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post #61 of 5193 Old 12-22-2007, 06:10 PM - Thread Starter
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BIG BAD NEWS

well the code not work.
i am may to stupid or benq change it or something else.

so i cant do what i origial like to do but i found a very strange bad thing.

when you read all my post in this thead i say yes with the sony bd player
and the ps3 the pr. can do 24p right.

THIS IS WRONG BUT IN A VERY BAD WAY!

the pr. shows 24p but this 24p still have the same 3:2 motion bug inside like the
normally 60p have.

i was in the beginning not 100% sure about it but thanks that i have 2 ps3 here i connect both
via hdmi one with 24p force and the other one 60p.
the pr. shows the one with 24p at 24p and the one at 60p at 60p but
both have the same 3:2 pulldown bug inside that the 24p not have anymore!

to make it 1000% sure i switch my big 3 chip on and there you can easy see a difference in motion
when i switch between 60p and 24p.
with both ps3 to the w 5000 there is no difference between 24p and 60p.

the w5000 for some reason take the 24p and bring this signal with no motion bug somehow to 60p with the motion bug.
so it add the motion bug that is not anymore there with 24p.

THAT IS VERY VERY BAD

btw a very good test is the bd "the day ater tomorror" the beginning seq.first 50 sec. with the fligh over the iceberg.
this is no screen shot!

i have the light on to show the w5000 and left and right a ps3.
on top the big picture is my 3 chip dlp(dim down to min. light out about 4000 lumen)
and down the w5000 picture both on a small 3m test screen that i
normally use only for 3d.

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i Wolfgang
received mine yesterday, started to play with one
well it says 1080 60indeed when fed a 24p from the PS3
still casino royale seems to look as fluid as with the JVC HD1. i have to double check

avoid pushing the contrast too much: dithering shows quickly its ugly face.
this is one reason JVC has such success: does not ADD video noise (well the king of no added noise is still a CRT.....)

the W5000 sharp and quite bright.it MUST be calibrated indeed.
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i Wolfgang
received mine yesterday, started to play with one
well it says 1080 60indeed when fed a 24p from the PS3
still casino royale seems to look as fluid as with the JVC HD1. i have to double check

avoid pushing the contrast too much: dithering shows quickly its ugly face.
this is one reason JVC has such success: does not ADD video noise (well the king of no added noise is still a CRT.....)

the W5000 sharp and quite bright.it MUST be calibrated indeed.

By your location is Gotham City...I assume NY? If so, did you import the unit? I would love to get my hands on one sooner than end of Jan.

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lol nope Europe
well i just sort of calibrated it. to be honest, user 2 color temp is very good to my eyes.
here's some screenshots(my digicam is not calibrated!)
it's miles miles better in real life.
anyway just to show the settings i'm using now. and i know well this movie.
this is a lot of projector for the money. ansi/pop is high. dlp caracteristic.
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I like those. How do you compare this pj with others that you've owned?

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I like those. How do you compare this pj with others that you've owned?

Wayne

hi

well definitely much brighter than the 8720 from benq
as much brigghtness pop as the JVC HD1
it's dlp so ansi contrast, pop is higher than LCOS.
double iris (auto and the manual one) gives excellent night scenes.
didn't seem to me to be visible (optoma is very bad that)

this unit belongs to the new generation of DLP machines using that "super"light path (as the new marantz i guess, and the SIM2 D80E and 380)
menus are better than previous BENQ generation

this is a 300cm wide image 1.4gain mp screen, projector is 680cm away from the screen so, tele zoom
could be brighter i guess much closer.
don't push contrast too much as dithering appears in whites
as it is set i'm very happy. lamp in eco mode !
a mono dlp always adds a bit more noise (dithering) vs a DILA. (the DILA also adds a bit of noise on certain movements)
it's sharper though which is normal: one chip but the JVC is very sharp for a lcos
LCD don't play in that field, except perhaps they are closer to lcos low video loise.i reall hadn't the opportunity to test the PANA AE2000 for instance.

this W5000 is at amazing prices... too low (i sell and install )

(it's time JVC releases a HD200 with 1500ansi lumens ! THAT would the bomb.)
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This projector is one I am targeting to replace my BenQ 8720. I've found the 8720 to be too dim for my tastes since I went the scope route with a larger screen. I need some extra lumens....plus, I've been acking to jump into the 1080P market too.

