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post #151 of 481 Old 10-04-2007, 01:55 PM - Thread Starter
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Someone raised (about post #105) a question about " screen image motion blur" and gregr's review comment regarding resolution pumping (blurring) with slight movement during Conan's (NBC) show really grabbed my attention. Recall some previous hardware reviews, perhaps involving the newest pixel-by-pixel deinterlacing chips, that this resolution pumping and motion blurring had been practically eliminated. Perhaps it's only a factor with original 1080/60i-sourced material (interlaced TV cameras vs 24p film/video), but can't imagine having to watch most fine 1080/60i details becoming blurred with slight motion. Seems this would require a costly external processor to cure. Great review. -- John

All motion-adaptive deinterlacing (only used for video sources , not film sources) produces some resolution pumping. There is often a tradeoff between static resolution and resolution pumping with motion. There are also differences between processors in avoiding jaggies, line twitter, and flicker on static vs. moving images.

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Generally that is the way with electronics, they are worth less after purchase. And specifically computers and projectors....both technologies move so fact that they quickly become outdated (so to speak).
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I've had the new BLACK PEARL set up and running now for a few hours. Feeding it 1080p/23.98 for HD DVD and Blu ray is the sweet spot! Quick comparisons to my Ruby were very easy to spot. As many have reported SHARPNESS level seems much higher on the VW60. In fact, I have not had a pj this sharp since my DLP days. Since I just turned it on it is to early to do any real calibrating but I will say the colors were very nice. As GregR reported the NORMAL mode is the ticket. I also liked gamma 3 on the Ruby and the same holds true with the VW60. I did spend a good amount of time tweaking the image with my crystalio II. Having 2 HDMI outs is very helpful sine the VP60 has 2 HDMI ins. I use one for 1080p/60 (DirecTV, DTHEATER, SD dvds or anything else) and then I use the second HDMI for 1080p/23.98 from HD DVD and Blu ray. I will say the colors on the Ruby are very nice and it took me awhile to get the VW60 near them. Where the VW60 excelled was the main reason I purchased one from AVS. The 1080p/23.98 picture image (judder free) looked amazing. That is where it passed my Ruby in performance. In 1080p/60 I would lean towards the Ruby because of its rich colors. When I put in a few HD movies even my Wife was impressed. I will say watching DirceTV the guide was obviously more sharper then before. Words on the screen are more intense. I know I took a huge bath going to the VP60 and selling my Ruby but I will dry off when I am watching Blu ray and HD DVD this Winter.

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Thank you joerod.

I currently have Ruby and a Lumagen HDQ, so I really don't care about the 1080p24 ability of the Black Pearl.
I'm thinking about replacing my Ruby for a Black Pearl for 2 reasons: price depreciation and convergence setting (hence sharpness improved).
Do you think this is the right choice, and why ?

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joerod,

How do you find the brightness of the VW60 as compared to the Ruby or other projectors that you may have viewed? Approximately what throw ratio do you have the VW60 set to? What size and gain is your screen?
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joerod what are you finding on fast moving action like life sports and motion blur? Can tell a big difference on this not using your external processor?
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Doesn't the Lumagen HDQ do 1080p/24? That would be a BIG reason to get the VW60. I mounted the BLACK PEARL exactly wher my Ruby was at which is about 15 feet away from my 120.5" Silverstar. Since it is brand new it is not fair to compare brightness but I would say they are about the same. I think the lamp will hold up better than the Rubys. I watched some football lastnite and I went back and forth using the pj and my VP. Of course I like my VP (crystalioII) better which is why I spent good coin getting it. Without it though the VW60 did a very good job. At first I did notice a little noise in the blacks but after I did a little tweaking they turned into a good, inky, clean, deep blacks.
I am very impressed at how well this pj performs. Like everything else technology gets much better while pricing comes down. The SHARPNESS is again one of the sharpest projectors I have seen. Combine that with a good HD image (like HD DVD or Blu ray at 1080p/23.98) and call it a day! I could spend twice this on a different pj but honestly it would not be a night and day difference. This new Black Pearl will and does outperform many other pjs in and above its price range...

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Yes the Lumagen does 1080p24, but it also does 1080p48 for the Ruby, so 1080p24 on the VW60 is not an advantage for me
Now sharpness is... I've put my Ruby on sale and I'll see what happens...

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Believe me, I compared 1080p/48 on the ruby's DVI and 1080p/24 on the WV60's HDMI... They do not compare!

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I will check that out tonite. So far I have only messed with 23.98.

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I another note I also really am impressed with the remote. It has plenty of direct adjustment buttons on it. It also lights up nicely...

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I see you have a z5 .how dose it compare?
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joerod,

How do you find the brightness of the VW60 as compared to the Ruby or other projectors that you may have viewed? Approximately what throw ratio do you have the VW60 set to? What size and gain is your screen?

Joerod-

Scott asked this earlier today, and I was wondering about the brightness as well, because the lumens numbers have NOT been very impressive. Could you address these for us. Hey, thanks for the info you've shared thus far. It really is helpful.
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The Z5 is my outdoor pj. I use it with a 242" blimpscreen. It is 720p but it will accept a 1080p resolution. It is nice but it does not compare to the Black Pearl. Especially with all the features! I checked out the Panel Alignment tonight and was very happy knowing I could dial it in perfectly. It reminded me of my old 65" CRT sony wv700 RPTV when manually doing convergence. That feature enough is worth it!

