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How to get an OTA antenna signal indoors in apartment

I had been using a flat coaxial cable, such as http://www.cablesforless.com/Flat-Co...P5085C144.aspx, to get an outdor antenna signal indoors at my apartment. The cable goes horizontally between the center of my sliding patio doors. When the patio door slides shut, it doesn't quite close all the way due to the cable, and where the center of the doors meet the cable gets pinched a bit causing signal problems.

I originally used (and still have) a RCA 1500 indoor antenna (sticker says 1242GM) and I was disappointed with that performance. The outdoor antenna on my patio is a a RCA 800 (sticker says 1403GM).

Short of drilling through the wall and sealing the hole, are there any other options? The distance from the antenna to the display is <15ft and I have power on the patio, would there be a wireless solution?

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Drill the hole. That's what a cable or satellite provider would have to do.
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Drilling a hole in the wall of an apartment would make him responsible for "damages" whenever it is necessary to move....so work with the owner to see if he will allow you (or him) to hire a Professional.

Or since RCA 1500 reportedly isn't even as good as Rabbit-Ears, try the WALLTENNA, a simple 2-Bay Bowtie laid out on a Transparent piece of Plastic (similar to Mohu Leaf which is NOT Transparent). It can be mounted directly to the NON-Sliding part of the Door with no cable interference problems (presuming Sliding part is on the Exterior):
http://www.walltenna.com [Also available from Amazon, et. al.]

The 2-Bay Bowtie (with NO Reflector) was at or near the top in many Indoor Antenna Tests:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/25-hdt...na-signal.html

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The non-sliding part of the door is on the outside, and on the left as viewed from the interior. I would need the cable to route towards the room corner to the left of the non-sliding door. I don't recall the exact verbiage, but it's in the lease that drilling through an exterior wall isn't allowed. I'll take a look at those links later this evening, thanks!

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I wonder what would happen if he used a couple of those small, floppy "hang-on-the-wall" antennas, back to back.
Put one on the inside of the glass, feeding to the TV, and one on the outside of the glass, fed by the outdoor antenna.
Line them up so they are only a fraction of an inch apart (thickness of the glass). You might try flipping them (front to back) if there are any multipath issues on some channels. Then, tape them in place
They'd act like a transformer.

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@jimmueller . The FCC grants apartment and condo residents the legal right to install an antenna in an area under their exclusive control (such as a balcony or patio), and prohibits landlords (and condo associations) from imposing restrictions that unreasonably limit that right.

If it is permissible for the cable/satellite company to drill a hole to bring a cable in, preventing you from doing so for your antenna would likely be considered an unreasonable restriction... the FCC rule specifically mentions prior approval (as suggested by holl_ands) as generally being prohibited.

Having filed for a patent on a UHF/VHF/FM antenna designed for balcony/patio installation, I find myself regularly having to educate landlords and condo associations about the FCC rule.
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I just cloned my 2-Bay Bowtie 4nec2 model into two Back-To-Back versions on either side of a Window: Single-Pane (0.25-in Separation) and Double-Pane (0.813-in Separation). In both cases the SWR on low and high frequencies became worst and the Passive 2-Bay became a REFLECTOR with more Gain directed BACK into the room, esp. on lower frequencies.

BTW: Earlier I used nikiml's Optimizer trying to improve FORWARD Gain of old CM4221 with a (presumably) Smaller DIRECTORS, whether 4 stand-alone Bowties (no Feedline) or 4 simple Dipoles.....neither improved performance....

So it's better to simply mount the Antenna on the INSIDE of the Window.

PS: NEC2 is not capable of modeling the 20 dB LOSS (approx) found in modern Low-E Glass, which has a thin metallic layer to reflect sunlight....so YMMV....a LOT...