Unfortunately AVS won't be carrying this projector. Anyone want to rec. an authorized dealer here in the states for the W5000? I don't have anyone in Kansas City, so I have to go the net/mail order route.

Thanks
Ron

PS: I did contact Projector PPL (since they are listed on BenQ's site...but they didn't have any info, nor could say if they would be carrying this unit.
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Digital2004

Thanks a lot for taking the time to explain all of this. I'll be considering this pj very carefully over the next little while. It sounds like it's pretty good.

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Hello to everybody,

I just want to tell you my experiences with my W5000 that did replace my PE8720.

Considering
Brightness: Altough the bulb is 200W instead of 250W the picture is much brighter than with the Pe8720

Sharpness: W5000 is much sharper than the 8720. It is even more than Sharp ZV21000 as I could see in a 1:1 "shootout" here at a local dealer site

24p issue, Motion bug: A great issue is the 24p Signal issue. As Wolfgang did state at present the W5000 does only accept 1080p/24hz signals if the player or the external scaler forces the 24p signal. For whatever reason any automatic settings (e.g. HD-XE1, PS3) will not work. The motion with forced 24p using ps3 is fine. Me personal cannot see any motion bugs. And I can compare directly to my 8720. With Hd DVD 1080p/60hz I obviously still can see it. So we used the HD-EP35 that - due to a firmware bug - always forces 1080p/24hz. Using this player it does work smooth and fine. For me thats completely fine.

You know, considering the pricing and the delivered performance the beamer is outstanding and brilliant.

But as everything that I post, this is my subjective perception.

I WISH ALL YOU GUYS MERRY XMAS

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Thanks a lot for taking the time to explain all of this. I'll be considering this pj very carefully over the next little while. It sounds like it's pretty good.

Wayne

you're welcome

make sure you can see it and use my settings. you can screw up easily the image. it's very sensitive as per the settings you decide.

a lot of projector for low price.
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Hello to everybody,

I just want to tell you my experiences with my W5000 that did replace my PE8720.

Considering
Brightness: Altough the bulb is 200W instead of 250W the picture is much brighter than with the Pe8720

Sharpness: W5000 is much sharper than the 8720. It is even more than Sharp ZV21000 as I could see in a 1:1 "shootout" here at a local dealer site

24p issue, Motion bug: A great issue is the 24p Signal issue. As Wolfgang did state at present the W5000 does only accept 1080p/24hz signals if the player or the external scaler forces the 24p signal. For whatever reason any automatic settings (e.g. HD-XE1, PS3) will not work. The motion with forced 24p using ps3 is fine. Me personal cannot see any motion bugs. And I can compare directly to my 8720. With Hd DVD 1080p/60hz I obviously still can see it. So we used the HD-EP35 that - due to a firmware bug - always forces 1080p/24hz. Using this player it does work smooth and fine. For me thats completely fine.

You know, considering the pricing and the delivered performance the beamer is outstanding and brilliant.

But as everything that I post, this is my subjective perception.

I WISH ALL YOU GUYS MERRY XMAS

Jo from Germany

hi Jo
i concur with all you say:
BRIGTHNESS: it's for real: huge difference. and i'm in eco at tele mode.
SHARPNESS: indeed, very sharp (lens)
24p: this is why i was not bothered as opposed to Wolgang: my PS3 is in forced 24p mode, i have to double check though

don't worry guys about on off contrast ratio not being 25,000:1 : it's very contrasted daylight and nighties. the JVC HD100 goes above of course on night scenes only (some scenes). night scenes is also very dependent how it was filmed and encoded.
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don't worry guys about on off contrast ratio not being 25,000:1 : it's very contrasted daylight and nighties.

How about the subjective impression re black bars in 2.35 movies?

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You guys in Europe are having all the FUN!
Frohe Weihnachten! (Merry Christmas!)

