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post #151 of 1591 Old 08-12-2008, 10:51 AM
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okay - so i'll go with an E8500 processor then.. thanks

can anyone spot which of these cases would be suitable?

http://www.mini-itx.com/store/?c=3#2688
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Did anyone check what kind of audio comes out from hdmi port ?

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I think E8600 is simply too new to be in the support list. It is the more power efficient E0-stepping. E8500 was found to consume 7W less in the new E0-stepping. So I think E8600 should be about the same power than previous stepping E8500. I haven't seen E8200 - E8500 in the new stepping in retail though.
I don't know, the board should be able to support at least Q9300 electrically. Maybe Intel thinks "no quads" is an easy message to tell or they are afraid of people frying the boards in droves by overclocking the thing. [email protected] will surely kill the board, while [email protected] might not. So dual core limitation is good jack ass protection.
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I ordered mine on the weekend from mini-box. Should be getting it tomorrow. I'm not getting the proc until Friday/Monday though :/

Can anyone with the board get some shots of the bios settings?
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Just read at expreview.com, E0-stepping is not supported by this board.
Is it true? Will it be fixed with a new BIOS?
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Hopefully it will be supported, although judging by the release time and the new procs already being available, probably not.

expreview doesn't have any shots of the Bios settings. I'm curious if overclocking/undervolting is supported.
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I was thinking of using the APEX MI-100. One of the reviewers (on newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811154084) said it would not work with this mobo (I wonder if it's because of the 3.5 drive slot?). Any suggestions on a mini-itx case with PSU that would work for under $75.

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- the fastest mobile core2duo just isn't fast enough for me

Have you looked for some of the new laptops using the Core2 Extreme x9100 mobile processor? It's 3.06 GHz with a 1066 MHz FSB and 6MB L2 cache. I'm pretty sure there are some notebooks already available with it.
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Hi Dee$,

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I was thinking of using the APEX MI-100.

Does this case fit a full height 5.25" ODD, or does it only take a slim ODD?

Maybe the problem this case has with DG45FC is that the power supply appears to be exactly where the CPU HSF would fit, and there is not enough space? Also, the case does not have a fan, and one reviewer said the HDD blocks the chassis holes. Finally, several reviewers wrote that the USB door cover was damaged and flimsy.

All in all does not sound like a glowing review.

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Regrettably, it appears most of these mini-itx cases are meant for lower powered VIA cpu's. In order to get any kind of height for the heatsink or space for breathing room and a fan, you're already at the size of a micro-atx case. 'Might as well as get the micro-atx board too.
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If anyone comes up with a silver bullet to the case problem, let us know.
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@rogerta - i believe it does fit a 5.25" ODD. I was going to get the blu-ray/HDDVD player by LG for my setup.

I heard the video card on the micro-ATX board is not the same as the one on the mini-itx (it's a GMA X4500 not the GMA X4500HD). I wonder if the low profile HSF that come with the 45nm C2D will still be too big for mini-itx boards?

I guess to be safe I could get a micro-atx board but that would defeat the purpose of the board being mini. If any one finds a slim one that works I would appreciate a link
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No, both have the X4500HD.

http://www.intel.com/products/deskto...C-overview.htm

http://www.intel.com/products/deskto...D-overview.htm

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I guess I'll just have to wait for that silver bullet..or get a good slimline microATX case and mobo. Time to reconfigure my specs...
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I was thinking of using the APEX MI-100. One of the reviewers (on newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811154084) said it would not work with this mobo (I wonder if it's because of the 3.5 drive slot?). Any suggestions on a mini-itx case with PSU that would work for under $75.

Thanks

That was my review on newegg. Sorry it wasn't clear enough.
The case takes a regular size cd / dvd drive. The reason i returned it is because there is no place to mount a chassis fan to cool the core2duo proc.
I think this case is good only for an atom proc.

I am thinking of going with this one now (I know it is not under $75)
IN WIN BM639 Black / Silver Steel Mini-ITX Tower Computer Case 120W Power Supply - Retail
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Just ordered one of these with an E7200.. Hoping the repeater issue gets worked out soon!
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Hey what memory are you guys ordering with this board? Is there any chance OC will be an option? or do I have to look at OEM boards if thats what I want to do?
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From what I understand, this BIOS is not overclocking friendly.

