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post #1231 of 2223 Old 05-12-2011, 12:17 AM
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Have you tried DEL?

Yup, tried it as well...not that I need to get into the bios, but it's still a funny issue. I probably should have just left the boot options in the bios alone since it was already booting very quickly.

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On a very similar setup (still on the way) i ordered Premium picoPSU-150-XT/12.5A 150W AC-DC (just the 150W brick as the 120 has a fan) mostly out of the review of missingremote used that, and comes with 24pin n 4pin cpu so i figure was a simpler way to go, but seeing your setup is working great, im kinda wondering if Premium picoPSU-80/6.6A 80W AC-DC + 4-Pin P4 Mini Power Cable might be more efficient with how low the 2100T idles, even at load im expecting 60W max.

Yeah, I have that same 80W ac-dc adapter as well. The 4-pin mini power cable was too short though, so I bought a regular molex to p4. Works well with no issues. In terms of efficency, I doubt it's anything significant.
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On another note...the system boots so quickly that I can't even get into bios no matter how fast I press F2. Probably going to try disconnecting the boot ssd.

Start pressing/releasing F2 every 1/2 second after turning it on.
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What do you guys recommend as the best DVR Card to install in your Sandy Bridge HTPC? I'm looking for something that would allow me to record shows from my Comcast Cable in HD Quality (Including 5.1 Audio).

So far I have been looking at the Hauppauge Colossus H.264 Video Recorder PCI Express 1x card [LINK]. Just want to make sure there isn't something else better out there.

I do need the ability to schedule recordings (via software) for upcoming shows. I believe the Colossus is able to switch the station to the necessary station to record the show.

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What do you guys recommend as the best DVR Card to install in your Sandy Bridge HTPC? I'm looking for something that would allow me to record shows from my Comcast Cable in HD Quality (Including 5.1 Audio).

So far I have been looking at the Hauppauge Colossus H.264 Video Recorder PCI Express 1x card [LINK]. Just want to make sure there isn't something else better out there.

I do need the ability to schedule recordings (via software) for upcoming shows. I believe the Colossus is able to switch the station to the necessary station to record the show.

Thanks.

Hi mickey79,

Beside what you suggested, I and most people also using Centon, see below, to watch, record and DVR the TV content from cable provider like Comcast. I have been using few weeks now and beside little bit of trial and errors and tweaking to make it to work, I am please with this product and result.

http://www.cetoncorp.com/

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Hi mickey79,

Beside what you suggested, I and most people also using Centon, see below, to watch, record and DVR the TV content from cable provider like Comcast. I have been using few weeks now and beside little bit of trial and errors and tweaking to make it to work, I am please with this product and result.

http://www.cetoncorp.com/

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Hey hlkc,

It looks like a pretty neat piece of equipment - but unfortunately it's more then double the cost of the Hauppage Colossus; that being the case I would prefer the Colossus card.

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Hey hlkc,

It looks like a pretty neat piece of equipment - but unfortunately it's more then double the cost of the Hauppage Colossus; that being the case I would prefer the Colossus card.

Thanks!!

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No problem. If I may I like to point out few differences to you. First, Ceton is doing everything natively, hints no HDMI in, component cable out and control the DVR using IR blaster. Second, we can record pay channel contents like CNN, HBO, SHW... into our HDDs. Third, we can share up to 3 tunners using Ceton with other extenders/HTPCs in our house, hints we don't need other tuners in the extender/HTPC to record and watch live TV anymore. Last, we don't need to pay $15 per DVR per month per location, I am saving $30 right there per month. To sum up, it is easily justify the $200 different between 2 products therefore I did not go to that route and end up using Ceton InfiniTV4 today.
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No problem. If I may I like to point out few differences to you. First, Ceton is doing everything natively, hints no HDMI in, component cable out and control the DVR using IR blaster. Second, we can record pay channel contents like CNN, HBO, SHW... into our HDDs. Third, we can share up to 3 tunners using Ceton to any other extenders/HTPCs in our house, hints we don't need other tuners in the extender/HTPC to record and watch live TV. Last, we don't need to pay $15 for DVR per month per location, I am saving $30 right there per month. To sum up, it is easily make up the $200 different between 2 products therefore I did not go to that route and end up using Ceton InfiniTV4 today!

Definitely some big advantages there, undoubtedly. I think for what I'm looking for - the Hauppage Colossus would suffice. There's only a few shows that I will probably need to record here & there; and only need it on one TV. It's just me & my wife and this is more of a startup DVR card - for the most part we don't have a very high-end need for a DVR.

Your setup definitely sounds awesome.

