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Has anyone seen any small screen portables yet?

Well not per se portable, but my local Walmart has a 13inch Magnavox SDTV/DVD combo for $99, also a 20inch SDTV for $88.

Post here if you see more smaller or even truly portable.
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Has anyone seen any small screen portables yet?

Nope,just done some searching and nada.

Huge market with no product....something is definitely wrong with this picture.The CE's have had since 1998 to build these,but nothing yet.
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I think they want us to use our mobile phones to watch TV.
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I googled on
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portable lcd tvs
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and got lots of hits.
What size are you looking for?
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I googled on
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and got lots of hits.
What size are you looking for?

But probably none of those have a digital tuner.
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It requires stations uses A-VSB, but it is backward compatible with 8-VSB. They said at the earliest stations would use it is in 2008

https://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post9519799
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Those DVB-T units are not for US. TV on a cell phone is crap. Lets keep our eyes out for small screen and Portable ATSC DTVs.
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OK, lets be specific - people are looking for FREE OTA ATSC tuner equipped portable (less than 10lbs) battery powered TVs available in the US from US vendors.
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Maybe I should be clear. Im interested in anything 13inch or smaller. The sets that would demonstrate manufacturers are finally coming around to DTV.

Im also curious about a small portable TV the raise-an-antenna-turn-it-on-watch-perfectly-clear-atsc-dtv-broadcasts. The kind perfect for taking to the NASCAR event, or sporting event, or for emergencies when power is out or for the just plain Im too addicted to TV to go on a picnic without my DTV.

I know there are plenty of DVB units for europe and asia available but know one seems to have shipped them over to the states yet that Ive seen. And I'm sure like you we dont want some garbage we have to pay for.
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Anyone with powerful enough laptop with typical 1280x800 widescreen display can easily have portable HDTV for under 10 lbs total, by using a USB ATSC tuner the size of a USB memory stick. The one I got came with magnet mount stick antenna. I don't know its range, but it worked fine inside a hotel while visiting Detroit suburbs. I am using it with a relatively inexpensive laptop (under $1000) that I think is T5500 1.66 MHz dual-core 1 gb.

The laptop does a fine job up converting DVD to its display or 1366x768 VGA to external LCD too. So I personally would not be in the market for a smaller dedicated TV/DVD player.

Anything with a lower resolution screen than 720p would be pointless for HDTV, although digital SD can have a better image than NTSC broadcast.
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I made my follow-up visit to Best Buy and Walmart. Best Buy's 13-19" TV shelves are are now virtually BARE. They had one demo, discounted 13"/DVD combo, and one open box 19" and one new-in box of the same unit. The fact that these shelves are bare means that, in a day or two, they have already scheduled filling them with something. Walmart, on the other hand, has replenished its boxed, floor inventory of its last couple of 13" and 19" models

The product I am after are CRT 13"countertop TVs for the kitchen, and 19" TVs for the office or bedroom. The products to which kcambi has furnished links are all LCD DVD/TV combos priced in the $300 to $600 range. I have no idea how the market size for these portable multifunction entertainment stations compares to that of the functional vanilla TVs, but I am sure that there is very little overlap.

I noticed in the specs that I read for those portable products that they typically could get two to two and a half hour of play from a charged battery when used in TV mode, whereas they ran over three times that long when used in less power intensive DVD mode. Does anyone have any idea how the current draw of an ATSI processor might compare to that of whatever these digital tuner/decoders are using? The battery charge duration is expected to be the achilles heel of any portable U.S. ATSC equipped TVs.

In countries that have made the transition, how much does it cost to buy a 13" or 19" TV with a digital tuner, compared top how much did it cost to buy comparable 13" and 19" analog TVs through the same distribution channels? That's what I'd like to know.
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Anyone with powerful enough laptop with typical 1280x800 widescreen display can easily have portable HDTV for under 10 lbs total, by using a USB ATSC tuner the size of a USB memory stick. The one I got came with magnet mount stick antenna. I don't know its range, but it worked fine inside a hotel while visiting Detroit suburbs. I am using it with a relatively inexpensive laptop (under $1000) that I think is T5500 1.66 MHz dual-core 1 gb..

I have a Fusion USB Gold outboard HDTV tuner for my comparable laptop. The two problems I incur are, 1) it takes it nearly 10 minutes to boot up from a cold start, making it useless when I drop into MacDonald's for lunch, and, 2) the battery running time is only about half an hour.
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Anyone with powerful enough laptop with typical 1280x800 widescreen display can easily have portable HDTV for under 10 lbs total, by using a USB ATSC tuner the size of a USB memory stick. The one I got came with magnet mount stick antenna. I don't know its range, but it worked fine inside a hotel while visiting Detroit suburbs. I am using it with a relatively inexpensive laptop (under $1000) that I think is T5500 1.66 MHz dual-core 1 gb.
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That's all well and good and true, but most folk want to turn on a TV, not boot it up. That laptop answer will result in working, checking, email, etc. There's a market for that, but not the omly market.
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I have a Fusion USB Gold outboard HDTV tuner for my comparable laptop. The two problems I incur are, 1) it takes it nearly 10 minutes to boot up from a cold start, aking it useless when I drop into MacDonald's for lunch, and, 2) the battery running time is only about half an hour.