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it appears most of these mini-itx cases are meant for lower powered VIA cpu's

This is pretty much the same conclusion I've reached. But I would love to be proven wrong.

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I am thinking of going with ... IN WIN BM639

This seems like a nice case. I think I might prefer the BM648 since it has a door to hide the USB/audio connectors. Structurally, it seems to be identical to the BM639. Whizamit: while this case has an 80mm case fan, do you think a stock intel HSF will fit with a full height ODD in place? If not, what about a slim ODD?

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Are there slim SATA optical disk drives?
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Okay, folks. Evidently the folks at Intel are taking this pretty seriously. I suspect they are very pleased that G45 got the reception it did and want to make it a bit more on the perfect side.

So here goes... for those of you with the G45 and Blu-ray software who have experienced/are experiencing the repeater mode issue and/or the 24p issue, can you provide me:

1) the disk you played
2) the build of PowerDVD and/or Arcsoft you are using... I don't know how to access the Arcsoft build number, but I'm pretty sure PowerDVD is buried somewhere kinda weird in "About"... maybe someone could chime in on this one?
3) the version/build of the Intel graphics drivers you are using
4) the version of the BIOS you are using
5) your hardware configuration (AV receiver and television model numbers

I know the answer to each of the above is probably "any" and "all", but humor me: provide specifics for me to pass on. If the 24p issue is truly every 15 seconds or so (which I believe), a particular scene will not be necessary, but if there are any scenes which make it particularly obvious (do slow pans show it better?) that would be a nice addition.

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hello,

sorry if these question have been ans. before.

can i built a mini pc using this Intel G45 DG45FC mainboard for smooth 1080p mkv playback ??

Thanks alot
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Are there slim SATA optical disk drives?

They are hard to find and very expensive. If you want a slim BD drive they're better value.
I got an IDE to SATA adapter, but don't know if it works yet.
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Yes, BC-5500S (DVD writer + BD-ROM) or AD-7590S (regular DVD writer)
I had to order my SATA cable from Hong Kong, as it is a special Slimline SATA.
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Hi all,

Many folks on this thread, including myself, are looking for a mini-ITX case that can fit this MB and also provide adequate cooling. With that in mind, I wanted to get more information about HSFs. For the stock Intel HSF, Intel recommends at least 81.3mm (3.2in) of space between the MB surface and anything above that could prevent air flow, what Intel calls the Boxed Processor Fan Heatsink Airspace Keepout Requirements. You can see this in figure 27 of section 7.4.1, Boxed Processor Cooling Requirements, on page 98 of this document:

http://download.intel.com/design/pro...hts/318732.pdf

Some cases put the ODD directly above the MB. This means that the case height, minus the height of the ODD, minus the height of the MB above the bottom of the case, must be at least 81.3mm. For example, the LG GGC-H20L ODD is 41.3mm high. If the MB is 10mm above the bottom, the *internal* case height must be at least 10+81.3+41.3=132.6mm (5.2in). Since the ODD is unlikely to fit flush with the top of the case, adding an extra fudge factor means a minimum *internal* case height of ~140mm/~5.5in or so.

So this definitely rules out cases like the APEX MI series (5.1"), APEX MW serives (2.8"), or the in-win BM series (112mm) for a configuration with an ODD (even if we assume these are *internal* heights, which I suspect they are not). However, if a smaller HSF has the same "cooling" ability as the stock Intel HSF, then these cases might work.

Other cases put the ODD next to the MB. This means the *internal* case height, minus the height of the MB above the bottom of the case, must be at least 81.3mm. For example, the Silverstone LC05 (55mm), LC09 (55mm), and LC19 (68mm) are like this. Again none of these cases would work unless you can get a smaller HSF with the same "cooling" ability as the stock Intel HSF.

All the above assumes that the case can maintain an ambient temperature of 38c or below inside the case, using its own cooling system or whatever.

If anyone thinks these calculations are incorrect, please let me know.

I have not yet found "Airspace Keepout Requirements" for other HSFs. I will keep looking and post anything I find here.

