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Would this be a good option for running madVR?

https://www.evga.com/products/Specs/GPU.aspx?pn=5fa28d37-0fb1-42be-8b9b-04223cb59d85
Secondary question - is the Vega 56 worth spending double on? 1060 6gb around $100-115 used, Vega 56 $200-225 used.
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Secondary question - is the Vega 56 worth spending double on? 1060 6gb around $100-115 used, Vega 56 $200-225 used.
Most people will recommend nvidia. 1060 will allow you to use madvr but will be limited in what it can do. I guess depends on your usage. I have recently seen the 2060 often recommended. Or if you want to go used the 1070 is recommended a lot and in the low $200's.
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Secondary question - is the Vega 56 worth spending double on? 1060 6gb around $100-115 used, Vega 56 $200-225 used.
Vega 56 is worth it if you game on your htpc and your tv supports freesync (samsung) I swapped out my 1070 for a vega 56 just to have freesync.
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Vega 56 is worth it if you game on your htpc and your tv supports freesync (samsung) I swapped out my 1070 for a vega 56 just to have freesync.
Freesync is supported on Nvidia GPU's on many freesync monitors now. Works on my LG very well and I don't have a certified model that Nvidia has approved.
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Freesync is supported on Nvidia GPU's on many freesync monitors now. Works on my LG very well and I don't have a certified model that Nvidia has approved.
Indeed, but they don't support it over HDMI which would be 100 % of freesync tv's.
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Indeed, but they don't support it over HDMI which would be 100 % of freesync tv's.
Ah yes my bad.
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Would this be a good option for running madVR?

https://www.evga.com/products/Specs/GPU.aspx?pn=5fa28d37-0fb1-42be-8b9b-04223cb59d85
Are you a projector owner intending to use madVR for tone mapping? In that case, you would need a more powerful card.

Otherwise, almost any GTX 1060 6GB is a good card. I own the SSC version of that GPU, the one with two fans, and it works fine. That version with one fan will run hotter and make it more difficult to overclock without making the card hot. That is one thing to consider.

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Does anyone have a Navi card yet? It would excellent if the new cards perform on madVR as good as their NVIDIA counterparts.
We know that Polaris cards could struggle on some algorithms, but Vega users with madVR were so few that i never seen any feedback for Vega cards, so it will be interesting to see how Navi performs ...
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Does anyone have a Navi card yet? It would excellent if the new cards perform on madVR as good as their NVIDIA counterparts.

We know that Polaris cards could struggle on some algorithms, but Vega users with madVR were so few that i never seen any feedback for Vega cards, so it will be interesting to see how Navi performs ...

I have a Vega card. It seems to run vadvr very well.
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Does anyone have a Navi card yet? It would excellent if the new cards perform on madVR as good as their NVIDIA counterparts.
We know that Polaris cards could struggle on some algorithms, but Vega users with madVR were so few that i never seen any feedback for Vega cards, so it will be interesting to see how Navi performs ...
From I've seen and read, the Navi cards are another letdown from AMD. They are at best as fast as the new Nvidia RTX Super cards released to challenge them, but they don't have any hardware-accelerated ray tracing capabilities and still manage to run hot like previous AMD cards. Maybe AMD is resting its laurels and sales expectations on the fact it got its Navi GPUs into both next generation video game consoles from Xbox and Playstation. But its GPU technology is still dated compared to Nvidia.

There is currently only one version of the Navi cards and it wouldn't make for a good HTPC card because it runs hot and has a terrible fan. I don't know what the price difference is with Nvidia, but it is probably not enough to justify buying a Navi card.
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that's my first impression too but some user have gone a little bit deeper and...
AMD simply lost it with this release the stock cooler is just beyond help letting the card look far worse then it is so wait for custom design. 2.2 GHz doesn't seem to be any problem for these cards with a proper cooler.


and while AMD can only match nvidia in term of power consumption using a far better node it doesn't change that nvidia doesn't have 7 nm cards and that will be the case for some more time too.

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why don't you provide some number everyone knows they work. you would be the first one to do so. i stop remember how often i ask for numbers.

a 1060 can do the NGU very high luma only FHD -> UHD for ~29 ms.
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So I guess I'll have to see how much faster they can get with better cooling. I am not expecting a miraculous improvement.

