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If Comcast wants their customers to use those X1 boxes instead of Tivos and Apple TVs and Rokus, put some more UHD HDR content on their cable systems and for those boxes to play back.

Why would I play Netflix through the Comcast box instead of a Roku or whatever you own?
And fix the apps. I've tried using the Netflix and Amazon apps, and they will stop responding in the middle of a stream, or not even launch. I really wanted to just use my X1 box in the bedroom since the Xfinity remote has a light but my TV remote does not. However, the past few times I've tried to watch a show on Netflix, I've had problems and ended up going to the TV app.

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And fix the apps. I've tried using the Netflix and Amazon apps, and they will stop responding in the middle of a stream, or not even launch. I really wanted to just use my X1 box in the bedroom since the Xfinity remote has a light but my TV remote does not. However, the past few times I've tried to watch a show on Netflix, I've had problems and ended up going to the TV app.

I have had no problems using the Netflix X1 app. It could be a bad signal to your home or faulty wiring.
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I have had no problems using the Netflix X1 app. It could be a bad signal to your home or faulty wiring.
My X1 box takes a while to initialize Netflix or Amazon, but after that no problems.
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I usually use the Netflix app in my LG OLED tv. PaulGo’s post got me to check out Comcast’s Netflix app. I see it now has Dolby Digital Plus. It didn’t before. I compared the movie “The Great Hack”. LG app has it in Ultra 4K. Comcast don’t. Also the remote control commands were quicker using the LG.

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The incentive for Comcast to have you use their box is to collect data on you.

The other streaming boxes do the same.

You're already paying Comcast so why should you let them make more money off you.

They haven't been embroiled into the privacy debates that Apple, Google, Facebook, etc. and to a lesser extent, the TV manufacturers like Samsung and Vizio, which have been caught spying on you with their built-in apps.

So it's not just about the features of the set top box which you should consider but the privacy policies of the company selling or distributing these boxes.
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If you have the XG1v4 it should have the same capabilities of displaying 4K content as your TV. One advantage of using the X1 platform is the voice search feature of finding and playing Netflix content. I do agree it takes a bit of time in loading the Netflix app. On a TV and Blu-ray player when you use an app it keeps the app stored so it is ready for use. On the X1 platform if you haven't used the app recently it appears that it is downloaded and installed again. The only thing that is kept is the login credentials,
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What resolution would an X1 Comcast box deliver Netflix to my 1080p HDTV? Is it 1080p like my TV's Netflix App?

Right now, most all of my live and DVR'd Comcast content is delivered as 720p60 (except for some On-Demand which often arrives at 1080p).
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What resolution would an X1 Comcast box deliver Netflix to my 1080p HDTV? Is it 1080p like my TV's Netflix App?

Right now, most all of my live and DVR'd Comcast content is delivered as 720p60 (except for some On-Demand which often arrives at 1080p).

On all the X1 boxes I am aware of the customer sets the desired resolution. So for a 1080p TV the customer would set it at 1080p resolution and all content would be delivered at that resolution no matter what the original source resolution was.
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On all the X1 boxes I am aware of the customer sets the desired resolution. So for a 1080p TV the customer would set it at 1080p resolution and all content would be delivered at that resolution no matter what the original source resolution was.
So there is no Native Pass-Thru on X1 boxes? If so, I'll keep my Comcast Legacy boxes which offer that feature, and also support external local HDD expanders. Thanks
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I will say that when Comcast ran Watchathon week I sampled the Netflix show Altered Carbon and some other stuff. I view my tv shows on a projector on a 120 inch screen and I definitely noticed much more detail on the sampled Netflix shows compared to any and all channels from Comcast in my cable package. The increase in fine details was obvious. So maybe the X1 box app does receive and pass a 1080 Netflix signal.


I really hate the 720p signal Comcast delivers for its own pay tv. It should be a high crime to call 720p HD in 2019. In 2009? Yeah sure ok. But no way in hells is that acceptable in todays 4k environment. So sad
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I mean if you could use the Comcast account to stream shows instead of tune into Comcast channels, so HBO Go and Showtime Anytime instead of tuning into those channels, it might be worth it but if you stream a lot, you have to worry about the cap.

