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Is SSD really going to help with the Cost & unreilbilty of HDD?

Even my mild collection of HD movies is approaching 6TB. Plus you need at least another drive for backup.


My 3TB WD external drives don't seem to be lasting long. Maybe a year MAX from watching a movie each day for example. I just unplug when done & replug when wanting to use the drive.


Personally I'm waiting for large SSD drives & hope they will reduce the ongoing cost of having you movies backed up on disk.


Do your drives die often? And do you think ssd 6TB will become cheap enough? Well under a grand?


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You should probably get a NAS if you can't put the drives inside the PC's case. External drives have poor cooling and that equals a short life. You might be able to come up with 6TB of SSD for under a grand, but you would need multiple drives connected and pooled together.

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Even my mild collection of HD movies is approaching 6TB. Plus you need at least another drive for backup.
6TB is one hard drive, less than that actually. And your original discs are your backup, even if you want to back it up that's only one extra drive.

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My 3TB WD external drives don't seem to be lasting long. Maybe a year MAX from watching a movie each day for example. I just unplug when done & replug when wanting to use the drive.
Personally I never trust external drives, the drives themselves are probably fine but I don't really trust the enclosures.

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Personally I'm waiting for large SSD drives & hope they will reduce the ongoing cost of having you movies backed up on disk.
SSDs aren't going to be cheaper than platter drives, not until they stop mass producing platter drives.

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Do your drives die often? And do you think ssd 6TB will become cheap enough? Well under a grand?
No, my drives don't die often, most of mine run years, and all the failures I can usually attribute to excess heat.

6TB drives are only about $250 (sorry, missed 6TB SSD the first time through):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822236737

I think it will be a long time before 6TB drives are under a grand, 1TB SSDs are only just getting under $500.

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Get internal drives and permanently mount them in an enclosure, be it a PC, NAS, or dedicated server. You should get years of service. You'll have a long wait for a cheap 6TB SSD.
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And your original discs are your backup
Assuming you actually own the movies.
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I think it will be a long time before 6TB drives are under a grand, 1TB SSDs are only just getting under $500.
http://www.networkcomputing.com/stor...a/d-id/1320958

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I buy external drives and then pull them from the case to mount them internally. They're the exact same drives as the retail internal drives but generally cost less with a shorter warranty. As previously mentioned, using them externally will more likely shorten their lifespan, hence the shorter warranty. Using them as internal drives allows them better cooling and a longer lifespan. They usually last longer than the warranty on the retail drives so it's a win-win.
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All those power cycles don't help.

Get a NAS enclosure. Mine is still running great with 3tb WD Red after 2 plus years.
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I think it will be a long time before 6TB drives are under a grand, 1TB SSDs are only just getting under $500.
As kapone pointed out, the prices are dropping fast. A month ago I bought a bunch for $270 each.
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Assuming you actually own the movies.
If you don't, you don't ask here because it's a violation of the forum TOS.
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I want to see a 3.5" SSD with....



(er...not dollars, but...) TERABYTES....!!!

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Assuming you actually own the movies.

I kind of agree with the OP a little here, Yea, I own 99% of the movies 300+ Blu-ray moves in my Movie Library on my HTPC but, each blu-ray rip can vary between 25 min to 2 hours (I compress some animated stuff down for space).


So, 300+ movies times about 45 min each on average....Yea, that could be a week's full it work that personally would not want to have to redo...with other stuff in life.


Although, with drives, besides Toshiba drives (nightmare), most drives out lived their useful life for me, I have a draw in my closet with a bunch of drives that still work fine but, just too small or too slow for my use.


Personally, I was thinking about getting a networkable LTO-3 tape drive and just doing tapes for my movies and other media backups...(with other machines on site). Fairly cheap for a used drive and tapes last for ever it seems if cared for right...
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And your original discs are your backup...
Not really. A backup is a copy of the file(s) stored on another location. I copy my discs into ISO format. The backup would also have to be an ISO format, in order for it to be a backup. If I must redo all my work to get the file into the state it was in prior to losing it, I do not have a backup of the file.


Saying the original disc is your backup is akin to saying paper receipts are your excel spreadsheet backup. Want to restore your excel spreadsheet from backup? Here you go, here are all the paper receipts. Now simply open excel and create a brand new document, naming it what your lost document was named and reenter all your data. I doubt anyone would say that is a successful backup and restore.
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If it's an ISO, there is no "work" (nearly) and it is a backup as ISO's are bit for bit identical to the original disc. That said, that wasn't my point. My point is the data's recoverable, if your drive dies, you can rerip it, you're out some effort, but not the movie. It's not like storing your digital photos only on a HDD, if the drive dies their gone, they can never recovered. Those you need to "back up", so you don't lose them. Movies? Not the same, you can always rerip them since you have the original disc, so you don't "have" to have a backup.

That said, I don't want to rerip my discs either if a hard drive fails. That's why I have them on my unRAID server, parity protected. But I'm not going to build another unRAID server, or buy a bunch of extra hard drives, or upload to Crashplan, because I've got the original discs if something terrible happens.
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Thanks all, appreciate the advice.


I felt my 3TB drive & it was very warm & making slight grinding noise.
I did have a bad experience a few years ago with a hitachi 2TB drive in my PC, it died in 2months, although it had no cooling fan on it.


The capacity required for movies is staggering. Playing off discs is soo time consuming with all the DRM. on HDD its a click of the button any movie, anytime.


Plus all the specific formats, subtitles which take ages to get right to suit your players.
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I had two brands/types of 3TB drives that got very hot and failed early. One was the infamous Seagate ST3000DM001, the other I can't remember what they were. Also had overheating and early failure with a pair of Seagate ST32000542AS 2TB drives. These were all shelled from external drives. I have had no issues since moving to WD red drives.

If you end up with WD external drives, you'll most likely have green drives inside. I recommend running WDIDLE3 on those to set the head park time to 5 minutes, otherwise the load cycles are going to jump up really fast.
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At the risk of sounding like an echo chamber, NAS is the way to go. If your really concerned about performance/latency, you can look into iSCSI devices which you can do host level mirroring to.

I boot from an SSD, have 2TB of local (WD AV-GP drive) and then use FreeFileSync to replicate my newest movies once a week.

Alternatively, USB3 connected individual cases are a pain, but not hard to find and let you run them independent of one another.
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At the risk of sounding like an echo chamber, NAS is the way to go. If your really concerned about performance/latency, you can look into iSCSI devices which you can do host level mirroring to.

I boot from an SSD, have 2TB of local (WD AV-GP drive) and then use FreeFileSync to replicate my newest movies once a week.

Alternatively, USB3 connected individual cases are a pain, but not hard to find and let you run them independent of one another.
Hi, is there a rough nas price range suggestion for 2 drives being used? Just to watch movies. The prices vary a lot.


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I have no empirical data to back this up but I don't like my HD to have more than 2 platters, I think more platter than that and it's hard on the bearings, the motor, the heat. Currently, if am still updated on my platter density, 6TB drives takes at least 4 platters.

I have had very good luck with my HDD. 7 in TEN years and only 1 failed, and it was later discovered a bad batch, a factory defect. My drives are on 24x7 but allowed to spin down at idle, they wake up an average 7 times/day, I have it logged. My HDD box is protected by an UPS. My lastest drives are Seagates 2TB, 2 and 1 years old respectively, idle ~33c, no prob so far, x-fingers.

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