Can't wait to get my Z68/i3-2105 setup all ordered & ready to build.

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Definitely some big advantages there, undoubtedly. I think for what I'm looking for - the Hauppage Colossus would suffice. There's only a few shows that I will probably need to record here & there; and only need it on one TV. It's just me & my wife and this is more of a startup DVR card - for the most part we don't have a very high-end need for a DVR.

Your setup definitely sounds awesome.

Can't wait to get my Z68/i3-2105 setup all ordered & ready to build.

There was a rumor that they will have some models soon such as external box set up like Colossus, USB and few and more tuners PCI version soon. If you are not in any hurry, I would suggest you to hold on for the least expensive USB version.
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There was a rumor that they will have some models soon such as external box set up like Colossus, USB and few and more tuners PCI version soon. If you are not in any hurry, I would suggest you to hold on for the least expensive USB version.

I can hold off a little on the DVR - I'll keep an eye on Ceton! Thanks!!

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Can't wait to get my Z68/i3-2105 setup all ordered & ready to build.

Just curious why you are waiting for the 2105? I don't think it will really offer that much more for general HTPC usage.
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I can hold off a little on the DVR - I'll keep an eye on Ceton! Thanks!!

http://www.silicondust.com/ is another product you might want to keep an eye on it and it is compatible with Ceton IMO.
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Just curious why you are waiting for the 2105? I don't think it will really offer that much more for general HTPC usage.

HD3000. I've read too many articles/posts suggesting HD3000 is definitely a better chip for Blu-ray 3D playback then HD2000. You have to keep in mind - I own a Dune Smart D1 which is an excellent out-of-the-box media player; it can virtually play absolutely anything, brilliantly flawless, that I throw at it - EXCEPT - full Blu-ray 3D. This was unknown to me at the time I bought the device. Soon thereafter I learned that the first full Blu-ray 3D supporting media players wouldn't roll out till Q1 2012.

A major, I would say 90%, of the reason that I'm building my HTPC is because of full Blu-ray 3D playback. I can do most everything else on the Dune. So it does kinda make sense to go for the chip that has a somewhat better Blu-ray 3D playback support.

To be fair - it were another 3 months before it's release, I wouldn't have waited that long. But it doesn't make sense for me to drop the ball on it 20 days shy of it's release. I think it's worth the wait. (Actually it's only 10 days to it's release AFAIK)

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Just curious why you are waiting for the 2105? I don't think it will really offer that much more for general HTPC usage.

I know why I'm waiting. No, I can't tell you exactly what benefit the improvement from HD2000 to HD3000 graphics will deliver today in actual practice in the context of my current contemplated needs, but it is unquestionably a stronger graphics processer and the extra $15 dollars or so is pretty insignificant in the overall cost of my planned HTPC, so it seems like a obvious choice to me to wait. I wouldn't wait 6 months, and I wouldn't pay $100 more, but 2 weeks and less than $20 seems like a no-brainer to me.
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I wouldn't wait 6 months, and I wouldn't pay $100 more, but 2 weeks and less than $20 seems like a no-brainer to me.

That is exactly why!!! +2

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That is exactly why!!! +2

The reason I ask is because this has been discussed recently.

https://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1#post20389981
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HD3000. I've read too many articles/posts suggesting HD3000 is definitely a better chip for Blu-ray 3D playback then HD2000.

Having tested both, I see no difference in the 3D (or media experience in general) b/w the HD3000 and HD2000.
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Having tested both, I see no difference in the 3D (or media experience in general) b/w the HD3000 and HD2000.

Ok, but if the 2100 and 2105 were both sitting on the store shelf in front of you and the price difference was $17, would you pick the 2100?

Is there a downside other than $17 of picking the 2105?
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Ok, but if the 2100 and 2105 were both sitting on the store shelf in front of you and the price difference was $17, would you pick the 2100?

Is there a downside other than $17 of picking the 2105?

I guess it just depends what $17 is worth to you.
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The reason I ask is because this has been discussed recently.

https://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1#post20389981

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Having tested both, I see no difference in the 3D (or media experience in general) b/w the HD3000 and HD2000.

And that may very rightly be; I have personally not tested either - so whatever I know of is really just articles, posts - things read here & there.

But as Zon2020 pointed out - neither would I have waited 3 months for HD3000, nor spent even $50 extra on it. But for $10 & 2 weeks - it really doesn't make sense not to. I can't speak for everyone but at least in my case - I had to start my build in the month of May. Once I found out that i3-2105 was releasing on may 22nd ... it was a matter of a couple of weeks. And I was going to get i3-2100 which retails for $124. With i3-2105 expected to retail for $134 ... the $10 is really insignificant. I have no personal trumpets to blow about HD3000 for it really may not be any different then HD2000 - it was simply a matter of timing/cost for me.