I did some trial streaming with a couple of services and all of a sudden, my data usage jumped from under 300 GB to over 800 GB.

And I wasn't even streaming that much, maybe a couple of hours a day.
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I really hate the 720p signal Comcast delivers for its own pay tv. It should be a high crime to call 720p HD in 2019. In 2009? Yeah sure ok. But no way in hells is that acceptable in todays 4k environment. So sad
Doesn't one network (Fox? ABC?) still deliver "HD" as 720p?
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Doesn't one network (Fox? ABC?) still deliver "HD" as 720p?
Correct ... Some like ABC, ESPN, Fox deliver their signals in 720p.

I still use a 32" Panny Viera 720p from 2006 in one room and noticed that once Comcast got things fully tweaked a year or so back when they went to 720p60 w/Mpeg4 for all the cable delivered HD channels (except for some On-Demand) that the old 32" Panny has the best looking PQ in the entire home since it does not have to do much processing with a 720p signal to get it right for its 768 native screen (when using Native Pass-Thru on the older Comcast legacy DVR). All the other larger newer 1080p HDTVs in the house do not look as good because my guess is that the 720p60 Mpeg4 signal has to be reprocessed to 1080p by either the 1080p HDTV or the cable box itself depending on one's output settings. I tried setting the Comcast legacy boxes to output 1080p for the larger HDTVs, but the older boxes do not scale up as well as letting the HDTVs do the upscaling to 1080p via Native Pass-Thru.

I wonder if the newer X1 boxes are better at scaling up from 720p to 1080p thus making their lack of Native Pass-Thru a moot point
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4K Ultra HD (UHD) and High Dynamic Range (HDR) on Xfinity TV
4K Ultra HD (UHD) and High Dynamic Range (HDR) on Xfinity TV

Want to know more about viewing 4K Ultra HD (UHD) and 4K UHD/HDR with your Xfinity TV subscription? Check out our helpful information below. Quick Links:

What is 4K UHD content?

4K UHD resolution is four times full HD, providing a clearer, more vivid picture. Current HDTV offers 1,920 pixels (tiny dots that make up the picture) across the width of the screen – the more pixels, the sharper the image. With 4K technology, the number of pixels across the picture is doubled to 3,840 (approximately four thousand or "4K"), and the vertical scanning lines are double as well, from 1080p to 2160p.

What is HDR (High Dynamic Range)?
"HDR" stands for High Dynamic Range and refers to color depth. HDR offers better contrast, greater brightness levels and a wider color palette. It's about making TV shows/movies look a bit more like real life.

Back to Top How To Get 4K UHD and 4K UHD/HDR with Xfinity

4K UHD and 4K UHD/HDR viewing is currently available to Xfinity X1 customers.

When your X1 TV Box is set up, it will automatically be set to the highest video output resolution possible for your TV, including 4K UHD. If you want to manually change your video resolution after setup, you can do so from the Settings menu. Also, if you choose to view On Demand content (for free or purchase) that's available in 4K, playback will automatically default to the appropriate 4K color depth based on your TV’s capabilities.

Xfinity On Demand: 4K UHD/HDR content (for free, rentals or purchase) is available if you have an XG1v4 or Xi6 TV Box set to 2160 resolution with a compatible 4K UHD/HDR TV. Please see more about using the X1 guide to adjust your video display to 2160p.

English Premier League Live Matches: We'll be airing select English Premier League games in 4K SDR on NBC Sports Network (NBCSN) and NBC.
  • Sunday, September 22, 2019 at 11:30 AM ET: Chelsea vs. Liverpool (NBC Sports Network) – 4K SDR
  • Monday, September 30, 2019 at 3:00 PM ET: Manchester United vs. Arsenal (NBC Sports Network) – 4K SDR
  • Sunday, October 6, 2019 at 11:00 AM ET: Newcastle United vs. Manchester United (NBC Sports Network) – 4K SDR
  • Sunday, October 19, 2019 at 12:30 PM ET: Manchester United vs. Liverpool (NBC) – 4K SDR
  • Saturday, October 27, 2019 at 12:30 PM ET: Liverpool vs. Tottenham Hotspur (NBC) – 4K SDR

To find these games, you can say “4K” into your Voice Remote, go to Sports in the X1 menu and then select Soccer on the guide, or go to the X1 Sports app and find them under the Soccer tab.

