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Would a used 1070 ti at 250 be a good option compared to the RTX 2060 at 350?

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Would a used 1070 ti at 250 be a good option compared to the RTX 2060 at 350?
They are comparable gaming wise, with the 1070ti having more vram. Not sure exactly how that translates for madvr.

EDIT* NVENC, nvidia's hardware encoder got an upgrade with RTX, if you use it may be beneficial for you to go RTX.
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Would a used 1070 ti at 250 be a good option compared to the RTX 2060 at 350?
1070ti is good.

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Does it look therefore as if a 1060 6Gb card is adequate for medium settings and tone mapping?

I might have an opportunity to buy a used 1070 card, both standard and ti type.
I'm using a evga 1060 6gb card in my desktop with an old outdated amd cpu and running madVR I haven't yet regretted my gpu choice. I got the evga card off ebay for like $150 back in Oct of 2018 (good bang for the buck value imo). Running an Epson 4010 pj on a 150" display.

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Quick question : Is MadVR able to change the output resolution UP from the one set in windows? I have a JVC E-Shift projector, and it shows that 1920 x 1080 60hz is the native resolution of the projector, and is the best looking resolution for the windows desktop and Kodi. But I have everything in MadVR set to play in 4K (Either natively or upscale to 4K) Would the output all play in proper 4K or do I need to adjust the resolution of the windows desktop to be 4K to begin with? (To me it seems like the obvious answer that I need to change the resolution based on my windows experience, but based on the visual representation it doesn't look that way)

EDIT : Onkyoman answered my question in a PM, that I should have my desktop at 3840 x 2160p and it worked right with the desktop scaled up 250%. Thanks
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Upgrading my old projector to a X790/RS540 and want to upgrade my HTPC to support 4K playback. I currently use Win7 and playback MKVs using Kodi at 1080p. Do I need to go to Windows 10 now? I don't pan to use an optical drive in the system as I will have a standalone blu ray player for that. So this will be for straight MKV playback only.

As for the Video card, I want to be able to play back HDR 4k titles and do tone mapping, so higher end cards look likely, but not sure which ones are recommended as far as noise or performance. 1060 6b -> 1070 / 1070 ti / rx 2060. What is really needed to make it work well?
I've gone back a few pages, and seen some of the latest builds from last Nov/Dec, but want to verify what is recommended for CPU/MB combos as well. If 8GB of ram is still all that is really necessary, etc.

Been skimming quite a bit of this thread and it seems like I'm going to have to do a lot of brushing up on the MadVR part of the setup! I'm pretty much using all of the "out of the box" Kodi settings on my current system.
I would like to hear which settings you end up with on madVR, NCP, and your new JVC.
I recently went through the exact same upgrades 🙂

I ended up buying a RTX2060 and I have installed and set up madVR, but I have not started to use tone mapping yet (pass through only), due to two reasons:

1) it requires setting up/creating and calibrating an input mode on the the JVC for tonemapped HDR, and although I read up on it two months ago, it has since been forgotten in all the reading about getting my new windows 10 HTPC to work with nvidia drivers, sound/noise issues (noise spill-over from GPU to HDMI ground - solved by moving PC 2 meters away from AVR and by un-grounding the PC).

2) madVR (and soulnights’ tool) has been undergoing rapid development in the HDR tonemapping area in the last 2-3 weeks. I am waiting for the dust to settle and a public release to hit the street.

But let me hear how far you have come since January 🙂

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Quick question : Is MadVR able to change the output resolution UP from the one set in windows? I have a JVC E-Shift projector, and it shows that 1920 x 1080 60hz is the native resolution of the projector, and is the best looking resolution for the windows desktop and Kodi. But I have everything in MadVR set to play in 4K (Either natively or upscale to 4K) Would the output all play in proper 4K or do I need to adjust the resolution of the windows desktop to be 4K to begin with? (To me it seems like the obvious answer that I need to change the resolution based on my windows experience, but based on the visual representation it doesn't look that way)

EDIT : Onkyoman answered my question in a PM, that I should have my desktop at 3840 x 2160p and it worked right with the desktop scaled up 250%. Thanks
I ended with the same solution and it works very well!

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I would like to hear which settings you end up with on madVR, NCP, and your new JVC.
I recently went through the exact same upgrades 🙂

I ended up buying a RTX2060 and I have installed and set up madVR, but I have not started to use tone mapping yet (pass through only), due to two reasons:

1) it requires setting up/creating and calibrating an input mode on the the JVC for tonemapped HDR, and although I read up on it two months ago, it has since been forgotten in all the reading about getting my new windows 10 HTPC to work with nvidia drivers, sound/noise issues (noise spill-over from GPU to HDMI ground - solved by moving PC 2 meters away from AVR and by un-grounding the PC).

2) madVR (and soulnighrs’ tool) has been undergoing rapid development in the HDR tonemapping area in the last 2-3 weeks. I am waiting for the dust to settle and a public release to hit the street.