For comparison, here are nikiml EVAL Results for (unmodified) M2 (9.5x9.0) 2-Bay Bowtie (NO Refl):
Code:
Input file : Y:\DOCS - BLUESHARE\4nec2 models\Band - UHF\UHF - Multi-Bay Bowties\
UHF - Multi 2-Bay Bowties\UHF - M2 9.5x9.0 2-Bay - NO Refl\
UHF_2-Bay_9.5x9_BowSwp=0.0in_NO_Refl_FeedSep=1.5in.nec
Freq sweeps: [(470, 12, 29)]
Autosegmentation: 10 per 0.319149


         --- Gain ---              -- Ratios -- -- Impedance --
   Freq    Raw    Net   SWR BeamW    F/R    F/B    Real    Imag  AGT  corr
==========================================================================
  470.0   5.24   5.07  1.47  59.1   0.00   0.00  436.21   38.15 0.98 -0.08
  482.0   5.45   5.33  1.39  57.9   0.00   0.00  416.97   11.00 0.98 -0.08
  494.0   5.66   5.57  1.31  56.7   0.00   0.00  393.85  -10.09 0.98 -0.08
  506.0   5.89   5.83  1.24  55.3   0.00   0.00  368.54  -25.07 0.98 -0.08
  518.0   6.11   6.07  1.19  54.2   0.00   0.00  342.46  -34.27 0.98 -0.08
  530.0   6.35   6.33  1.14  53.0   0.00   0.00  316.67  -38.27 0.98 -0.08
  542.0   6.59   6.57  1.14  51.8   0.00   0.00  291.94  -37.72 0.98 -0.08
  554.0   6.83   6.81  1.17  50.7   0.00   0.00  268.75  -33.28 0.98 -0.07
  566.0   7.08   7.03  1.24  49.5   0.00   0.00  247.42  -25.56 0.98 -0.07
  578.0   7.33   7.25  1.32  48.3   0.00   0.00  228.10  -15.05 0.98 -0.07
  590.0   7.59   7.46  1.42  47.0   0.00   0.00  210.89   -2.21 0.98 -0.07
  602.0   7.85   7.65  1.54  45.7   0.00   0.00  195.79   12.65 0.98 -0.07
  614.0   8.11   7.83  1.67  44.6   0.00   0.00  182.80   29.28 0.98 -0.07
  626.0   8.36   7.99  1.81  43.4   0.00   0.00  171.92   47.49 0.98 -0.07
  638.0   8.61   8.12  1.97  42.4   0.00   0.00  163.14   67.19 0.98 -0.08
  650.0   8.84   8.23  2.14  41.3   0.00   0.00  156.51   88.34 0.98 -0.08
  662.0   9.06   8.31  2.32  40.3   0.00   0.00  152.13  110.98 0.98 -0.08
  674.0   9.26   8.37  2.51  39.2   0.00   0.00  150.14  135.19 0.98 -0.08
  686.0   9.44   8.41  2.69  38.0   0.00   0.00  150.84  161.13 0.98 -0.08
  698.0   9.58   8.42  2.88  36.9   0.00   0.00  154.63  189.01 0.98 -0.08
  710.0   9.70   8.41  3.05  35.8   0.00   0.00  162.21  219.12 0.98 -0.08
  722.0   9.79   8.40  3.20  34.7   0.00   0.00  174.55  251.78 0.98 -0.09
  734.0   9.84   8.36  3.32  33.8   0.00   0.00  193.17  287.19 0.98 -0.09
  746.0   9.85   8.31  3.40  32.9   0.00   0.00  220.41  325.49 0.98 -0.09
  758.0   9.83   8.26  3.45  32.0   0.00   0.00  259.77  366.12 0.98 -0.09
  770.0   9.78   8.21  3.46  31.2   0.00   0.00  316.64  406.94 0.98 -0.09
  782.0   9.71   8.16  3.42  30.5   0.00   0.00  398.41  442.16 0.98 -0.09
  794.0   9.60   8.09  3.36  29.7   0.00   0.00  513.57  457.84 0.98 -0.09
  806.0   9.48   8.04  3.26  28.7   0.00   0.00  662.70  425.10 0.98 -0.09
Here are EVAL Results for Single-Pane Back-Back M2 (9.5x9.0) 2-Bay Bowtie (NO Refl):
Code:
Input file : Y:\DOCS - BLUESHARE\4nec2 models\Band - UHF\UHF - Multi-Bay Bowties\
UHF - Multi 2-Bay Bowties\UHF - M2 9.5x9.0 2-Bay - NO Refl\Back-Back-In-Window\
UHF_Back-Back_SnglPane_2-Bay_9-5x9_NO_Refl.nec
Freq sweeps: [(470, 12, 29)]
Autosegmentation: 10 per 0.319149