I'm not sure that being able to watch your personal TV in McDonalds constitutes a large market. If it did, I would have expected to see more portable DVD players in McD's.
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TV imported before 1 March may be sold as is. But if non-ATSC sets are disappearing, Walmart will replace them with something. Only time will tell if the replacements are 13" TV sets.
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I'm not sure that being able to watch your personal TV in McDonalds constitutes a large market. If it did, I would have expected to see more portable DVD players in McD's.

But you do see people in retaurants using their laptops for internet access, and those users would like to be able to have a TV news channel open in a corner window.
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Noticed this TV on the Samsung website.Not a cheap portable I'm sure,but smaller than 25".

http://www.samsung.com/Products/TV/L...Specifications
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Noticed this TV on the Samsung website.Not a cheap portable I'm sure,but smaller than 25".

http://www.samsung.com/Products/TV/L...Specifications

"Coming soon, to a theater near you!"

Will be available in March. List price, $529. 19", 110-120v AC.
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It seems those shirt-pocket-size PDAs, cell phones, and iPods qualify as the smallest digital TVs. Not, AFAIK, using ATSC reception, though. -- John
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It seems those shirt-pocket-size PDAs, cell phones, and iPods qualify as the smallest digital TVs. Not, AFAIK, using ATSC reception, though. -- John

Those don't count - their main function is not as a TV.

I should have added one more specific - affordable, meaning roughly the same price as current analog units.
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Has anyone seen any small screen portables yet?

Well not per se portable, but my local Walmart has a 13inch Magnavox SDTV/DVD combo for $99, also a 20inch SDTV for $88.

Post here if you see more smaller or even truly portable.

The 20" SD set may be something I may be interested in.Although i would prefer an ATSC/QAM tuner, just ATSC would be sufficient. I ALREADY have an HD monitor in the den (and YES I DO have an HD box)
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http://www.**************.com/photos/27056.html

Here they come!

You've been zapped! Is the URL that of a forbidden dealer?
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You've been zapped! Is the URL that of a forbidden dealer?

Apparently so.Well,it is their forum,their football.

Anyway it's a Tosh...14" Flat Tube w/atsc/ntsc/qam tuner w/dvd player...MD14H63...<199.
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I'm seing most of the Googled listings for that product at $163 to $165 but none shipping. That means we should see a comparable DVD-less TV of that size for about $140.

Update: found it promised at $157
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Okay. . PDAs and cell phones don't count. Here's a wristwatch LCD TV , then, with a bunch of other small models. Again, that's NTSC, not ATSC. -- John
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... Tosh...14" Flat Tube w/atsc/ntsc/qam tuner w/dvd player...MD14H63...

Some of the dealer web pages for that product have since been changed from, "out of stock" to, "product no longer available".
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Some of the dealer web pages for that product have since been changed from, "out of stock" to, "product no longer available".

I went to the local Walmart yesterday and checked to see if they had anything new.Saw 4 bin tags for under 20" tv's that stated analog/digital tuning.Read what was on the boxes and didn't see anything so I ripped all the boxes open,read the manuals and still no reference to atsc tuning.Cruel joke,I guess.

Searched some more on the net this evening,nada,nothing.
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Yeah. "Digital tuning" can simply mean that it doesn't have knobs.
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Ok,to be more specific,the info tag reads"Includes current Analog/Digital Tuners".The same identical nomenclature used for the larger 26" and up sets.Clearly misleading and mislabled.
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Best Buy now has 20", Dynex DX-R20TV, "round tube" TVs with NTSC and ATSC tuners for $129.95, but I can't use one for my test TV because it weighs way too much.

One other concern I have about it is that its set-up menu is very primitive, with just an auto-search option but no visible provision for selecting analog cable but broadcast digital signal sources, which is what a lot of peole are going to want for their inputs.

So the good new is that, unless this set is priced at $129.95 just because its tuner is inconvenient, then the 13" ATSC TVs should cost a little less.

Now, here's a hoot about Best Buy's HDTV demo channel. This TV was connected to an in house signal source that furnished analog 4.0, and digital 61,1 and 63.1 63.1 was a real, low energy left right comparison of nature scenes in which the left side was in HDTV and ther right side was in standard definition, and the left side pictures always looked better.

But, wait a minute! This is a standard definition TV! How can the left side of the picture look better than ther right side, since they both should be identical 480i? The answer is, the colors had been set to truer levels on the left side of each picture, whereas the STD side colors were set deliberately drab. In otherwords, if someone selected the HDTV test channel on this standard definition TV, it proved that the HDTV test channel was a sham.
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