But let me hear how far you have come since January 🙂

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You can set madVR and the projector to BT.2020 and both HDR and SDR content should play correctly with the correct colors when using pixel shader tone mapping. DCI-P3 could also work.
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I would like to hear which settings you end up with on madVR, NCP, and your new JVC.
I recently went through the exact same upgrades 🙂

I ended up buying a RTX2060 and I have installed and set up madVR, but I have not started to use tone mapping yet (pass through only), due to two reasons:

1) it requires setting up/creating and calibrating an input mode on the the JVC for tonemapped HDR, and although I read up on it two months ago, it has since been forgotten in all the reading about getting my new windows 10 HTPC to work with nvidia drivers, sound/noise issues (noise spill-over from GPU to HDMI ground - solved by moving PC 2 meters away from AVR and by un-grounding the PC).

2) madVR (and soulnighrs’ tool) has been undergoing rapid development in the HDR tonemapping area in the last 2-3 weeks. I am waiting for the dust to settle and a public release to hit the street.

But let me hear how far you have come since January 🙂

Jacob
Well I purchased my projector from Beastaudio here on AVS, and he already had pre-programmed gamma curves and corrected the gamma droop on the projector. In this case, the settings he had preset assuming I was using a Panasonic 820 as the source (In lieu of MadVR) seem to get the colors and tone mapping just right.

I am also using an RTX2060 and am using some presets provided by Onkyoman and tested them today on 10 Bit MKV files of the Bohemian Rhapsody Live Aid Bonus track and then the movie Hunter Killer. The Picture Quality, HDR, Brightness, Color Tones looked great on the 820 Setting I used on the projector. I used the madMeasureHDR tool in advance on both files along with the presets Onkyoman sent me. The only issue I noticed was for the most part I am getting some repeated frames and presentation glitches. Very few dropped frames. Keep in mind I am also playing these files off of a NAS, so I can't discount that part. But basically it gives the illusion of a momentary stutter followed by a quick speed up (like a second) and then playback is normal. I noticed it at least a dozen times. So something needs a tweak somewhere. On the projector side, I am using recommended settings of CMD-> Low and Motion Enhance-> Off

I am also using Windows 10 and the latest NVIDIA WHQL drivers.

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I'm a tech guy, but this may be a stupid question.

Can you feed an HDMI output (from say, an Apple TV) to madVR for processing?

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I'm a tech guy, but this may be a stupid question.

Can you feed an HDMI output (from say, an Apple TV) to madVR for processing?

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No, the video must come from one of these media players on a Windows PC:

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I would like to hear which settings you end up with on madVR, NCP, and your new JVC.
I recently went through the exact same upgrades 🙂
Well I purchased my projector from Beastaudio here on AVS, and he already had pre-programmed gamma curves and corrected the gamma droop on the projector. In this case, the settings he had preset assuming I was using a Panasonic 820 as the source (In lieu of MadVR) seem to get the colors and tone mapping just right.

I am also using an RTX2060 and am using some presets provided by Onkyoman and tested them today on 10 Bit MKV files of the Bohemian Rhapsody Live Aid Bonus track and then the movie Hunter Killer. The Picture Quality, HDR, Brightness, Color Tones looked great on the 820 Setting I used on the projector. I used the madMeasureHDR tool in advance on both files along with the presets Onkyoman sent me.
Would you share your 820 custom mode settings on the JVC? 🙂

Are you using soulnights’ tool with the measured HDR files? If so, what version and settings?

Have you set madVR to control the JVC - to select a specific SDR-BT2020 calibration (your Panny 820 mode) in the projector when playing HDR BT2020 content, and a REC709 calibration for standard SDR;
zoom control for constant height setup etc?

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No, the video must come from one of these media players on a Windows PC:
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Would you share your 820 custom mode settings on the JVC? 🙂

Are you using soulnights’ tool with the measured HDR files? If so, what version and settings?

Have you set madVR to control the JVC - to select a specific SDR-BT2020 calibration (your Panny 820 mode) in the projector when playing HDR BT2020 content, and a REC709 calibration for standard SDR;
zoom control for constant height setup etc?
How can it change settings on the projector?

I guess it needs to be cabled somehow, as with a Vertex?

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Can you feed an HDMI output (from say, an Apple TV) to madVR for processing?

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madshi has said he may incorporate madVR's video processing into an external box at some point, but everything is currently limited to PC use at this time.

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Would you share your 820 custom mode settings on the JVC? 🙂

Are you using soulnights’ tool with the measured HDR files? If so, what version and settings?

Have you set madVR to control the JVC - to select a specific SDR-BT2020 calibration (your Panny 820 mode) in the projector when playing HDR BT2020 content, and a REC709 calibration for standard SDR;
zoom control for constant height setup etc?
You can set madVR to match BT.2020 used by the projector and BT.709 should be played correctly without any oversaturation:

https://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php...243#pid2751243

If you want to switch picture modes on the JVC, try HTPC Control mentioned towards the middle of this post:

https://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php...406#pid2750406
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You can set madVR to match BT.2020 used by the projector and BT.709 should be played correctly without any oversaturation.

