There was a time, as far as Spain knew, the world was flat.
Charter cable encrypts EVERYTHING. So no locals for me, if I upgrade to Windows 10.

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No, I think you're in the clear in his book. I think he means those moving onto Windows 10 - and/or those who don't use WMC are part of the problem - because they don't care about what he cares about.

No, if those people's attitudes and comments ended at just "doesn't care" I wouldn't have bothered to post.

Change? What change? There is no change. Win7 will still be Win7 and it will still be supported like it always was. Win8, will still be Win8 and it will still be supported like it always was. There is no change for people running WMC. WMC will still do its DVR duties today, tomorrow, and even the day that Win10 launches. Sure it will eventually stop getting guide data at some point, but that was known from Day One. Nothing has changed with regards to WMC.

Is your phone running the absolute latest OS? does it have all of the features of the previous OS? (I'll go ahead and tell you... no, it doesn't) Yet, it still works fine as a phone.
Does the computer in your town that control the stoplights run the latest OS? (I bet you never even thought about it, but the answer is almost certainly no) Yet you can still drive.

Why must your DVR be any different?

I don't see anyone who plans on moving to Win 10 telling those who don't or who use WMC that they need to/should/must/have to upgrade to Win 10. I just see some people happy/anticipating that they can upgrade to 10 - some people sad they can't, because they rely on WMC - and some people trying to figure out alchemy and get WMC in Win 10.

Where's the problem? Is it because you can't or won't - you don't wanna hear about people talking about their Win 10 upgrade plans/anticipation? Because that's all I can gather what the problem you perceive is.

Because my DVR is different, it's a computer.

Well, technically, your DVR is run by a computer... just like your smartphone... and traffic lights... and the ATM at your bank... the U-Scan at your grocery store... the voting machine at your local precinct...

The problem is the dismissiveness and ridicule of some people towards others who just want to continue using their HTPC going forward for all it has done in the past. And "just don't upgrade" isn't any more a solution when it comes to the OS as it would be for the CPU, video card, or any other component. Tech marches forwards, MS took a step backwards. Maybe justifiably, maybe not, but this issue is their making, it's not any fault of the user as some people are trying to treat this as.

Can you point out an example of that happening here - cause I haven't seen any - and if there was I missed it. And if it occurred, that would be wrong. But I don't recall seeing any of that. All I've seen is people say "It's fine - you can continue to use your current setup you have now". I would say that's offering reassurance to someone they can keep doing what they're doing with what they currently have - not dismissive or ridicule - if that's what you're referring to.

So it really does just boil down to you're mad you can't upgrade? That is the only solution you have to keep using WMC. That's not my fault. It's also not my fault for pointing out to you that is your one and only option - I'm offering you a way to keep using WMC - by sticking with what you have. So when someone asks "what can I do to keep using WMC?" - no one should tell them what they have will continue to work? No one at all should ever respond to said person?

Again, where did you see this?

Your DVR either works or it doesn't. You don't need a new CPU any more than you need a new OS for it.

If you happen to be using your old, deprecated hardware as a general purpose PC and a DVR, well, I guess it's time to branch off and run a dedicated DVR. You were going to have to get a new computer anyway since you have to have the latest and greatest so yes, leaving your existing DVR to continue doing its existing DVR duties is very much a solution.

And nobody here is saying it's the user's fault for MS dropping WMC in Win10. What some people are saying is that Win10 hasn't changed the WMC landscape at all. Everything regarding WMC is exactly the way it was before Windows 10 was ever announced.

It absolutely is not. All up until Win10 you didn't have to choose WMC vs. the current OS and all that comes with it.

But Windows 10 has nothing to do with WMC. That's an external issue. WMC is still exactly what it was before Windows 10. Nothing in Windows 10 will effect what is currently in WMC.

Do you use a dedicated HTPC for your DVR or is it a general purpose machine?

FWIW, this "Modern8" theme has gone a long way for me in "refreshing" the look of WMC: http://emby.media/community/index.ph...a-center-theme

When I wrote it, it was intended as some harmless tongue-in-cheek humor. But if somebody wants to get their knickers in a twist over it, that's their choice.

Go in the corner and say 10 Hail Marys, and we'll call it even stevens

Yeah, it's nicer, just not enough of a change (and you can't really change it) to satisfy my itch for something new. It would solve the problem of the blue though, lol (but in every theme I've seen - that blue manages to get overlooked in one resource/.png in the .dll - and creep in on one part of the screen at any given time). I messed with themes for a while when I was in my WMC heyday.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=117&v=Z2yzEETV1gI

It looks good here - but some parts seem hard to read (and I still see the F*n blue - lol), but truth be told - my days of tweaking/messing around with WMC are long gone - and they're not gonna return with WMC on its way out for me.