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You guys in Europe are having all the FUN!
Frohe Weihnachten! (Merry Christmas!)

Merry Christmas and normally we get everything last in Europe

So having the W5000 first is only fair.

cheers Mike
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You guys in Europe are having all the FUN!
Frohe Weihnachten! (Merry Christmas!)

We've got the better money, haven't we?

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Touché!

Don't forget, it wasn't that long ago that we were all salivating over you guys getting the JVC RS1/HD1 first.

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Don't forget, it wasn't that long ago that we were all salivating over you guys getting the JVC RS1/HD1 first.

Past glories

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Can anyone who currently has this projector confirm that you can switch color wheel speeds from 5x to 6x? This feature was mentioned earlier in this thread, but I don't think it has been confirmed on an actual projector yet.
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That seems fair!
This has all been a lot of fun for me.
Most of you appear to be pros who are sharing new info with other pros. I'm not a pro but I do share your endless passion for home theater. I'm close to make the purchase of a lifetime (1st HT projector) & desire all the knowledge I can get. I understand basics but much of what is discussed is over the top. When I shop at local showrooms I'll have all that I have learned from pros like you to help me get past their sales pitch.
As I was building a new home I followed a number of projectors for more than a year. RS1 & W10000, then W9000. New BenQs & were announced back in the fall & I've been quite surprised how slow BenQ has been promoting them. I've been Googling W5000 & W20000 for 2 months. Early info (translated from Chinese) was sketchy at best. A few photos & preliminary details - thats all. But, then some Canadian, German & UK websites posted prices more than a month. But, all the best info has come out of Germany & UK. Especially now, here at AV Science, that some are actually doing real testing. This is all very exciting, indeed. Thank you all for sharing.
The price of the W5000 is right but the early testing would indicate there may be quality issues to address. From what differences are offered, the price increase of the W20000 doesn't seem justified.
Merry Christmas to you all & once again, thank you all for sharing.

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A very Merry Christmas to all from me as well.

Derg,

I'm excited for you. When I started this 'hobby' it was 2003 and I purchased the Infocus X1 which was the best bang for the buck projector at that time and arguably set the standard in that regard. It was a break though pj and even showed HD very well even if it was only 800 x 600 resolution natively.

Your first projector will be even better as performance and prices have increased and decreased respectively. We surely don't have much information as you say about these new BenQ pjs and rely on our friends across the big pond to keep us informed and to educate us. Any more reviews and especially screen shots would be welcomed by me for sure.

I do believe that I myself will no doubt spring for either the W10000 or the W5000 unless CES in January holds enticing surprises that we don't know about yet. The problem is that our house is up for sale and we can't have a brand new projector sitting in a box wasting up valuable warranty time so I must research like many of us here and wait until the right deal and the right time comes along.

Someone was going to try the lens tweak and post pictures. How's that coming along?
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My wife gets worried ($$$$$$) when I start talking HT! She'd be happy with a 20 year old 17" Sony & a 16 transistor radio for sound.
We're about a 110 miles from each other. Just take the 402 west to Sarnia, then the Blue Water Bridge to I-69 & your almost there.

Yes, HT is much like computers; it's almost obsolete the moment you purchase it. Every month, it seems, something new is replacing the former "State of the Art" gear.

I put my purchasing off because I need a lot of new gear as my old pre-processor won't do 7.1. I figured most new equipment would be HDMI 1.3 by now so Blu-ray (I do have this now) would connect to a HDMI 1.3 AVR (yet to get) & then to the PJ. I don't know if it matters if the PJ is 1.3 or not, but there are plenty of ones that are 1.3. I don't understand why BenQ would omit this with the W5000/W20000 PJs as 1.3 has been a round about a year.

CES usually shows off new projectors that have been announced; sometimes advanced prototypes not actual production. I would expect BenQs presents & more detail to offer about these new products by then. I don't think we'll hear much about the W20000 until DC4 is available, so the push is on the W5000. CEDIA is the hot spot for HT gear. Lots of announcements & displays.

Thanks for the encouragement!