College Football Live Games: We'll be airing select College Football games in 4K HDR / 4K SDR on Fox Sports 1 (FS1) and NBC.
  • Saturday, September 21, 2019 at 12:00 PM ET: Monroe at Iowa State (FS1) – 4K SDR / 4K HDR
  • Saturday, September 28, 2019 at 12:00 PM ET: Kansas at TCU (FS1) – 4K SDR / 4K HDR
  • Saturday, September 28, 2019 at 3:30 PM ET: Virginia at Notre Dame (NBC) – 4K SDR / 4K HDR
  • Saturday, October 5, 2019 at 3:30 PM ET: Bowling Green at Notre Dame (NBC) – 4K SDR / 4K HDR
  • Saturday, October 12, 2019 at 7:30 PM ET: USC at Notre Dame (NBC) – 4K SDR / 4K HDR

To find these games, you can say “4K” into your Voice Remote, go to Sports in the X1 menu and then select NCAAF on the guide, or go to the X1 Sports app and find them under the NCAAF tab.

Netflix: 4K UHD and 4K UHD/HDR are available if you subscribe to the Netflix Premium plan and have an XG1v4 or Xi6 TV Box with a compatible 4K or 4K/HDR TV and/or AV receiver and/or soundbar. Learn more about watching Netflix programs on X1 or watching Netflix programs in 4K.

YouTube: 4K content on YouTube is available if you use the YouTube app on X1 and have an XG1v4 or Xi6 TV Box with a compatible 4K TV. Learn more about watching YouTube on X1.

Amazon Prime Video: 4K UHD and 4K UHD/HDR content is available if you use the Prime Video app on X1 and have an XG1v4 or Xi6 TV Box with a compatible 4K or 4K/HDR TV and/or AV receiver and/or soundbar. Learn more about watching Prime Video on X1.

Use your Voice Remote to say "4K", or search "4K" to access 4K viewing options.


https://www.xfinity.com/support/articles/uhd-4k-faqs

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Thanks for he helpful info about Xfinity 4K, but I'm still wondering about the actual transmitted resolution of the 4K programming? Is it also 720p60 Mpeg4 like Comcast's standard 1080p HD and then merely upscaled and output as 4K by the Comcast 4K capable boxes?
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Thanks for he helpful info about Xfinity 4K, but I'm still wondering about the actual transmitted resolution of the 4K programming? Is it also 720p60 Mpeg4 like Comcast's standard 1080p HD and then merely upscaled and output as 4K by the Comcast 4K capable boxes?
The Sept 26th NFL game will be a 1080p upconvert, so faux-4K. Not sure about any of the others.

Fox Sports To Launch Thursday Night Football In 4K With HDR
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Fox will produce the games in 1080p HD HDR, up-converting the production to 4K UHD HDR for viewers with 4K displays and down-converting to 720p for its HD broadcast audience, says Michael Davies, SVP Field & Technical Operations at Fox Sports.

(full article) https://www.tvtechnology.com/news/fo...T=671121947889
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Thanks @Keenan ... I really wonder what percentage (if not all) of the 4K UHD 3840x2180p content delivered by Comcast, Netflix, Amazon, etc is nothing more that up-converted 1080p these days?
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Thanks @Keenan ... I really wonder what percentage (if not all) of the 4K UHD 3840x2180p content delivered by Comcast, Netflix, Amazon, etc is nothing more that up-converted 1080p these days?
I don't know about Comcast, but Netflix has very strict rules about what content can be classified as 4K. I would guess that Amazon would have similar rules for their content as well.

Somewhere in the below Netflix content producer guide, it talks about how the content is classified and what equipment is to be used.

