of dark moss green velvet (screen wall)
Black velvet and chocolate brown chaneille (back and side walls)
and brown micro suede curtains to hide my unfinished storage area/utility room.

The Video performance gain was Huge!,
... but so was the improvement in audio

I skipped the whole messy drywall,tape,sand,paint routine and just stapled material to the wood studs right over insulation.









Back wall, the camera flash doesn't even light up the fabric at all (click pic to turn the lights on)







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Nice setup PioManiac!

Sage would you mind telling us were you bought the best piece of velvet? The one you end up using?

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I found this thread extremely informative on the different velvet brands.

https://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1099186
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Nice setup PioManiac!

Sage would you mind telling us were you bought the best piece of velvet? The one you end up using?

Bruno


Crud -- I can't remember. IIRC, they were located out of colorado. They were a bulk fabric place. I got a ton of samples first, tried them all out for reflectivity and fire safety, then bought quite a few yards of the 'best'. I though I got more than enough, but I needed more than I purchased. Unfortunately, they were out, so my ceiling is actually done in a very dark blue. Since the trim in the room is blue, this actually looks great.
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I think I will order the protostar for the ceiling it's seem to me it will be easier to install than regular velvet fabric. I'm nerveous because I read that the protostar can unglue after a while. On there website they say they now have a new glue.

I will go to a local store to check as many velvet as possible and used that for side wall and front wall. The back wall will stay as it is right now. Flat black paint.

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I will go to a local store to check as many velvet as possible and used that for side wall and front wall. The back wall will stay as it is right now. Flat black paint.

Bruno

I would recommend doing the back wall, if you get a chance. I would imagine a significant amount of reflected light would bounce back to the screen, reducing your intrascene contrast.
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Been doing a lot of reading on this subject today and have been seriously considering doing some velvet around my screen, probably about 3 feet out of either side and on the ceiling above. Currently my walls are a Navy Blue matte finish and my ceiling is flat Gray. My setup is below:



The only differences now is I have white molding along the bottom and a long stand in front of the screen (dark brown) which holds my center channel and stores blu rays (this thing: http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/90253470/).

I'm using a BenQ W1070 which throws out a lot of excess light leakage, so I'm just wondering if the velvet around the screen and on the ceiling is worth it? I've been looking at the triple plush black velvet from SyFabrics and was just thinking about tacking it on around the areas I mentioned to keep it simple. Thoughts?

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Yes, black velvet. See pics in sig below. Wall treatment is removable, held on with magnets on embedded sheet metal strips. Ceiling permanent, velvet glued to ply wood and attached with 18 gauge nail gun.
See photos here for a little more detail with comments under photos when enlarged Livingroom update

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I'm starting to line my speaker cabinets with triple black velvet from SyFabrics and have found this double-sided adhesive to work really well:

http://www.uline.com/Product/Detail/S-10056/Double-Sided-Foam-Tape/3M-110-Double-Sided-Foam-Tape-1-2-x-75?pricode=WU351&gadtype=pla&id=34610388802&gclid=CNOx4-zI27sCFdBlOgod01IAPA&gclsrc=aw.ds

I think I'm going to attempt it with my ceiling as well to see how well it stays, it's non destructive and hidden from sight. I'm LOVING the effect that the blackout is giving right now, I've only done my speakers and it's made my setup seem much more immersive already.

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Yes, black velvet. See pics in sig below. Wall treatment is removable, held on with magnets on embedded sheet metal strips. Ceiling permanent, velvet glued to ply wood and attached with 18 gauge nail gun.
See photos here for a little more detail with comments under photos when enlarged Livingroom update
Okay, so I have a whole bunch of Protostar AND Sy Fabrics velvet. I need to cover about 40 inches by 12 feet of ceiling that touches the projector screen wall, and then need to surround the projector screen wall with fabric as well as one of the side walls (other side is open area that will be covered by a black curtain).

My question is, which black material should I use for which area(s) and which for the remaining area(s), and what is the best way to secure the Sy Fabrics velvet in a particular place depending on the area covered (ceiling if recommended versus walls if recommended versus covering the entertainment console if recommended). The Protostar obviously has it's own adhesive so depending on what's recommended it should be easier to just plop on.

Long story short, should I use Protostar for ceiling or Sy Fabrics, should I use Protostar for projector screen wall and surrounding screen or Sy Fabrics, etc.?

Thank you for the help in advance!!! Excited and will post pics when this crazy endeavor is finally "finished!"
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I used Protostart on the ceiling for about 6 feet back. I used black velvet curtains on the screen wall in all areas. You can see pics in my signature. Worked great. Flat black paint on everything else. The only area I really see light reflection now is my carpetting, which is "black" but looks dark gray compared to the velvet and protostar.

Also, I've ordered stuff from Protostar a few times and not every roll looks the same. Almost like they use multiple dye lots. So when you receive (especially if you get multiple rolls) I would roll some out and make sure they blend well before installing otherwise it may bug you later.

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I used Protostart on the ceiling for about 6 feet back. I used black velvet curtains on the screen wall in all areas. You can see pics in my signature. Worked great. Flat black paint on everything else. The only area I really see light reflection now is my carpetting, which is "black" but looks dark gray compared to the velvet and protostar.

Also, I've ordered stuff from Protostar a few times and not every roll looks the same. Almost like they use multiple dye lots. So when you receive (especially if you get multiple rolls) I would roll some out and make sure they blend well before installing otherwise it may bug you later.

Good to know Kris. I only have one large roll, which is nearly gone. I'll keep this in mind if I get more.

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The first time I ordered from them I got two rolls. One was slightly darker than the other and it was noticeable on the ceiling. The second time I ordered the rolls were all the same but they had a red cast to them and weren't nearly as dark as the original stuff I had. I emailed them about exchanging them with not so much as a peep in response. I don't notice it on the ceiling though. If I ever order from them again I will probably do a bigger order and make sure the rolls I get are good and send back the ones that are not. Or call them and demand a swap or refund. I don't think they are used to dealing with home theater installs where you can actually see the material on a wall. No one sees it inside a telescope tube.

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