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I have match frame configured in madvr and mpc.

Imo, I think that's your problem. Try madVR only and using 2160p23, 2160p24, 2160p25, 2160p30, 2160p50, 2160p59, 2160p60.

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Imo, I think that's your problem. Try madVR only and using 2160p23, 2160p24, 2160p25, 2160p30, 2160p50, 2160p59, 2160p60.
I tried a bunch of things and i still can't nail this down. I think the main issue here has to do with clocking. It looks like the 2080 isn't outputting a true 24p signal, 23.976hz. I even tried creating a custom resolution for 23hz with 23.976 and that does not appear to help. Going back and forth on the same scenes comparing my shield tv and htpc playback, the shield's playback is smoother with less judder. I have read of possibly using reclock to fix audio and video clock speed differences, but i would then lose the ability to bitstream.

Surely some of you have dealt with this before.

I'm wondering if unraid's hypervisor is somehow messing with the clocks.
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clock issue would give you issues every couple minutes not the whole time so can you make a screen of the OSD (control+j)
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I think the issue is the composition rate being different than source?


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Ok, so i updated the lav filters and selected d3d 11. Wow what a difference in color saturation. Coco looked dull before and now it's very colorful. However, i've noticed an issue with smooth playback, especially with coco, playback is more juttery when compared to say my shield tv. I have match frame configured in madvr and mpc. In madvr i have 2160p23 and 24 (etc configured). I'm thinking this has something to do with windows and how it handles 23 and 24p playback as my initial research suggests.

I'm going to try removing 23 as an option and report back.

Also, i'm not using any motion enhance settings on my rs3000
Does it show frames being dropped in the ctrl+j screen?

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that's a composition rate mismatch the win 10 special. a fix for that is windows 8. newer GPU driver with newer windows 10 version and some hope.
try d3d9 overlay (windows 7 overlay make sure FSE and d3d11 are not checked) as a test it is the only surface that can ignore the composition rate on win 10 there is another trick you could try later that give you the old FSE back but i don't have the best experience with this trick on win 10.
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Tried that. Still the same. Also tried playing around with vsync settings and also rolled back drivers to a previous cersion as suggested in another thread. No dice. It did manage to fix the composition mismatxh but thats about it.
@markmon i dont have dropped frames unless i pause or resize the window. Then i get a few dropped frames while playback resumes.


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can you make me a screen with overlay.

and with overly it's more important if playback works properly not if it still shows a composition rate overlay ignore it it is not displaying anything there it's just a "black" screen the GPU driver later adds the image.
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Also tried vsync on and windowed mode only...

I’m thinking i might try swapping my 1080ti into this box to see if it behaves differently.


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Also tried vsync on and windowed mode only...

I’m thinking i might try seapping my 1080ti into this box to see if it behaves differently.


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I run windows 10, GTX 1080TI, and driver 390.65. I have none of these issues. So if you roll back to those 3 things and still have the same issue without high rendering times or dropped frames, you know it's something else. I use 390.65 because it allows Ansel in any game (freestyle effects).

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how the hell should he use a driver that's older then his card :-)

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any reason you can't test overlay?
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how the hell should he use a driver that's older then his card :-)

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any reason you can't test overlay?
He just said he was going to put a GTX 1080TI into that machine. So that driver is a good recommendation for his 1080TI. That's how

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how the hell should he use a driver that's older then his card :-)


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any reason you can't test overlay?


I can. How exactly do i test overlay? (I just woke up and not firing on all cylinders yet. ) :-P i will try my 1080 ti as a last resort today


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Shouldn't it say d3d11 overlay?

Also, i tried CMD low on the projector and it pretty much cures it. I can live with that even though i didn't want to have to deal with audio delay stuff. I think i'll still try the 1080ti later today.
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Question, I'm using dxva2 (copyback) but want to use D3D11 native because its less heavy on my CPU. But when I select that kodi won't play in exclusive mode and my auto ratio for my JVC stops working?? Is this correct or am I doing something wrong?
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CPU usage shouldn't differ much between the two, but black bar detection is not yet supported by D3D11 Native.

There is a tutorial on configuring LAV Filters here:

https://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php...541#pid1843541
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Shouldn't it say d3d11 overlay?

Also, i tried CMD low on the projector and it pretty much cures it. I can live with that even though i didn't want to have to deal with audio delay stuff. I think i'll still try the 1080ti later today.
What do these 24p judder tests look like when played:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...prM_dindje9fMB

The moving bars in these videos should connect with the sound played to indicate proper 24p cadence. Do they also look fairly smooth?
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Spoiler!

Here is my general screen settings. It's way different than yours. Again this is a 1080TI but I'm having nothing but smooth playback.