Bad press for AMD for something that was simply poorly engineered.
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that's my first impression too but some user have gone a little bit deeper and...

AMD simply lost it with this release the stock cooler is just beyond help letting the card look far worse then it is so wait for custom design. 2.2 GHz doesn't seem to be any problem for these cards with a proper cooler.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ud8Bco0dk6Q



and while AMD can only match nvidia in term of power consumption using a far better node it doesn't change that nvidia doesn't have 7 nm cards and that will be the case for some more time too.



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why don't you provide some number everyone knows they work. you would be the first one to do so. i stop remember how often i ask for numbers.



a 1060 can do the NGU very high luma only FHD -> UHD for ~29 ms.


I posted a screenshot earlier in this thread. I’ll be happy to do so again.
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Would this be a good option for running madVR?

https://www.evga.com/products/Specs/GPU.aspx?pn=5fa28d37-0fb1-42be-8b9b-04223cb59d85
Are you a projector owner intending to use madVR for tone mapping? In that case, you would need a more powerful card.

Otherwise, almost any GTX 1060 6GB is a good card. I own the SSC version of that GPU, the one with two fans, and it works fine. That version with one fan will run hotter and make it more difficult to overclock without making the card hot. That is one thing to consider.
I'm getting ready to upgrade to a projector, I'm upgrading my pc right now. Ended up grabbing a gtx 1070 today for a good deal. Hopefully that will work well.
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your screenshoot is an idle load bicubic 60 for chroma.
can you create a screen shot with adding the folder ShowRenderSteps to the madVR folder and with 1080p->2160p using NGU sharp very high chroma normal?

@Onkyoman
yes don't expect them to be good but they should better...
and real world prices are important beating a 2060 super and been cheaper at the same time may make them an option with a dark future with the very limited feature set...
but i will have a look into the feature set too there FP16 performance is similar to turing so that'S something no word about int32.
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I agree it the 5700 can compete with the 2060 super its probably the better buy. Performance is very sporadic though game to game. Performance seems to swing more than usual.

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From I've seen and read, the Navi cards are another letdown from AMD. They are at best as fast as the new Nvidia RTX Super cards released to challenge them, but they don't have any hardware-accelerated ray tracing capabilities and still manage to run hot like previous AMD cards. Maybe AMD is resting its laurels and sales expectations on the fact it got its Navi GPUs into both next generation video game consoles from Xbox and Playstation. But its GPU technology is still dated compared to Nvidia.

There is currently only one version of the Navi cards and it wouldn't make for a good HTPC card because it runs hot and has a terrible fan. I don't know what the price difference is with Nvidia, but it is probably not enough to justify buying a Navi card.
My question was more trying to understand if the new Navi cards can perform as good as their Nvidia counterparts in madVR, something that the Polaris cards couldn't.
For example, from a generic computational perspective, the AMD Polaris 580 was a better card than the Nvidia 1060, cheaper, but for madVR use, the Nvidia surpasses it.

Basically, for those using the graphic cards for madVR only, this means that we could not rely in the usual reviews/comparisons, as it does not matter if the AMD card performed better in general, but worst on madVR.

Regarding being a let down, i think its too early to say, but it doesn't seem the consensus on some "technical" forums. Excluding RT, the 5700XT is faster than the 2060S at the same price, and almost as fast as the 2070S while being 100$ less.

The questions, once again are:
- Does Navi architecture perform the same as Nvidia with madVR?
- Will madVR use Nvidia Tensor cores in the future, providing an definitive advantage for Nvidia (madshi hinted to something like this a while ago ...)

All in all, i'm hopping that the Navi cards to be as good as possible, even if only for the increased competition ... The Super editions would never be launched if Navi weren't at least competitive ...
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My question was more trying to understand if the new Navi cards can perform as good as their Nvidia counterparts in madVR, something that the Polaris cards couldn't.
...
The questions, once again are:
- Does Navi architecture perform the same as Nvidia with madVR?
There's somebody, @jespermart , who has a 5700XT, you can contact him.

