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post #2101 of 2119 Old 01-30-2020, 11:44 AM - Thread Starter
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We'll be airing the following game in 4K UHD from FOX.
  • Sunday, February 2, 2020: San Francisco 49ers vs. Kansas City Chiefs. Coverage will begin at 1 PM ET with the FOX NFL KICKOFF SHOW and will continue through the game starting at 6:30 PM ET and post show.
Although the cameras are in 1080P and in HLG it will be up converted to 4K and HDR10.



Some 4K content from YouTube is in HDR. However using the XG1V4 and I assume the Xi6 it appears currently HDR on YouTube is not available with these boxes.



https://www.xfinity.com/support/articles/uhd-4k-faqs

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Although the cameras are in 1080P and in HLG it will be up converted to 4K and HDR10.

Some 4K content from YouTube in in HDR. However using the XG1V4 and I assume the Xi6 it appears currently HDR is not available with these boxes.

https://www.xfinity.com/support/articles/uhd-4k-faqs
***I am a satisfied Comcast customer and they have made great strides with their "Customer Service" and offerings. But I never upgraded our X1 Infinity STB to the 4K offering. Just no 4K/HDR content, IMHO, worth making the switch. I'll venture to say that my "OTA" Fox broadcast of the Super Bowl will be better than the 1080p (camera) content that is to be "upscaled" by Fox.

Quite frankly, my Sony 900F does a far better job of upscaling a 720p signal than Comcast's box. And most 4K that I see (streaming, as well) isn't as good as solid 1080p content "upscaled" by my Sony Extreme Processor and native OTA at 1080i, which is lights out.

Down the road, IMHO, EVERYTHING will be streamed via the internet. It's just a more efficient way to transmit and with higher frame rates (60fps) One of the current benefits of Comcast right now is streaming through an older 1080p TV as it doesn't count against your data consumption. I'm not sure if Comcast still limits you to 1 TB a month or not. But give me a quality, non compressed (as much as possible) 1080p signal all the time and I'd be a happy camper. Everything else is gravy.
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Super Bowl LIV in 4K on Xfinity X1

Xfinity will offer Super Bowl LIV in stunning 4K Ultra High Definition on Xfinity X1. X1 customers with a 4K TV, 4K enabled set-top box (XG1v4 or Xi6) and a 4K-capable HDMI cord can access Super Bowl LIV 4K coverage beginning at 1 p.m. ET on Sunday, including the pre and post-game shows and the halftime show. Plus, as an added bonus, customers can watch the Season 3 premiere of The Masked Singer in 4K UHD, which comes on immediately after the game. Want to access the game in 4K? Say “4K” into your Xfinity Voice Remote. To ensure your TV is set to 4K or the best available resolution, say “Device settings.”
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^ Shot in 1080 and upscaled. Meh.
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Although the cameras are in 1080P and in HLG it will be up converted to 4K and HDR10.



Some 4K content from YouTube in in HDR. However using the XG1V4 and I assume the Xi6 it appears currently HDR is not available with these boxes.



https://www.xfinity.com/support/articles/uhd-4k-faqs
Stupid question here. If the game is shot on 1080P cameras and upconverted to 4K, why is this any better than what my 4K TV already does with the HD cable signal?
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Stupid question here. If the game is shot on 1080P cameras and upconverted to 4K, why is this any better than what my 4K TV already does with the HD cable signal?

Broadcast TV for FOX is 720P (60FPS) and other networks use 1080i (which is 30FPS) 1080P is 60FPS which no broadcaster uses and gives a clearer picture especially for motion intensive sports. The only other benefit is HDR which in in theory will give you better color and increased brightness. Since the HDR10 is being converted from HLG on-the-fly it will be interesting to see how this will look on most HDR10 capable sets.



To directly answer your question if a 1080P HDR signal were available and your set did the upscaling would you notice a difference? It would depend on the chipset built into your set, If your set has a high end chipset such as built into high end Sony 4K TVs I doubt you would notice the difference.
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Broadcast TV for FOX is 720P (60FPS) and other networks use 1080i (which is 30FPS) 1080P is 60FPS which no broadcaster uses and gives a clearer picture especially for motion intensive sports. The only other benefit is HDR which in in theory will give you better color and increased brightness. Since the HDR10 is being converted from HLG on-the-fly it will be interesting to see how this will look on most HDR10 capable sets.