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The BenQs secondary colors in your picture look very good and very close to your Christie. That is very good to see them side by side.
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DERG,

Yeah, small world isn't it? I haven't been over to the Port Huron area in several years.

I guess you're right about CES and CEDIA. I get much more excited about CES though. It comes just after Christmas and we're barely into the New Year and then bam, all this great electronics info coming at us and before long the projectors on display are available for purchase. I love it.

My wife is the same as yours. She realizes that it's my thing and tolerates it for the most part. She does get worried as well when I start talking about expensive projectors and such. But we can't have everything so we have to pick and choose what we want the most. I've found that projectors have given me the most fun of any electronics purchase I've made. So much tweaking and viewing you can do. And then you start all over again when new pjs come out. At least you can fantasize about them if you can't afford them.

The 1.3 thing doesn't bother me as much as the forced 24Hz. But then again, although I have both HD DVD and BD, neither of my machines do 24Hz so it's not going to be a big deal until I notice judder.

I wonder if Santa likes projectors?

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For info on the 5000 and 20000 go to www.benq.com European site (in English). Has been removed from Global site.
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Wayne,
I'd bet your eager to see full HD on the big screen!
You're right - tweaking is 1/2 the fun!
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Thanks Robert!

You're right George. I've had 720p with my Optoma HD7100 which I no longer have and I want 1080p because I want to sit close to a huge screen. I've got 106" Da-Lite High Power now and I want to go to either a 119" or 133".

Problem is I'm going to have to do the lens tweak fix in order to go that big with any of the BenQ projectors (1080p) because the pj is only going to be as far as 15' from lens to screen. The way they are now, I can only manage about 113" in screen size if I remember correctly.

If we've all been good, maybe we'll have new 'beamers' under the tree.

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The BenQs secondary colors in your picture look very good and very close to your Christie. That is very good to see them side by side.

alan

the picture was not a screen shot and you know that i not like screen shots.
but if you have both pr. side by side both calibratet on one screen
it can tell a little bit.

the w 5000 color are good but not as good as my 3 chip dlp with xenon.
the vw 60 that i have till this mornig in "color low" are
perfect!
may i am lucky or not but the vw 60 in low right out the box have almost the same color my 3chip dlp with xenon have.!!!
very dificult to see a difference.
i never think that so fast uhp gets so good.

i have since 1 year no lcos anymore and its nice to see how good an
lcos is in motion.
very smoothly.

just because i measured the vw 60 anyway and some like to know my
numbers.

full light color low (very good color right out the box!)

iris auto 1 8025:1
iris full open 2364:1
iris full close 3078:1

ansi cr. 305:1 (the best ansi cr. i ever found from a lcos pr.!)

680 lumen at very good color.
2 lamp hour.

merry christmas to all of you
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Merry Christmas from Greece.
I have the new projector from BENQ but until now i do not calibrated it. The image looks better than W10000 and 9000.
I will see the issue about the 24fps . I use the PIONEER LX70, PS3, LG110 and HTPC.
The color wheel change from 2 to 3x (2x,2.5x,3x).

I post some pic from the secret menu.
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Merry Christmas manos,

That looks like good flesh tone in the image. Please post any further thoughts you may have as you learn more about this projector. Do you think that the lens might be changed to a shorter throw by utilizing the DIY tweak performed successfully on the W10000?

What is it about the image that makes you say it's better than the W10000/9000?

Thanks!

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Originally Posted by mystery View Post

Merry Christmas manos,

That looks like good flesh tone in the image. Please post any further thoughts you may have as you learn more about this projector. Do you think that the lens might be changed to a shorter throw by utilizing the DIY tweak performed successfully on the W10000?

What is it about the image that makes you say it's better than the W10000/9000?

Thanks!

Wayne

Yes I think that overall the performance of this projector is better than the old one.
I do not like the DIY tweak because a lot of time the lens motorized stop to work.
I like the Brilliant color function but i think is better to change it from "Look1" to "Look 2" if you want to decrease the noise.
You can also change the waveform lamp (because the unishape) from 1 to 4(default 2) as also the Lamo Sync delay.

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