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Thanks for your help guys!... If i get a GTX 1050 it would outperform my gaming rig , so i think ill stick with the intel iGPU for now but get a "Desktop version" and buy a GTX 1050 or better when they fall in price...
Just be aware of the two versions of 1050 GTX's out there: GTX 1050 2GB GDDR5 and GTX 1050Ti 4GB GDDR5.

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Hello,
I am new to the forum, but this thread piqued my interest.
I'm thinking about buying a Zotac Geforce GTX 1050 Ti, but I cannot find any information about audio bitstreaming.
Is the 1050 ti capable of bitstreaming DTS and Dolby D as well as DTS-HD and Dolby HD?
I read that the 1060 can bitstream these formats.
I would appreciate some help on this issue.
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...Is the 1050 ti capable of bitstreaming DTS and Dolby D as well as DTS-HD and Dolby HD?...
All of the above formats plus Atmos - hope this helps.

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Thank you very much. This helps a lot
And do you happen to know if there are any driver related problems with the bitstreaming?
At some point there were some problems if I remember correctly.
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Thank you very much. This helps a lot
And do you happen to know if there are any driver related problems with the bitstreaming?
At some point there were some problems if I remember correctly.
You're welcome; I am on 1050 Ti with the latest nvidia drivers and there are no issues - fingers crossed they'll keep them that way with the new coming drivers...

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You're welcome; I am on 1050 Ti with the latest nvidia drivers and there are no issues - fingers crossed they'll keep them that way with the new coming drivers...
axell can you stream netflix in 4K with w10 & edge (if you are running windows 10 that is)?
I know it requires Microsoft Ready 3.0, and i have found articles(they are now over a half year old) that nvidia is working on it, but i don't know if they still are or they have released it..
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You're welcome; I am on 1050 Ti with the latest nvidia drivers and there are no issues - fingers crossed they'll keep them that way with the new coming drivers...
What for a 1050 Ti do you have?
How loud is your card in idle/load scenarios?
Can you clearly hear it when you are watching a film?
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What for a 1050 Ti do you have?
How loud is your card in idle/load scenarios?
Can you clearly hear it when you are watching a film?
Unless the oem put a loud fan in on purpose all the Pascal cards are silent.

I have a couple evga gtx 1080s and while the fans spin with madvr you can't hear them even with the case open. And they get HOT!
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axell can you stream netflix in 4K with w10 & edge (if you are running windows 10 that is)?
I know it requires Microsoft Ready 3.0, and i have found articles(they are now over a half year old) that nvidia is working on it, but i don't know if they still are or they have released it..
Sorry, i cannot help, no netflix (yet) unfortunately... is not netflix 4k on PC "restricted" to Kaby Lake or something? I might be wrong though as I have no interest yet in that...

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Sorry, i cannot help, no netflix (yet) unfortunately... is not netflix 4k on PC "restricted" to Kaby Lake or something? I might be wrong though as I have no interest yet in that...
Thats what im trying to figure out it has been said that it works on Kaby Lake, my guess was that it was because of DRM(Play Ready 3.0) but thats just a guess.
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Unless the oem put a loud fan in on purpose all the Pascal cards are silent.

I have a couple evga gtx 1080s and while the fans spin with madvr you can't hear them even with the case open. And they get HOT!
I hope you are right. I am a little afraid because the small 1050 Ti models only have one fan and different reviews state contradictory results when it comes to noise...
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What for a 1050 Ti do you have?
How loud is your card in idle/load scenarios?
Can you clearly hear it when you are watching a film?
Got this one and very pleased with it: ASUS Expedition GTX 1050 Ti
https://rog.asus.com/articles/gaming...n-gtx-1050-ti/
As per previous post, depends on your madvr settings (in case you'll be going this route) the fans could spin a bit faster than normal but nothing out of ordinary.
On the other hand I like to watch movies pretty loud so... i cannot hear any of the fans from my HTPC...

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... my guess was that it was because of DRM(Play Ready 3.0) but thats just a guess.
You might be right; i'll have a look/read at some point...

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Got this one and very pleased with it: ASUS Expedition GTX 1050 Ti
As per previous post, depends on your madvr settings (in case you'll be going this route) the fans could spin a bit faster than normal but nothing out of ordinary.
On the other hand I like to watch movies pretty loud so... i cannot hear any of the fans from my HTPC...
Thats good to know. I guess I won't buy the Zotac but invest 10 more euros and get the Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1050 Ti OC 4G.
It has dual fan design and appears to be silent even during load situations accoarding to two reviews.
Thanks for the help.

And another little request @axell :
could you give me your madVR setup to get an idea what should be feasible with the 1050?
Of course only if it's not too much work.

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...could you give me your madVR setup to get an idea what should be feasible with the 1050?
Of course only if it's not too much work.
No trouble at all, i'll try over the weekend but cannot promise due to small commitments (kids ); meantime you can read some guides and also try your own settings in the quest of finding the best PQ for your eyes...

http://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php?tid=259188

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=171787

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/26-hom...tup-guide.html


Of course you'll have to make sure you'll be downloading the latest versions for the software involved.

Have fun and let us know your findings.