         --- Gain ---              -- Ratios -- -- Impedance --
   Freq    Raw    Net   SWR BeamW    F/R    F/B    Real    Imag  AGT  corr
==========================================================================
  470.0   7.82  -2.22 38.37  54.5  17.66  17.86  684.20 2706.02 1.04  0.17
  482.0  -5.56 -14.49 29.25  73.2 -13.43 -13.43  274.69-1499.22 1.04  0.17
  494.0   2.80  -0.67  6.75  59.6  -4.47  -4.47  214.86 -555.29 1.04  0.17
  506.0   4.24   2.55  3.62  56.7  -2.79  -2.79  204.12 -326.98 1.04  0.17
  518.0   4.94   3.94  2.66  55.0  -2.07  -2.07  194.77 -222.63 1.04  0.17
  530.0   5.42   4.72  2.26  53.6  -1.67  -1.67  185.31 -160.86 1.04  0.17
  542.0   5.82   5.25  2.07  52.2  -1.41  -1.41  175.85 -118.11 1.04  0.17
  554.0   6.12   5.61  2.00  51.0  -1.22  -1.22  166.59  -85.07 1.05  0.22
  566.0   6.44   5.93  2.00  49.8  -1.09  -1.09  157.70  -57.35 1.05  0.22
  578.0   6.75   6.21  2.04  48.5  -0.99  -0.99  149.30  -32.59 1.05  0.22
  590.0   7.05   6.45  2.12  47.2  -0.90  -0.90  141.52   -9.42 1.05  0.22
  602.0   7.34   6.65  2.24  45.9  -0.83  -0.83  134.44   13.05 1.05  0.22
  614.0   7.62   6.83  2.38  44.7  -0.77  -0.77  128.16   35.44 1.05  0.22
  626.0   7.89   6.97  2.55  43.6  -0.72  -0.72  122.78   58.20 1.05  0.22
  638.0   8.14   7.07  2.75  42.5  -0.68  -0.68  118.40   81.75 1.05  0.23
  650.0   8.39   7.15  2.98  41.4  -0.63  -0.63  115.14  106.45 1.05  0.23
  662.0   8.62   7.20  3.24  40.4  -0.59  -0.59  113.15  132.76 1.05  0.23
  674.0   8.83   7.21  3.52  39.1  -0.55  -0.55  112.63  161.16 1.05  0.23
  686.0   9.01   7.18  3.84  37.9  -0.52  -0.52  113.84  192.33 1.05  0.23
  698.0   9.16   7.11  4.18  36.8  -0.48  -0.48  117.14  227.19 1.05  0.23
  710.0   9.29   7.00  4.56  35.6  -0.43  -0.43  123.06  267.16 1.05  0.23
  722.0   9.41   6.86  5.00  34.5  -0.39  -0.39  132.37  314.53 1.05  0.20
  734.0   9.47   6.62  5.53  33.5  -0.33  -0.33  146.29  373.29 1.05  0.20
  746.0   9.50   6.27  6.27  32.5  -0.25  -0.25  166.96  451.63 1.05  0.20
  758.0   9.52   5.71  7.48  31.6  -0.13  -0.13  198.53  569.20 1.05  0.20
  770.0   9.53   4.68 10.12  30.5   0.08   0.08  254.28  790.38 1.05  0.20
  782.0   9.52   2.13 19.89  28.9   0.55   0.55  427.18 1510.77 1.05  0.20
  794.0   5.83  -5.96 58.38  27.5  -3.33  -3.33  919.16-3894.66 1.05  0.20
  806.0   7.86   5.39  4.86  30.5  -2.04  -2.04  305.39 -529.96 1.05  0.20


