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Wifi is not out of the picture with MPEG2 streams as reportsof AC routers doing a good job have come from users of View and before thatfrom SD CEO Ted Head on a blog interview at CES this year in their suite.
Mentioning to people how I use a computer and watch/recordTV in the same sentence and see their eyes roll up and the brain shuts down wasamusing. But consider a full package DVR for any Cable SP that can use many nasdevices to record or a mac or pc or even pc servers and linux based as well. Sothey have broadened their market appeal with very geeky folks but the additionof an android box or controls on a smart phone and you connect with a whole newgeneration of potential users. Who can use an existing device with some newtech and software that makes its use more intuitive might bring a bigger crowdto their door. It might be the last gasp or a beginning.
The View app for Windows supports my use of Comcast suppliedaudio only channels; both radio and packaged music. Keep in mind that the freeapps will be enhanced by the DVR software. They may change some over time butdo not expect all the features in the DVR to be in the free apps just like theyonly see two hours of guide. To some extent the free apps now provided like theKodi guide service will not change at all.
Quite about the apple idea I don’t want this bought out byanyone except maybe Buffet who tends to have a hands off approach but willingto fund good ideas that expand business.
It is a very reasonable to say SD has failed to deliver andnever explained its failures. I am not much on excuses mostly results myself. Ihave feelings about why some items did not happen and some others about whythey did when they were not expected. Much of it was about chip supply and thenit was about assembly line availability and now industry changes to h.264 mpeg2by cable providers looms making a TC version of the prime more economicallyunlikely unless this DVR changes sales pictures. Still not sure what is upabout apple phone app and tablet issue regarding ACC conversion on audio? But alot more thought has been put into this than the surface suggests.
I laughingly speculated on the SD forum about the timing ofthe MS announcement and the Kickstarter offer. Conspiracy!!? Kind of doubt itbut nice it happened during the kickstarter, may have kick a few off the fence.
The current View programs are basic viewing only items whichwill remain as replacement to Quick TV which was a shell for WMP; a dressed upUI version for TV. View uses dlna delivery so it can cross platforms moreeasily and hand off to HDCP compliant clients. Should have some report on theForge TV box this weekend possibly. Someone posted a ZBox mini computer on theSD forum at $220 that is better than most comparable NUC’s imo. He has them inhis kids room running Kodi. Nick has stated that Fire TV stb will be supported.Roku 3 is another story as transcoding is a necessity and probably not theneeded type is available on an SoC ? HDHomerun Fling has done this withnon-copyonce content. Personally I hope they learn enough to look at iOS and makeit happen. If you have something that is truly plug and play apple is a greatmarket to be a part of but failure is not an option there. Like elephants theydon’t forget.
W7 2020 W8 2023 support end dates. I expect they willcontinue to provide an EPG just do not know what will look like in 2019. Moviecross referencing and such I don’t know how that works or if they pay for thatinfo but if so would be a likely service to disappear. The netflix app on it trulysucks and I would go into windows to adjust my watch list there just to make itsomewhat easier to use in WMC.
The HDHR DVR will enhance the tuner apps with more features,provides a two week guide rather than two hours with the basic View apps andthe dvr software for NAS or windows pc & servers, linux pc 7 nas or mac. Probablya factor in design will be staying within android TV standards for remotes.
Well probably not 9 tuners, the max allowed by the FCC is 8for a CC. SP’s wanted that to be much lower. Tuning adapters are getting someupgrades to that now but not widely available. I noticed Ceton went throughsome pain with at least one of their 6 tuner models. Early on SD seemed verygun shy about 6 tuners but warmed up to the 4 tuner. That seems to havechanged.
@scJohn goodevaluation what they don’t know they intend to buy the info on, one way or theother but Nick probably understands this as well as anyone. The desire is thereand they have been methodically moving in this direction. The DVR software isbasically a finished package for beta and creating the protected paths andcertification is what the beta and offering is mostly about. UI will be multifaceted IMO. I don’t think they have released anywhere near what they havedeveloped so far as some of it may have to go or be modified for certificationpurposes. SD does try to not make promises they can not keep and those paying$60 and up will watch that process and can contribute. Part of the reason Ichose the 4tb nas pledge was I know the “profit” between its retail cost and whatthey pay for it adds to the pot especially since it was on my list of upgrades[not at the top but a unique opportunity to show support].
For me the most encouraging part is that SD will see that thereare some users of the product that are willing to share some of the risk ofdeveloping a DVR program. Whether it ends up another OTA or copy freely programultimately [ota is a bigger part of SD product business, CC’s are USA, S Korea,Philippines] it could be a better option to even Simple.TV or others mentionedhere. If they truly succeed in CC copyonce content goals it will be great notto have fears of losing WMC be a factor in it’s use for a cost/benefit vs cablecompany products. Comcast has just caught up with what we have been doing foryears with x-1 which is really just a copy of what MS offered them years agowith WMC and 360. Europe took the 360 as a delivery device for IPTV; USA didnot. We could be funding the next step beyond that and TiVo as it exists.