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No trouble at all, i'll try over the weekend but cannot promise due to small commitments (kids ); meantime you can read some guides and also try your own settings in the quest of finding the best PQ for your eyes...

http://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php?tid=259188

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=171787

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/26-hom...tup-guide.html


Of course you'll have to make sure you'll be downloading the latest versions for the software involved.

Have fun and let us know your findings.
Thanks a lot. Your help is much appreciated
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Thanks a lot. Your help is much appreciated
Not a problem, i am glad i could help a bit; my knowledge is somehow limited on this subject (madvr settings) but I am sure you'll find all the help you might need on this forum...

It would look very weird to quote my own post so you can have a quick look at post #130 where i was quickly testing madvr v0.91.4. - it might help with your settings.

I am now on v0.91.5 and 4x NGU it's doing a great job.

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I am a little afraid because the small 1050 Ti models only have one fan and different reviews state contradictory results when it comes to noise...
I wouldn't worry about it. The single fans are more than adequate. Dual fans are only need for overclocking. And even then, only if you push things hard.

You might think that dual fans could be quieter than one, if that allowed them to run more slowly. And that is true. However, at least on the 1050/1060, they run cool enough that sometimes even the single fan shuts off completely! So I would not be concerned either about cooling capacity or noise levels on these boards. It's unlikely you can hear it at all, above the PS fan in most HTPCs.

I can't make any similar claims for the 1070/1080, which have higher TDPs, but from what I've read, they're not noisy either. Of course different folks have different ideas of what "noisy" is. For one, 26 dBA is quiet, while for another, 20 dBA is loud. It also depends on where you locate your HTPC. Sitting next to it will provide a different experience than across the room, or off in an adjoining room (my planned configuration... due to considerations beyond just the HTPC SPL, as in power amps and other gear).
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Ok... been thinking about this and reading for what seems like forever.

Questions:

1. Can I have MadVR preprocess the files and just output new 4K upscaled files? It seems like it is doing it live for most people here. Does that let me get by with a lower power GPU if I am willing to just let it churn movies all the time?

2. Once they are processed, I just can save them to a NAS and then serve them out painlessly over wired connections, right?

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no you can't do that.
even if you can save the untouch output of madVR the data would be massive.

[email protected] would be 30GB+ per min.

but there is no need for a powerful GPU to use madVR.
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no you can't do that.
even if you can save the untouch output of madVR the data would be massive.

[email protected] would be 30GB+ per min.

but there is no need for a powerful GPU to use madVR.
What do you recommend as a minimum GPU?
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@VideoGrabber , I don't know.

@Bill , the TVs might be better now than they were in the past, but according to all the feedback I've received, madVR still has noticeably higher upscaling quality. I haven't really done much comparisons vs TV build in upscaling myself, though. But considering how complex my upscaling algos are, I would be surprised if TVs could compete.

@famasfilms , only the 950/960 in the 9xx GPU generation can decode HEVC. You're limited by the decoding. You need a 950/960, or a 1050/1060/1070/1080 if you want to play 4K HEVC videos. That said, there's not really much 4K HEVC content available yet that HTPCs have access to, so it might be a good idea to delay upgrading your hardware until such content really starts to appear.
thanks for the info, that was my thought indeed, pc always wins I'm gonna invest into a 1080 to play games and upscale the proper way.
Btw, do you have access to a particular tutorial that could help me setup madvr and mediaplayer hc for best upscale experience? Thx!
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depends a lot on the output resolution.

using a modern intel iGPU is totally fine for madVR at 1080p.
i personally like the 1060 6 GB is has a ton of power for is price tag.

but a kabylake iGPU with 3-4 GB of shared ram should be able to run madVR at 4K using super xBR or even lower NGU scaler.

with my usually settings my RX 480 was pretty much idling in madVR playback.
a RX 460 with 4Gb doesn't cost much and has notable performance. NGU performance is terrible and there are others issues but a 1050 with 4 GB cost a lot.
the NGU x4 performance on my RX 480 was astounding so maybe there is light at the end of the tunnel.

like always it depends a lot on what you want to do.
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depends a lot on the output resolution.

like always it depends a lot on what you want to do.
I want to be able to do high end 4K conversions from a variety of quality base files. Using NNEDI3 or whatever the current top end is...

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to do high end you need "high end" hardware.
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Does anyone here know of anyone with Kabylake iGPU 620 who can test 720p to 2160p on MadVR NGU upacale?
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Does anyone here know of anyone with Kabylake iGPU 620 who can test 720p to 2160p on MadVR NGU upacale?
Probably not possible. Maybe the low setting if lucky.
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Does anyone here know of anyone with Kabylake iGPU 620 who can test 720p to 2160p on MadVR NGU upacale?

Few people have one at this point and it really isn't worth testing because it can't really even do anything for gaming, even at low settings. The only integrated GPU you'd want to test with madVR functions would be one of the upcoming AMD APUs, with HBM.
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I tested my older 520 iGPU and get around 55ms render times with low ngu.
The new 620 series is meant to be more powerful so should get it down to 40ms I think.
So if anyone can test please.
I dont game so dont care about that.
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The new 620 series is meant to be more powerful
Are you sure about that?

Everything I've read says the 620 only differs from the 520 by name. It is nearly identical to the 520. Expect no performance increase.
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