If you want to switch picture modes on the JVC, try HTPC Control mentioned towards the middle of this post:

https://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php...406#pid2750406
Thanks. I will take a look.
So the .bat file Manni talks about in

Quick How To to control the JVC Projectors from MadVR: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/24-di...l#post55519234

- is that an older method than HTPC control or just an alternative method? Same degree of control?
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That is the Vertex. HTPC Control is a simple utility created by an AVS Forum user.
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Would you share your 820 custom mode settings on the JVC? 🙂

Are you using soulnights’ tool with the measured HDR files? If so, what version and settings?

Have you set madVR to control the JVC - to select a specific SDR-BT2020 calibration (your Panny 820 mode) in the projector when playing HDR BT2020 content, and a REC709 calibration for standard SDR;
zoom control for constant height setup etc?
I have not yet tried soulnight's tool. Only madMeasureHDR.

I have not configured madVR to control the JVC, though it does locate its IP address correctly. I have not checked any scaled content to see if there is a different picture mode that looks better for other types of source content to even need that capability. But I use a 16:9 screen anyway, so i don't need to worry about CIH.

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Any idea what I might look at to improve my playback issue?
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That is the Vertex. HTPC Control is a simple utility created by an AVS Forum user.
Oh so its IP controlled? Thats brilliant.

Bloody hell, there's some really good stuff there. I thought I didn't need to run the measurement utility, as the dynamic tone mapping is possibly replacing it? Or will it always be best to pre measure?

This is all moving so fast, its hard to catch up - theres certainly a lot of reading involved, but thanks to all the experts on here for helping us latecomers out also.

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Is DSPlayer still a valid alternative to MPC-HC/BE even though the developer has stepped away from the project? My remote app is far more friendly with Kodi forks and I have been using MrMC on the Shield, for a long time, but with my newly built HTPC, for MadVR, I would love to keep Kodi in the loop. Thanks.
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I am using DSPlayer and it is working fine. Compatibility with madVR could break as it gets older, as could a few Kodi add-ons as support is dropped. But I'm happy with it.

You could also install v18 of regular Kodi and launch MPC-BE as an external player.
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I am using DSPlayer and it is working fine. Compatibility with madVR could break as it gets older, as could a few Kodi add-ons as support is dropped. But I'm happy with it.

You could also install v18 of regular Kodi and launch MPC-BE as an external player.
Thanks. I will give DSplayer a try later on.

I use 10Muse as a catalog and remote app and its (remote control) works much better on the Kodi forks so I wanted to stay with those. The remote capabilities of MPC-HC/BE are far more limited.
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After canceling the RTX2070 as the supplier couldn't deliver it, i opted for a RTX 2060. I was going to wait for the GTX 1660Ti, but from the earlier information, it was only going to be around 50/70$ cheaper than the RTX 2060, so i opted for the RTX.

I'm hopping to install everything this week.
I will use Windows 8.1, and will try to remove all the services that are not required as Printing, Skype, Fax, etc ...
The idea is to only install the required tools for AV, as MadVr, argyllCMS, MPC-BE, Media Info and REW.

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Looks pretty good, to me. It definitely resembles an AVR.
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After canceling the RTX2070 as the supplier couldn't deliver it, i opted for a RTX 2060. I was going to wait for the GTX 1660Ti, but from the earlier information, it was only going to be around 50/70$ cheaper than the RTX 2060, so i opted for the RTX.

I'm hopping to install everything this week.
I will use Windows 8.1, and will try to remove all the services that are not required as Printing, Skype, Fax, etc ...
The idea is to only install the required tools for AV, as MadVr, argyllCMS, MPC-BE, Media Info and REW.

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I like it, curious why windows 8.1? Are you using WMC?
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the creator of madVr recommend it as an HTPC OS.
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@neo_2009 I hope you checked if your motherboard supports windows 8.1.
My new build only supported windows 10; no motherboard/cpu drivers for windows 8.1 or older. CPU is core i3 8100 3.6 GHz and motherboard is MSI B360M PRO-VDH.
That came as a nasty surprise to me, forcing me to use windows 10.

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Any idea what I might look at to improve my playback issue?
Not really, unless your madVR rendering times are too high. I presume you have used Ctrl j to monitor the renfering times on the osd?
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I've decided to go with MadVR for Blu Ray playback on my NX7. I already have a gaming PC with overkill specs (2080Ti) so the only thing I need is a BluRay drive and the software to be able to play Blu Rays through a MadVR-compatible player.

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EDIT2: I'm confused. The instructions say that only "UHD Friendly" drives will work with players running MadVR. However, the MakeMKV site says they support the official LG drives. So... will the official LG drives work fine for playing BluRays through MadVR because MakeMKV can create the MKV files, or do they not work because the MKV files are created but not in the correct way unless you use an unofficial drive?

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