As for brightness, so far I have to admit I need to wear sunglasses. Of course I am still below 10 hours so the lamp has not settled down yet. Speaking of lamps, I have to admit I can breathe easier knowing the lamps are less than half the price of the Rubys. At those prices I can keep 2 spares! Watching the baseball playoffs and some football I found myself changing color to WIDE. The grass was such a nice green and the uniforms looked vivid and rich. For movies I still would use NORMAL though. I also checked out Cars and Pirates of the Carribean on StarzHD and they both looked unbelievable. The amount of detail with sharpness was perfect. Also the colors were spot on. This pj is going to turn more heads...

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Joerod, does the black pearl have the new sony ability to dial in convergence to within a1/2 pixel for each color or is that only on the upper end pj

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Joerod, does the black pearl have the new sony ability to dial in convergence to within a1/2 pixel for each color or is that only on the upper end pj

I believe the Black Pearl can be dialed in in .1 pixel increments. It brings a tear to a CRTer's eye.

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Sorry. It is really cool being able to converge like that. And it gives you more peace of mind knowing that convergence is about as good as it can be...

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How is the MC at the corners with the center dialed in?
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Also, 1080p/48 looks as good as 1080p/24 HDMI. So no worries for you 1080p/48 folks.

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My corners are excellent. Of course I could have gotten lucky...

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My corners are perfect as well... the picture is phenomenal using HD DVD source out of my HTPC via HDMI. Wow, colors, sharpness and dark levels are fantastic. In fact the out-of-the-box settings were more than enough to light up my 135" Carada BW screen (bat cave). Damn could have gone bigger!!!

I just moved into my new house but will post some more details soon.

Just a note, my new Paradigm signature 100's, CC690, servo 15 and back/surrounds (with Anthem amp) sound fantastic and along with the VW60 makes a very impressive HT experience - or at least what I've seen in the first day playing with it. Can't wait to see what this HT can do fully tweaked!
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CR is crazy per unit according to cine4home, without calibration, it varies wildly (3000 to 1 to 6500 to 1).

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Pretty much I feel completely the opposite of your post which is why I went with the Black Pearl.

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joerod has a ton of mula can he sprae some for me HHEEHE ....please.
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If I can be guaranteed 15,000:1 CR with the Sanyo PLV-Z2000, I'm getting that. If the Sanyos can get at least 15,000:1, even with a IFC calibration, at more than $1,500 less I can afford to get it calibrated. I don't see why I would want to risk getting a unit that's even less contrast than the original Pearl! I could care less about the Black Pearl being "sharper" and the convergence control. IMHO the colors were just fine too with the settings posted by SOWK, so colors aren't an issue with the Pearl either. I have 20/15 vision and from about two feet from a Pearl on a 92" FH SST, I didn't think it was "soft" at all. It's a shame that Sony makes such a great product and then can't get their act together to make sure every single unit is OOTB exactly the same as all the other units. Sony did the same thing by rushing out the PS3 before it was ready and had to release a ton of patches.


I am working on the Z2000 preview at the moment. The Z2000 has quite some potential. It is somewhat disappointing though that the dynamic Iris has not been improved compared to the Z4 / Z5. We made some modifications and developed a Z2000 "Ultra" Edition (like we did with the Mitsu HC5000), which reached actually 3800:1 native D65-contrast.. around 7500:1 with DI...

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About the VW60, we will check more units in the coming weeks and let you guys know...

When will we see a production review with brightness measurements?
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I only watched DirecTV HD tonite and I was completely happy with the performance of the VW60. After working a little with colors and black level I was able to take it to the next level. Football helmets looked so detailed with their painted color that I thought they looked wet. I had to double check to make sure it wasn't raining! There were a few good movies on that also looked impressive. I am now approaching 15 hours on the lamp so maybe it will settle down some. Even Skinamax HD looked terrific! Almost to good which is why I am just now posting... And again with the sharper image I am seeing a little more detail in close-ups. I was watching Wedding Crashers and some of the details even on the doors (when Owen would look through the door window) looked to good. Even more scary is a close-up of Lemmony Snickets. You can see Jim Carey's make-up perfectly. Have I mentioned how SHARP this pj is yet?

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CR is crazy per unit according to cine4home, without calibration, it varies wildly (3000 to 1 to 6500 to 1).

Quoting numbers without calibration is meaningless. The only thing that matters is what it does after careful calibration. These LCoS DI projectors are not as easy to calibrate as a DLP projector. It can often take some effort to optimize their total performance.

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Quoting numbers without calibration is meaningless. The only thing that matters is what it does after careful calibration. These LCoS DI projectors are not as easy to calibrate as a DLP projector. It can often take some effort to optimize their total performance.



Native contrast obviously influences calibrated contrast. Very surprising that I have to mention that here...

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When will we see a production review with brightness measurements?



As soon as we have seen enough units to make a reliable review. These deviations show that reviews of single test units (normally picked samples), dont give accurate results - at least when it comes to this Sony...


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