You may not be able to play on Linux but SD has alreadyproved they can record to it and retrieve it to other platforms.
Stay away from Vizio their not so smart, you’ll need anandroid TV stb at the least to view content on it. LG’s this last year finallygot dlna certification for its new line. Most of the newer TVs have dlna but theinterface is clunky and if the nic isn’t backup with a quad core processor wellgood luck with playback [oh and you better check company specs on what codecs exist in their dlna version]. Developing apps could be an act in frustration modelto model or year to year [proved by Samsung]. Sony, Philips and Sharp announcedTV’s at CES to be coming out about now that have android built in.
There simply isn’t enough money in it for MS or they wouldhave made the xbone CC compliant rather than plugging one of Comcasts x-1 stbinto it via hdmi eliminating the need for an IR blaster. They have added thesame dlna that I found in the 360 to xbone. Beyond that I hope they get abetter picture than I could get using my computer that way. A wise productdeveloper once told me he’d rather be a big fish in a small pond than a litttleone in a big pond. This is a small pond with a huge economic moat called drm.He who controls the spice controls the universe!
Hulu, Netflix deliver programs not live streaming TV nor canyou record that content. The Roku does not have mpeg2 codecs and is notdesigned for live streams. Roku balked at adding mpeg2. If you put the livestream from cable next to live from the internet you see a big difference inquality usually. I have done this with Comcast on one screen so others I knowcan see it. But OTA is king of HD picture quality overall typically. I have notfound anything that could out do a pc with Netflix in the past [not a currentsubscriber but will be one again soon to support a new show, damn]. But mini pc’sare much more capable than in the past and can be had for $220 that would workwell all around. Pair a prime with a basic NAS and that mini for under $550 youmight have a system with 3.6TB of usable storage and a very nice pc station. For$100 less an android stb rather than a PC. Or the ultimate starter an older pc [linux orwindows] to record on and play with remotes at other TV’s or directly with a windowspc. Nobody offers this kind of flexibility with support but SD.
I really don’t want to get into this but Starbucks is acompany that has a corporate philosophy I can embrace as a starting point tochanging the bottom line attitude in corporations. In relation to this conceptof corporate morals I have seen SD do things that affect their bottom linenegatively but help a select few users at four fold to retail cost of thedevice sold them. Potentially thousands of dollars to alleviate an issuecreated by another device that they helped the maker of that device see theissue and worked with them to create a software solution to the issue. Then SD implementedits own fix at considerable expense so that users did not have to wait up to 6months for the creator of the issue to update their software. SD decided it wasbetter to solve a problem they had no idea how much it would really cost thembecause they had no way of really knowing how many of the customers were or wouldbe affected in that time span. SD’s heart is in the right side of this economicdebate. They don’t think with their pocket book all that much. I think therates for egp and dvr service are extremely reasonable. One of the features thathas been over looked is how they decide when to start or stop a recording. Itis good that Nick came here to explain it. This will require an always on linkwith the internet to guarantee but it is going to eliminate the 10 minute pastand three minute before issue with files and I am thrilled because that is mymain grip and my videoredo activity to save some dvr space with WMC. There was one person on the SD forum recently who needs to run internet free at times and this solution is not going to work out for them and what they need. But it is a novel approach to setting the actual time things start and stop with a high degree of certainty that everything is recorded to the right file and not having to chop and paste ends together for back to back recordings that don’tline up with WMC guide time. They probably mention it because it is one feature that probably can’t change.
Beyond that this whole project is proof they really do listen to customer comments on the SD forum even if they don’t reply to themdirectly on the forum. And they come here too for a broader spectrum of device usersand opinions on what’s wrong with all of them. So keep it up!
I don’t know why you would think you cannot do 30 second skips through copyonce content, I do it all the time in WMC. With copy freely content I will run videoredo to remove commercials, trim excess after blending ost beginnings and then transcode those not needing a super quality video tosave space or make it more portable [cloud based nas for remote access, mostly music videos]. Something I will not miss is dealing with WTV files any longer. Usingmpeg2.ts files will be a welcome change to me. I will be interested to see how well videoredo will work with the actual recorded file delivered vs WMC buffered and processed content [which the sound handling is really bad IMO].
The list of issues with WMC and CC’s is beginning to fadefrom my brain, three years ago I came here to learn the shared issues so I would better understand specific tuner issues in SD tuners. Hopefully 10 years from now we will have forgotten what it was like just like I have forgotten xp mce and Vista WMC issues and pluses.
Peace and here’s to having it your way. Come and talk on the SD Forum [I know some of you do] I am Mediaman.