And EVAL Results for Double-Pane Back-Back M2 (9.5x9.0) 2-Bay Bowtie
(NO Refl):
Code:
Input file : Y:\DOCS - BLUESHARE\4nec2 models\Band - UHF\UHF - Multi-Bay Bowties\
UHF - Multi 2-Bay Bowties\UHF - M2 9.5x9.0 2-Bay - NO Refl\Back-Back-In-Window\
UHF_Back-Back_DblPane_2-Bay_9-5x9_NO_Refl.nec
Freq sweeps: [(470, 12, 29)]
Autosegmentation: 10 per 0.319149


         --- Gain ---              -- Ratios -- -- Impedance --
   Freq    Raw    Net   SWR BeamW    F/R    F/B    Real    Imag  AGT  corr
==========================================================================
  470.0   7.69  -1.71 32.76  49.7   0.06   0.06 5754.76-4837.88 0.96 -0.18
  482.0  -2.19  -8.85 16.47  40.0 -11.82 -11.82  302.21-1147.88 0.96 -0.18
  494.0  -4.90  -8.85  7.79  62.3 -14.10 -14.10  193.45 -576.44 0.96 -0.18
  506.0  -0.77  -3.20  4.79  61.6  -9.57  -9.57  167.06 -364.11 0.96 -0.18
  518.0   1.28  -0.35  3.54  58.3  -7.29  -7.29  154.29 -251.18 0.96 -0.18
  530.0   2.51   1.30  2.94  55.8  -5.97  -5.97  145.68 -179.17 0.96 -0.18
  542.0   3.38   2.39  2.64  53.8  -5.08  -5.08  138.84 -127.67 0.96 -0.18
  554.0   4.05   3.18  2.49  52.2  -4.46  -4.46  132.97  -87.69 0.96 -0.19
  566.0   4.61   3.77  2.44  50.7  -3.98  -3.98  127.74  -54.62 0.96 -0.19
  578.0   5.09   4.24  2.46  49.3  -3.61  -3.61  123.02  -25.86 0.96 -0.19
  590.0   5.53   4.63  2.53  47.8  -3.30  -3.30  118.75    0.21 0.96 -0.19
  602.0   5.93   4.95  2.63  46.4  -3.05  -3.05  114.94   24.68 0.96 -0.19
  614.0   6.31   5.23  2.77  45.0  -2.82  -2.82  111.62   48.34 0.96 -0.19
  626.0   6.66   5.46  2.94  43.7  -2.63  -2.63  108.86   71.77 0.96 -0.19
  638.0   7.00   5.65  3.13  42.5  -2.44  -2.44  106.73   95.49 0.96 -0.19
  650.0   7.31   5.80  3.36  41.4  -2.28  -2.28  105.36  119.96 0.96 -0.19
  662.0   7.61   5.93  3.61  40.2  -2.12  -2.12  104.89  145.67 0.96 -0.19
  674.0   7.88   6.01  3.88  38.9  -1.98  -1.98  105.53  173.12 0.96 -0.19
  686.0   8.13   6.07  4.19  37.7  -1.83  -1.83  107.51  202.96 0.96 -0.19
  698.0   8.37   6.10  4.52  36.4  -1.67  -1.67  111.18  235.99 0.96 -0.19
  710.0   8.57   6.08  4.88  35.1  -1.52  -1.52  117.00  273.40 0.96 -0.19
  722.0   8.70   5.98  5.28  34.0  -1.34  -1.34  125.64  316.95 0.97 -0.13
  734.0   8.89   5.92  5.75  32.8  -1.12  -1.12  138.09  369.51 0.97 -0.13
  746.0   9.07   5.79  6.35  31.8  -0.88  -0.88  156.02  436.41 0.97 -0.13
  758.0   9.29   5.60  7.22  30.7  -0.56  -0.56  182.54  528.58 0.97 -0.13
  770.0   9.60   5.29  8.66  29.4  -0.11  -0.11  225.67  673.34 0.97 -0.13
  782.0  10.10   4.72 11.70  27.7   0.45   0.45  315.51  962.41 0.97 -0.13
  794.0  10.91   3.55 19.71  25.8   0.60   0.60  767.84 1967.96 0.97 -0.13
  806.0   9.57   1.31 24.77  25.6  -3.11  -3.11 1658.90-3082.70 0.97 -0.13