To directly answer your question if a 1080P HDR signal were available and your set did the upscaling would you notice a difference? It would depend on the chipset built into your set, If your set has a high end chipset such as built into high end Sony 4K TVs I doubt you would notice the difference.
Thanks. That makes sense. If the converters are equivalent, it's the garbage-in/garbage-out theory. A better quality input signal gives better quality output, even if the input is only 1080P.
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The cameras for the Super Bowl are 4K and 8K but:

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It turns out that not only is producing in 4K not technically feasible, but it would also be a bad idea.
“The basis of the decision between 1080p and 4K really has to do with resources available to do the production,” says Drazin, pointing out that the gear they use today loses 75% of its functionality when they move to 4K resolution.
“Say we have a video camera switcher that has 100 inputs. When we use that switcher in 4K, we only get 25 inputs. When we’re doing a football game that is somewhere north of 100 cameras, there’s no possible way we can do this in 4K.”
https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-t...hdr-broadcast/
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So the production chain hasn't kept up with the 4k and 8k cameras.

Maybe if better codecs like AV1 become available, there will be better infrastructure.

Another reason why its doubtful local stations will be broadcasting in 4K any time soon.
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And in terms of Comcast technology, why can't I set up my DVR to record the 4K version of the Super Bowl? Apologies to everyone who wants to watch all those commercials, but I'd like to just fast forward through them and just watch the game. But I'd like to do it with the higher-quality stream, even if recording it eats up 4x the space of a regular HD recording.
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The cameras for the Super Bowl are 4K and 8K but:

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They've been doing baseball and a few other sports in 4k, but maybe they have fewer cameras for that?
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I watched a bit of the "4K HDR10" pre Super Bowl on FOX Sports and quite frankly it was a disappointment. The quality did not seem any better than normal broadcast TV. I will reserve my final opinion when the Super Bowl is on in the evening.
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I watched a bit of the "4K HDR10" pre Super Bowl on FOX Sports and quite frankly it was a disappointment. The quality did not seem any better than normal broadcast TV. I will reserve my final opinion when the Super Bowl is on in the evening.

The video quality of the game was slightly better in terms of sharpness. I really did not see much of a difference with the addition of HDR10. The half time show was the exception where the HDR made a big impact. Where I live near Washington, DC the OTA and HD cable quality of the Fox Super Bowl is quite good.

From what I have read in another AVS forum the 4K HDR reviews of the Super Bowel were a mixed bag where some said it was great and some had opinions similar to mine. I guess it was also influenced comparing the 4K HDR to the local OTA and cable picture quality.
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I preferred my antenna over Comcast 4K.

Also, when switching between both, there was a big delay with Comcast.

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Amazon Prime picked up the FOX 4K Superbowl broadcast. I watched it on my FireTV Stick 4K and it was wonderful. It appeared to be true HDR10 and was light years beyond Comcast's broadcast feed.
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I'm trying watch BBC America's Seven worlds, One Planet in 4K HDR, but the picture is very dark. The HDR badge shows up on my TV, so I know it's receiving the HDR signal, it just doesn't look like HDR. I had the same issue with the Chicago Blackhawks game a couple weeks ago. All my other devices and built-in apps show HDR10 correctly, so I don't think it's an equipment settings issue. Is there a problem with HDR through the Xfinity XG1v4 box?
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I'm trying watch BBC America's Seven worlds, One Planet in 4K HDR, but the picture is very dark. The HDR badge shows up on my TV, so I know it's receiving the HDR signal, it just doesn't look like HDR. I had the same issue with the Chicago Blackhawks game a couple weeks ago. All my other devices and built-in apps show HDR10 correctly, so I don't think it's an equipment settings issue. Is there a problem with HDR through the Xfinity XG1v4 box?

I don't see this show listed as 4K on my XG1v4 when I say 4K. If I just say the BBC title it just comes up as HD. The only 4K and perhaps HDR content that is available is when you say 4K.
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I don't see this show listed as 4K on my XG1v4 when I say 4K. If I just say the BBC title it just comes up as HD. The only 4K and perhaps HDR content that is available is when you say 4K.
It was on all afternoon/evening yesterday when I said "4K" into my remote. The HDR badge popped up on my TV.
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