It would be even better if:
- you could create a new thread at doom9 for madvr performance test
- having 2 profiles for 4k displays:
-- [email protected] upscaling using NGU
-- [email protected] upscaling using NGU
-- including 2 test clips for these
- and everybody could post their results and madvr settings based on those test clips

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- Will madVR use Nvidia Tensor cores in the future, providing an definitive advantage for Nvidia (madshi hinted to something like this a while ago ...)
I don't think it will happen soon: madshi is/will be occupied enough with Envy, and not just for now
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I just got a RTX 2060 but knowing the new 2060 super is out: do you think I should upgrade to that one instead?

From a review:

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It now has 8GB of RAM, 256 more CUDA cores (totaling 2,176) and a healthy base clock speed bump up to 1,470MHz instead of 1,365MHz.
I'm planning on using it connected to a Yamaha 3080 and an LG C9 tv, mainly to play 1080p24 and 4k at 24fps HDR
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I'm planning on using it connected to a Yamaha 3080 and an LG C9 tv, mainly to play 1080p24 and 4k at 24fps HDR
I'd say it isn't necessary with your display. Granted, stutter with RTX cards and madVR is common, so it depends on whether everything is working correctly.
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I just got a RTX 2060 but knowing the new 2060 super is out: do you think I should upgrade to that one instead?
I'm planning on using it connected to a Yamaha 3080 and an LG C9 tv, mainly to play 1080p24 and 4k at 24fps HDR
If you plan to use HDR passthrough (which I'd recommend) then there's no need to upgrade. Just d3d11 chain.

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When i bought the RTX 2060, the idea was to use it for 2 years with an Optoma HD87.
Recently, i had the opportunity to buy a JVC X7900 for an amazing price that i couldn't resist, so i may need a better card, that can handle Upscaling to 4K, Tone Mapping and a 3DLUT.

I'm considering selling the RTX2060, and try a 5700XT, considering its near RTX 2070S / 2080 performance.
By law we have a 15 days window that we can use to return it if we want, so i'm tented in getting a 5700XT for evaluation ... if it performs as good as expected, great, if not, i would switch it for a 2070S.
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I'm willing to bet the 5700 is too loud for your tastes, but maybe it won't be.
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When i bought the RTX 2060, the idea was to use it for 2 years with an Optoma HD87.
Recently, i had the opportunity to buy a JVC X7900 for an amazing price that i couldn't resist, so i may need a better card, that can handle Upscaling to 4K, Tone Mapping and a 3DLUT.

I'm considering selling the RTX2060, and try a 5700XT, considering its near RTX 2070S / 2080 performance.
By law we have a 15 days window that we can use to return it if we want, so i'm tented in getting a 5700XT for evaluation ... if it performs as good as expected, great, if not, i would switch it for a 2070S.
So do you thin a 2060S is not enough?
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I'm willing to bet the 5700 is too loud for your tastes, but maybe it won't be.
I'm moving the HTPC and the subwoofer amplifiers to another room, so the noise would not be a concern.

Moreover, i'm going to switch the HTPC box for a full ATX tower optimized for a cooling environment.
I'm considering the move to the 5700XT ( 2070S > 5700XT > 2070 ), not the 5700, but it will depend on the price of the AIB carbs.

I will have to weight the price of the AIB 5700XT's (i also have some tax benefits when buying computer components), and the value i can sell the 2060 ...
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So do you thin a 2060S is not enough?
I don't think the 2060S will be a major improvement from the regular 2060, it will probably be near the regular 2070.
But assuming the XT5700 performs as good as its Nvidia counterparts (near 2070S) on madVR, it would be a major improvement from the regular 2060 from almost the same price.
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the 2060S is very different compared to the 2060 which it is NOT going to replace and it cost a high premium too.

don't get a stock NAVI they are limited by there own cooler.
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I forgot about that. huhn did post that video of the Navi cooler for a reason. No need to buy a flawed product as an early adopter when a better version of the same product will be released in the near future.
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No need to buy a flawed product as an early adopter when a better version of the same product will be released in the near future.
I've read the AIB cards should be available mid August.
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