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@jimmueller . The FCC grants apartment and condo residents the legal right to install an antenna in an area under their exclusive control (such as a balcony or patio), and prohibits landlords (and condo associations) from imposing restrictions that unreasonably limit that right.

If it is permissible for the cable/satellite company to drill a hole to bring a cable in, preventing you from doing so for your antenna would likely be considered an unreasonable restriction... the FCC rule specifically mentions prior approval (as suggested by holl_ands) as generally being prohibited.

Having filed for a patent on a UHF/VHF/FM antenna designed for balcony/patio installation, I find myself regularly having to educate landlords and condo associations about the FCC rule.
You might need to go back and re-read the OTARD rules at http://www.fcc.gov/guides/over-air-r...n-devices-rule which specifically states:

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Q: If I live in a condominium or an apartment building, does this rule apply to me?
A: The rule applies to antenna users who live in a multiple dwelling unit building, such as a condominium or apartment building, if the antenna user has an exclusive use area in which to install the antenna. "Exclusive use" means an area of the property that only you, and persons you permit, may enter and use to the exclusion of other residents. For example, your condominium or apartment may include a balcony, terrace, deck or patio that only you can use, and the rule applies to these areas. The rule does not apply to common areas, such as the roof, the hallways, the walkways or the exterior walls of a condominium or apartment building. Restrictions on antennas installed in these common areas are not covered by the Commission's rule. For example, the rule would not apply to restrictions that prevent drilling through the exterior wall of a condominium or rental unit and thus restrictions may prohibit installation that requires such drilling.
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Maintaining the INTEGRITY of the building (e.g. leakage, electrical wires in the wall, uniformity, et.al.) is STILL a Private Property Right that is NOT usurped by the FCC's OTARD Rule....so DRILLING the Wall without consent FOR SURE is NOT covered....i.e. it is COMMON Property that is NOT under control of the Tenant.

PS: Since Antenna would need to be mounted on the MOVING part of the Sliding Glass Door, alternatively, a piece of clear mylar (whatever size floats your boat) could be taped to one corner of the window, to which a 2-Bay Bowtie (or whatever) could be mounted.
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I have no idea if the patio glass is of the Low-E variant. I believe the community was built in the late 80's or early 90's. The patio was originally open access to the public lawn, and they screened in the patios maybe 10 years after the community was built. There are parts of the exterior wall which might be considered exclusive use due to restricted access within the patio, but I'd bet the exterior wall clause trumps that.

The 2-Bay Bowtie models I've stumbled across don't look like they'd mesh very well as an indoor unit unless you could hide it and still have the benefits. I'm leaning towards the Walltenna at the moment.

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Low-E Glass is slightly darker compared to no Glass...it's "tinted".

Since the owner is responsible for integrity and maintenance, ALL walls , including INTERIOR walls, are considered "Common" property that is NOT available for your "exclusive" use....indeed the OTHER side of that wall is NOT available for your "exclusive" use.

Your "exclusive use" zone is the GROUND in your unit's patio...and/or the BALCONY exclusively outside your unit.

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@ADTech . Clearly, common areas are out of bounds, but the rule also says the following about areas under the tenants's control:

"Restrictions necessary to prevent damage to leased property are permissible, as long as the restrictions are reasonable. For example, a lease restriction that forbids tenants from damaging the balcony floor when installing an antenna is likely to be permissible.