Also, you're using MPC-BE not MPC-HC right? MPC-BE seems to fix stutter for tons of people for some reason. (I use zoom player)
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What do these 24p judder tests look like when played:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...prM_dindje9fMB

The moving bars in these videos should connect with the sound played to indicate proper 24p cadence. Do they also look fairly smooth?
They look fairly juddery to me. At lot less so when played back from the shield. I also tried mpc-be and i didn't notice any improvement. I think i'll just stick with using mpc low on the jvc since it restores motion without adding any artifacts that i can see. I just watched mary queen of the scots with these settings and it worked fine. I think this is an issue with the 2080 not being able to properly do 23.9 correctly.
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They look fairly juddery to me. At lot less so when played back from the shield. I also tried mpc-be and i didn't notice any improvement. I think i'll just stick with using mpc low on the jvc since it restores motion without adding any artifacts that i can see. I just watched mary queen of the scots with these settings and it worked fine. I think this is an issue with the 2080 not being able to properly do 23.9 correctly.

Could you humor me for a sec and go to windows power options and set it to power saver? It should slow your system noticably. Run a video in mpc like youve been trying to (it will take longer to get going) and let me know if you notice any difference.

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I have been trying to get the settings correct to tone map with Mad VR and my JVC X7500. I just want to be sure the settings I have are correct.


I have MAD VR and Nvidia settings at 0 - 255 and LAV on 16-235. Is this correct?


I have my JVC on Gamma 2.2, colour profile BT2020, colour temp HDR 6500k.


Nvidia settings are 12bit, RGB, with the latest drivers.


I have MAD VR calibration on DCI-P3 and Gamma Power Curve 2.4. I am not using any LUT files (I don't know how)


I have had my projector professionally calibrated for SDR and HDR, but since then have discovered MAD VR tone mapping.

The only issue I have come across is in the latest Mission Impossible in 4K, I got horizontal banding on the iMAX scenes towards the end. This happened in the sky mainly.


When looking at the MPC status, it says D3D11 Fullscreen Windowed (8 bit) should that not be 10 bit? Or is there anything else wrong with these settings?

I just want to make sure I am maximising the capability of my system.
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@hotrippr @markmon quick update. I just ddu uninstalled my nvidia drivers and reinstalled 418.91. Stutter is now gone. I initially had installed 419.35 first, which some say has no stutter issues, before installing 418.91. but not using DDU. DDU appears to have done the trick + enabling vsync in driver menus.

So, if anyone else is having judder issues with a rtx card, use 418.91. Worth mentioning that i also did not install geforce experience. I'm a happy camper now and this should hold me over until madvr envy becomes available.
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Going on 24hrs without issue on 425.31. I also have tried many different drivers and used DDU, the issue would always return, 425.31 included. But for me I believe it is power related. I reseated the gpu and noticed also that the ECO mode switch on my PSU was in between the on and off positions so I gave it a nudge all the way over and now seems all is good. Either position worked but it didnt like being in the middle of the switch throw. What led me to this conclusion was setting windows power setting to Power saver, with power saver it took load out of the system and would get smooth playback vs Balanced or High Performance gave me lag/stutter. So power/heat was giving me issue. Long story short I believe my PSU fan wasnt spinning at all. Hopefully, it doesnt come back.
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I'm trying to use the HDR file measurement function. After dragging the .mkv file onto MadMeasureHDR.exe the window opens and I have the message "Measuring video file ....." but the measurement does not start, I only see the blinking cursor but no measurement percentage count. Where am I doing wrong? Thank you.
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Try it again. It sometimes hangs on the first attempt.
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@hotrippr @markmon quick update. I just ddu uninstalled my nvidia drivers and reinstalled 418.91. Stutter is now gone. I initially had installed 419.35 first, which some say has no stutter issues, before installing 418.91. but not using DDU. DDU appears to have done the trick + enabling vsync in driver menus.

So, if anyone else is having judder issues with a rtx card, use 418.91. Worth mentioning that i also did not install geforce experience. I'm a happy camper now and this should hold me over until madvr envy becomes available.
So frustrated. My stutter is back again.From what I can tell its mostly apparent with 24fps/hz content/display mode. And what I cannot understand is why it does not stutter with windows power setting at power saver???


My options: 1. Turn off madvr display matching for 24hz
2. When I watch videos set power saver
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Are you certain that it is stutter? I've never found 24 fps playback perfectly smooth. Have you tried all of the recommended drivers in this thread:

https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=176013

Read the last post for a tip on what settings should be disabled in the Nvidia control panel.
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Are you certain that it is stutter? I've never found 24 fps playback perfectly smooth...
I assume this occurs when the source file is exactly 24fps? This also happens to me, even with rendering times around 26-28ms. Basically i get 1 frame drop every 45s.

For files with 23.976fps, i get perfect playback.
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Thanks guys


No it is not the normal judder with 24fps content nor 23.9. It is annoying stutter. The exact same files play smoothly if windows power saver is selected.

And it happens only sometimes. Then goes away and comes back. I have tried selective startup to see if an app is conflicting but no dice.

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