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I believe most 4K content Comcast carries is in 4K. It will be interesting to see what type of HDR will be used for live events. HDR10 as far as I know is not suitable for live broadcasts and most live HDR broadcasts are in the HLG form of HDR which some older sets cannot recognize.
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Thanks again @Keenan and @PaulGo ... Not surprised to hear about the high strict standards for Netflix and Amazon Prime (of which I have both at just 1080p, which still looks fine for my 67 year old eyes).

As for Comcast, I too am not that sure about their standards (of whom I've been a 20 year customer .... thus not too hopeful that they might have the same high standards 100% of the time), but hopefully someone else here on the Forum might know with more certainty as to their 4K UHD delivery policies and standards?

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I just saw that Thursday Night Football on Sep. 26 on Fox network will be shown in 4k HDR. The HDR will be HLG so your TV set and AVR must do HLG. The presentation will be 4K only on Comcast X1 boxes. It is also in 4K on Apple TV 4K and Roku boxes via the Fox sports app. Note that Fox states that the 4K will be upscaled from 1080p since they have existing video equipment for replays, etc. that currently only do 1080p. To my knowledge this is the first HDR/HLG live event shown via Comcast (I don’t have an X1 box so I could be mistaken). I know women’s World Cup soccer on Fox was 4k but it was not in HDR. HLG was selected since it was the easiest and most cost effective to create an SDR version for non-hdr viewers.

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I have had no problems using the Netflix X1 app. It could be a bad signal to your home or faulty wiring.
I don't buy that. How is it that only my X1 has an issue with Netflix? Xbox One, Xbox One X, two TVs - no issues. Comcast - issue. Haven't tried the Amazon app simply because I have had problems with the X1. Now, it could be a problem due to me using the X1 remote box, but I still say it's the X1 app. Because that same room uses wi-fi for the TV and Xbox One, and it has no Netflix App issues.

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I don't buy that. How is it that only my X1 has an issue with Netflix? Xbox One, Xbox One X, two TVs - no issues. Comcast - issue. Haven't tried the Amazon app simply because I have had problems with the X1. Now, it could be a problem due to me using the X1 remote box, but I still say it's the X1 app. Because that same room uses wi-fi for the TV and Xbox One, and it has no Netflix App issues.

The X1 box does not use your WiFi or cable modem. It has its own built in modem. To test this just disconnect you cable modem and you will see the internet apps still works.
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Anyone else have audio issues with the soccer 4K feed today? Picture was fine but all I could hear was static / white noise sound
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The X1 box does not use your WiFi or cable modem. It has its own built in modem. To test this just disconnect you cable modem and you will see the internet apps still works.
So the X1 box doesn't even connect to your own local network? That's different.
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@Keenan ... I believe after the first Coax 2-way cable splitter (TV and HSI) Comcast uses the cable TV side of things to feed programming and apps to their boxes including Netflix, etc. Alternatively, you can still use the HSI side of the system (from your internet modem) to feed your Smart TV apps Netflix, etc.
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A bit off topic but an interesting read on how to protect your TV privacy.


You watch TV. Your TV watches back.

In our latest privacy experiment, we tracked how four of the most popular TV brands record everything we watch

https://www.washingtonpost.com/techn...-watches-back/
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The ability to schedule a recording using Xfinity Stream is back!!!


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A bit off topic but an interesting read on how to protect your TV privacy.


You watch TV. Your TV watches back.

In our latest privacy experiment, we tracked how four of the most popular TV brands record everything we watch

https://www.washingtonpost.com/techn...-watches-back/
The X1 boxes probably spy too.
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@wco81 .... Thanks. I saw same link to the Washington Post over at the CNBC Business site and bookmarked it along with it's 4 other related privacy/spying articles from the same author. Good stuff, although not surprising. Sadly from personal experience, most (but not all) my younger descendants aged 13-35 believe strongly that it's a very good thing to share everything about themselves to forces both known and unknown.

I wonder if the 10 year old Comcast pre-X1 Legacy boxes have spying capabilities?

Anyway, at 67 I'm starting to get concerned that I might actually see the "full" fury of that brave new AI world a-coming down the tracks over the next few decades
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