It's kinda like the Z68 factor. I don't really need the Z68. Niether am I overclocking my CPU right now - nor using an SSD in my build. I can easily get the H67. But since there's no cost difference and it's out right now while I'm assembling components for my build - why not?

Now I do have a question ...

Is it Ok to use an i3-2105 CPU with a Z68 motherboard or do you have to use a "K" processor with Z68?? I got confused after reading a post in one of the threads here. I was planning to get a Z68 for my 2105 since there was no cost difference between the H67 & Z68.

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On a very similar setup (still on the way) i ordered Premium picoPSU-150-XT/12.5A 150W AC-DC (just the 150W brick as the 120 has a fan) mostly out of the review of missingremote used that, and comes with 24pin n 4pin cpu so i figure was a simpler way to go, but seeing your setup is working great, im kinda wondering if Premium picoPSU-80/6.6A 80W AC-DC + 4-Pin P4 Mini Power Cable might be more efficient with how low the 2100T idles, even at load im expecting 60W max.
I have the picoPSU 120-WI-32 with a 19V 6.3A AC adapter. I made that choice based on this review at JohnnyGURU.com: http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php...tory5&reid=207.

What kind of case are you going to be building this HTPC in?

 

 

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May I "try" to put all this together

Q: Whether or not you need the i3 2105?

A1) If you have H67 and i3 2100 in your possession TODAY, we just simply don't see the need to upgrade if you don't overclock the HTPC.

A2) If you don't have H67 TODAY, you should just wait another 2 weeks for the 2105 and Z68 MB altogether since it will not much $ different and in case you are bored and nothing to do and want to overclock your HTPC in the future

A3) If you have nothing to do, some spare time to kill and just have to have the latest and greatest otherwise you can't sleep well at night, then sell your H67+2100 and get the Z68+2105

Are we in the same page now
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How about A4) Am never going to overclock or use a SSD cache on this pc, and thus have no need for a Z68, but if the the HD3000 and HD2000 are basically the same price, why not get the better one?
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May I "try" to put all this together

Q: Whether or not you need the i3 2105?

A1) If you have H67 and i3 2100 in your possession TODAY, we just simply don't see the need to upgrade if you don't overclock the HTPC.

A2) If you don't have H67 TODAY, you should just wait another 2 weeks for the 2105 and Z68 MB altogether since it will not much $ different and in case you are bored and nothing to do and want to overclock your HTPC in the future

A3) If you have nothing to do, some spare time to kill and just have to have the latest and greatest otherwise you can't sleep well at night, then sell your H67+2100 and get the Z68+2105

Are we in the same page now
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Ok, but if the 2100 and 2105 were both sitting on the store shelf in front of you and the price difference was $17, would you pick the 2100?

Is there a downside other than $17 of picking the 2105?
If I was only going to use it for media consumption and transcoding, I'd pocket the $17. Gaming is the only reason to go HD3000 over the HD2000.
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Start pressing/releasing F2 every 1/2 second after turning it on.
Of course, I tried it all, but only disconnecting the ssd could I get into the bios again. Basically, enabling "general optimization" within the DH67CF bios makes the system boot so quickly (about 5-6 seconds from complete shutdown to windows desktop) that you can't even get into the bios.
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If I was only going to use it for media consumption and transcoding, I'd pocket the $17. Gaming is the only reason to go HD3000 over the HD2000.
That's what I am thinking too. Use the $17 towards more RAM, bigger/additional hard drive, etc.
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That's what I am thinking too. Use the $17 towards more RAM, bigger/additional hard drive, etc.

If I accept that view, that tells me I should get an i3-2100T and have less heat, because to me it seems the only reason NOT to use the "T" would be the lack of HD3000 graphics.
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If I accept that view, that tells me I should get an i3-2100T and have less heat, because to me it seems the only reason NOT to use the "T" would be the lack of HD3000 graphics.

I think the 2100T is one of the best CPUs out right now for HTPC. I use it in my new line of HTPCs even though it is $10 more than the 2100.

I have a few pics in my blog.
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I think the 2100T is one of the best CPUs out right now for HTPC. I use it in my new line of HTPCs even though it is $10 more than the 2100.

I have a few pics in my blog.

Guess I'll have to see what the actual street price difference is between the 2100, 2100T, and 2105 after May 22.

Microcenter actually has the 2100 for $99 right now.
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