I do appreciate the suggestion/willingness to help though

My problem with WMC isn't really anything to do with WMC itself. It works wonderfully in performance/stability/reliability for me with my headless HTPC and XBOX 360s @ every TV configuration. The problem is - as I admitted earlier - I've just become flat out bored with/of it. Maybe it's my own fault for getting the setup so rock-solid But also - I just see so many more advantages/features/enjoyability in going forward with an Android TV/SD DVR setup that I'm just anxious for it; and scratching at the walls.

Done.


Yeah, I'm kinda in the same boat. I messed around with a few themes, but I never found one that I really liked and the trouble of trying to keep WMC themed was generally more trouble than it was worth.

Eventually I opted to go the route of least hassle/best stability, and now I'm running a pretty bare-bones setup. I bought the My Channel Logos add-in and I installed MB 2.6.2 and Shark's latest codec pack (at the time) and other than that it's pretty much stock. Seems much more stable that way.

Yeah, all I have is My Channel Logos and Guide Tool (needed for my QAM lineup). Literally nothing else now (Edit- No, I have haali splitter too). I used to have every WMC plugin/whatever and figuring out ways to add every service/feature into WMC and be controllable all by remote . They were either just more trouble than they were worth - or just have since been dwarfed by other options.

Yeah, I went through a number of themes too before Modern8 was finalized, but after a little tweaking, I think it looks a lot more "modern" than stock.




Other than some pains getting MCL and Media Center Studio working together, it's been set and forget. It should hold me over until the next thing, SD DVR or otherwise.

This may be a subject for a new thread (or can anyone point me to a current similar one?). I want my free Windows 10 upgrades. We currently have three MCE PC's sharing two SD HDHR Primes.

Even keeping one PC on Win 7 won't solve the issue of watching the recordings in different rooms.

I would have to either invest in used Xbox 360's, or the new SD solution coming out later this year. But how does SD get around the copy once issue for watching recordings in different locations?

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If it all comes to fruition, the same as WMC does... using an approved (though different) DRM technology.

One of your computers would have the recording engine software installed on it (or simply a NAS if you like) - then on every computer (even the one with the recording engine software) you would install the viewing client so that you can watch and manage/schedule recordings. They still use DRM (we don't know what - but DTCP-IP is used for live viewing) so that you can watch your copy-once stuff. I'm assuming the view clients/apps authenticate with the recording engine software - authorizing playback.

This is how it sounds to me from the way they have described things. Kinda like their own version of Softsled.

Yea anyway it's just stupid to assume there aren't decent features in windows 10 that one would want to upgrade to it. The Xbox One intergration stuff alone might be worth it, let alone the probable improvements that are bound to come with it. So yea the attitude in replies was beyond dickheaded. What was the point in even replying and replying and replying adding nothing. Cept to quote the post directly above yours...

Anyway in the end **** M$. I'll download everything for free if I have to in the end. So who really gives a ****.

Just more of M$ clear lack of vision as a whole. It was bad enough the lame asses charged $10 or probably more in some cases for WMC on win 8. To remove it altogether is just stupid and pointless. It isn't like they're changed it in almost the entire time it's been around.

So thanks for the helpful replies and at least some understanding.

I emailed SiliconDust when the Kickstarter was announced and they replied that they will be using DTCP-IP for DRM.

Pretty much. Sadly, legit copies of Windows 7 are becoming harder and harder to find these days, especially copies not already installed on a machine I don't need. They are still out there to be sure, but as Windows 10 arrives, I have a feeling 7 is going to become even harder to track down.

Well, the point was if you already have Win7 or Win8 you shouldn't have to track down a new license. You already have a working system.

If you're just getting into the DVR world that's a different story... I'd really hesitate to start building around a WMC ecosystem today. but if you're already running Win7 or Win8 with WMC, then you should be set for quite a while.

Newegg and Amaazon still have OEM versions. I've been watching the prices and they're running about $80 for home premium and as low as $115 for Pro (when they're on sale). I probably ought to grab a copy of Pro soon for running WMC in a VM. I'm wondering if it will disappear from the "shelves" as soon as Windows 10 is available though.

Right. But I haven't checked the features yet. It's network based storage, right? WMC only plays protected recordings on the computer that created them, or on an Xbox 360.

Is the new SD product supposed to play on any network attached device?

Edit: I see staknhalo already addressed this.

Any mention of clients for streaming devices, like Chromecast, Roku, Fire TV?

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Android TV for copy-once content (along with PC/Mac) via the view client/app. Any other platform/device they come out with the view app for - they have stated it either won't do copy-once, or it's undetermined at this time.

Well, if I invest in one it'll be after they have streaming clients. I'm slowly moving away from recording. I'm using Hulu, Amazon, and Netflix more and more. And Emby keeps getting better and better.

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Here's what M$ is saying about availability of various versions of Windows 7 & 8:

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...ycle#section_2

It looks like you'll still be able to buy Windows 7 Pro OEM until at least Jun. 2016 since they say they'll give one year notice.