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Rogerta,

I also spent lots of time looking for a case for this motherboard. One thing that you may not have considered is that the Silverstone LC05 has a vent in the top of the case; if it is situated directly above the HSF (I don't know if it would be), then the case itself will have a smaller effect on airflow and the 81.3mm may not be necessary.
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Hi all,

Many folks on this thread, including myself, are looking for a mini-ITX case that can fit this MB and also provide adequate cooling. With that in mind, I wanted to get more information about HSFs. For the stock Intel HSF, Intel recommends at least 81.3mm (3.2in) of space between the MB surface and anything above that could prevent air flow, what Intel calls the Boxed Processor Fan Heatsink Airspace Keepout Requirements. You can see this in figure 27 of section 7.4.1, Boxed Processor Cooling Requirements, on page 98 of this document:

http://download.intel.com/design/pro...hts/318732.pdf

Some cases put the ODD directly above the MB. This means that the case height, minus the height of the ODD, minus the height of the MB above the bottom of the case, must be at least 81.3mm. For example, the LG GGC-H20L ODD is 41.3mm high. If the MB is 10mm above the bottom, the *internal* case height must be at least 10+81.3+41.3=132.6mm (5.2in). Since the ODD is unlikely to fit flush with the top of the case, adding an extra fudge factor means a minimum *internal* case height of ~140mm/~5.5in or so.

So this definitely rules out cases like the APEX MI series (5.1"), APEX MW serives (2.8"), or the in-win BM series (112mm) for a configuration with an ODD (even if we assume these are *internal* heights, which I suspect they are not). However, if a smaller HSF has the same "cooling" ability as the stock Intel HSF, then these cases might work.

Other cases put the ODD next to the MB. This means the *internal* case height, minus the height of the MB above the bottom of the case, must be at least 81.3mm. For example, the Silverstone LC05 (55mm), LC09 (55mm), and LC19 (68mm) are like this. Again none of these cases would work unless you can get a smaller HSF with the same "cooling" ability as the stock Intel HSF.

All the above assumes that the case can maintain an ambient temperature of 38c or below inside the case, using its own cooling system or whatever.

If anyone thinks these calculations are incorrect, please let me know.

I have not yet found "Airspace Keepout Requirements" for other HSFs. I will keep looking and post anything I find here.

Same story here - leads me to considering liquid cooling. The HS blocks are very small, and with something like an e7200 cpu, you could get away with one of the smaller radiators I believe... would be my first foray into the world of liquids in a pc, but since I'm 'rolling my own' enclosure, seems appropriate.
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I'm going to use the Procase Noah (sold in the US as iStarUSA S3) and I'm not worried about heat at all. Maybe if I went for an E8500 I would, but I expect E7200 to be fine. It has little headroom above the CPU socket, but a 8cm case fan blowing sideways over the CPU, pushing the hot air through the vents on the other side. This case is known to work with AM2-boards. Don't see why the DG45FC wouldn't.

Now I wonder if using a PCIe tuner card wouldn't cause heat issues after all.
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The InWin BM639 could work with the low power processor if one could build or find a low profile heatsink. Take the stock fan off of the stock cooler and bolt a copper heat 'pipe' going out. I plan on going this route, and perhaps machine something with fins next to the case exhaust fan.
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Can any owners confirm that you can undervolt this via RMClock? I'm not as worried as overclock as I am about undervolting this motherboard (via hardware BIOS or software).
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Evidently the folks at Intel are taking this pretty seriously.

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the standard COPP protocols that all of these players use do not support the use of repeaters (even though our competition appears to be ignoring these strictures), and the software players don't yet use OPM (which does support repeaters). This is all very well and good, and we're probably in the right on this regarding supporting the spec: but the end user doesn't see this. They see our competition's graphics working flawlessly with their software player on their shiny new Onkyo or Yamaha receiver, and Intel's failing.

The successful 7.1 LPCM tests I mentioned above were done using gray-market AACS-stripping software. Still broken.

Are the COPP protocols in the drivers? AMD(ATI) and Nvidia are basically cheating with their drivers running out-of-spec?

And what scenario is he speaking of with 7.1 LPCM?
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