An association, landlord or local government may impose certain restrictions when safety is a concern or where a historic site is involved. An example of a permissible safety restriction would be requiring that an antenna is securely fastened down so that it will not be blown loose. Safety restrictions must be narrowly written so that they are no more burdensome than necessary to address a legitimate safety purpose.



If there is a conflict about a restriction’s validity, the association, landlord or local government trying to enforce the restriction must prove it is valid. This means that no matter who questions the validity of the restriction, the person or entity trying to enforce the restriction must prove that the rule is legitimate."
The important point here, is if the landlord lets the cable company drill the hole for cable/satellite installation, then preventing such a hole for a television antenna, would like fail the FCC test.
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The cable or satellite installers are going to be licensed and insured, therefore, building owners or managers are going to be far more likely to permit them to make the necessary holes as part of infrastructure building or upgrading. Since exterior walls are a common element , not under exclusive use, they fall exclusively under the control of the governing body, be it an owner, manager, association, or whatever.

I'll simply go back to my previous point I highlighted, that is, the rules specifically ALLOW restrictions against drilling holes through common walls. It would be a difficult challenge for the tenant to overcome something that's explicitly not protected and would be very easy for the rule to be defended since it's pretty much explicitly allowed. If you want to fight that battle, take it up with the FCC and Congress.

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@ADTech . I am surprised that you are so adamant that outdoor antennas cannot be installed on apartment balconies. Since you are in the antenna selling business, the FCC rules are your friend... and renters account for over 40% of the US population. That is a big market you may be missing out on.
Just so you are aware, I am a licensed TV (and satellite) antenna installer in the State of California. Generally, the cable companies have punched so many holes in walls that all I have to do is run RG-6 cable to an existing hole, and boom, I am in. I advise DIY installers of my patent-pending antenna to do the same.
The FCC rules are intended to protect rights, which is why a "reasonableness" standard is applied to restrictions... and the rules do not force the tenant to "overcome" the restrictions. The burden of proof that restrictions are legitimate is on the landlord, and tenants are protected through an FCC appeals process.
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I said nothing regarding installing antennas on balconies. I'm simply pointing out that OTARD does not protect a tenant's right to drill a hole through something they do not own nor possess the right to alter. Nothing more or less. Don't attempt to read anything more (or less) into it.

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@ADTech . Fair enough. This entire thread is about installing an antenna on a "patio" under jimmueller's control, and I may have misinterpreted your challenge to my original post about rights tenants have in such areas under the FCC rule.
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I installed the Walltenna on my non-sliding patio door and the picture is much more stable. Channel selection is the same as the exterior antenna.

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Can you provide measurements for your WallTenna???? Including the fol.
1) Bowtie Whisker Length (Tip to Apex of Triangle) and WIDTH,
2) Distance between the Apex of Upper and Lower Bowties,
3) Distance between Apex's for one of the Bowties (Left to Right, at Feedline),
4) Length of the Inner Feedline (from Balun to Center of the Antenna),
5) Separation between the Inner Feedlines (Center to Center),
6) Separation between the Inner and Outer Feedines (Center to Center).
It would also help if you had a photo with a Ruler in the same frame.

Thnx.....

Although I don't think YOU particularly NEED it to receive Ch11, it may be of benefit to others if I could do an Antenna Model to determine the Optimum size for a Hi-VHF Resonator Loop for the WallTenna, presumably adding Aluminized Mylar Tape (or Foil) on the Outside of the WallTenna.

Analysis for the M2 (9.5x9.0), M2 (10.0x9.5) and Re-Optimized 2-Bay (12.0 x 10.0) with a Hi-VHF Resonator Loop can be found here, showing how the Hi-VHF SWR can be greatly improved, as well as Hi-VHF Gain and even UHF Gain in some cases:
http://imageevent.com/holl_ands/loop...oopnoreflector

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