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If you go into the video setting in Kodi during video playback, there is a tone mapping parameter that can be adjusted. Set the render method to Pixel Shaders for the best result.

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If I pay you can you build my HTPC for me Please

Hi Onkyoman,

I like your builds for the HTPC builds I have allot of MKV files that are 4k uhd hdr and dolby atmos and truehd. I just bought a panasonic ub820 thinking that it would play my files but it just plays the video not the sound I was to told panasonic block that so I want to build a unit. Will this unit out of your builds show better than the panasonic ub820 or the Oppo 203. I want to purchase these parts ASAP. But I need to know spending the money will i be happy. I was trying to wait to see what nvidia sheild new unit will come out I would get the sheild pro but it does not do dolby vision. Please respond as I need to know. I just build my theater room and this is my last project. Can you build for me or we can do a webex and you can shawdow me how too.

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I am located in Canada, so I can't help with any kind of build. If you are not comfortable building a PC, there are always local computer repair shops that can assemble the parts for what I assume would be a small fee. This can be particularly true if you buy the parts directly from these shops. Learning how to build a PC for the first time requires some patience and study of YouTube videos, of which there are many. Once you learn how the basic parts fit into a case, it becomes relatively easy to understand. There is nothing wrong with getting someone else to assemble the parts once you have purchased them. That can be done locally at a reasonable price.

With that said, you should be certain you need a PC. It isn't a very good platform for streaming video. It is better for any kind of ripped media that can be played through a media player of your choice. If your theater includes a projector, then a PC or the upcoming madVR Envy would be your best bet to make use of its very advanced HDR tone mapping and certainly a 3D LUT auto calibration to go with it. If you have any streaming sources, I would at least wait for some announcement on the pricing and availability of the Envy because any source could be compatible with it, as where the PC is limited to content that can be played by the PC.

There is also a matter of when or if madshi will ever finish the tone mapping and release another PC build. Time lags between builds have been considerably long over the past year. I think madshi is more focused on the huge amount of work involved in releasing a new product with an upcoming deadline that is a combination of new hardware and new code (software) to be written. You might have the PC built before madshi ever finishes the last steps of developing the tone mapping.
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I am located in Canada, so I can't help with any kind of build. If you are not comfortable building a PC, there are always local computer repair shops that can assemble the parts for what I assume would be a small fee. This can be particularly true if you buy the parts directly from these shops. Learning how to build a PC for the first time requires some patience and study of YouTube videos, of which there are many. Once you learn how the basic parts fit into a case, it becomes relatively easy to understand. There is nothing wrong with getting someone else to assemble the parts once you have purchased them. That can be done locally at a reasonable price.

With that said, you should be certain you need a PC. It isn't a very good platform for streaming video. It is better for any kind of ripped media that can be played through a media player of your choice. If your theater includes a projector, then a PC or the upcoming madVR Envy would be your best bet to make use of its very advanced HDR tone mapping and certainly a 3D LUT auto calibration to go with it. If you have any streaming sources, I would at least wait for some announcement on the pricing and availability of the Envy because any source could be compatible with it, as where the PC is limited to content that can be played by the PC.

There is also a matter of when or if madshi will ever finish the tone mapping and release another PC build. Time lags between builds have been considerably long over the past year. I think madshi is more focused on the huge amount of work involved in releasing a new product with an upcoming deadline that is a combination of new hardware and new code (software) to be written. You might have the PC built before madshi ever finishes the last steps of developing the tone mapping.

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when using the madvr tone mapping option do i still tell madvr to pass through the HDR meta data - i assume not as that will then automatically turn on the hdr profile (it does on my projector)

also do i pick a custom picture option on the projector and then use that for the tone mapping. Also what lamp level do most people use ie low or high.

i also assume i dont have to worry about using the measurement tool that is referred earlier in the tone mapping post
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Did you see AMD announcement on the new CPUs? man that price to performance ratio is awesome, glad I waited, will be ordering those up once they show up in the market. ^_^
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the release changes little for HTPC user. only flag ship boards with are usually useless for HTPC cases and what do you even want to do with a 6-12 core CPU and a HTPC the 4 cores will be released at a later date so are mainstream boards with PCIe 4.0 where madVR is one of the rare cases it even brings something the user.

navi is maybe interesting and these GPU give me a 07.07 feeling too just saying they just want to say this number on the E3 and not both on the same day.
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My bad my HTPC is multi-purposes, I do my encodings on there as well as other home server activities, and gaming.

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Saskatoon, for now, but probably not for the long-term.
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when using the madvr tone mapping option do i still tell madvr to pass through the HDR meta data - i assume not as that will then automatically turn on the hdr profile (it does on my projector)
No, you don't need to send the metadata to the projector. Everything is tone mapped before it gets to the projector.

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also do i pick a custom picture option on the projector and then use that for the tone mapping.
I would use the same HDR or BT.2020 profile in the projector to simplify things. If you want to change the picture profile or lamp mode, you need to delve into sending IP controls to the projector, which can be more complicated.

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Also what lamp level do most people use ie low or high.
I would use high lamp if you are anywhere below 100 nits, but use the one that looks best.

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i also assume i dont have to worry about using the measurement tool that is referred earlier in the tone mapping post
No, it isn't necessary. It might be fun to play with once you understand the rest of it. The live measurements are slightly less accurate, but probably only slightly so.

I've looked at some content recently that I imported into the color grading software Davinci Resolve and find that madVR's measurements are very accurate, almost to the line of where they are supposed to be on the HDR waveforms. If it says the frame clips at 100 nits, it clips at 100 nits. If it says the frame clips at 1,000 nits, it actually clips at 1,000 nits in Resolve. The tone mapping is definitely not low tech.
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Saskatoon, for now, but probably not for the long-term.
Nice. Where are you headed?

Are the Raptors getting as much attention out there as they are here??

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No, the Raptors aren't that big of deal outside Ontario besides those who are basketball fans.

For me, it would make more sense to be in Calgary, Alberta. I was in school there for a short time and would likely return for a job.
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Yeah I figured as much. It is massive here. Very exciting right now.

Good luck with your future decision. Your help on this site is greatly appreciated, I am sure I am not the only one who thinks that.

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Hello everyone, I have a question, I've been looking into a RTX 2060 for 4K movies with HDR, but it got me thinking. Can a Ryzen 2200G or Intel cpu play straight up MKV files? Without the madvr improvements, all I am looking for is to open a player like MPC and watch my 4K HDR movies, nothing else. Reason being the with the price of the 2060 I could upgrade my media server as a whole, since my intel i3-3220 is a bit old by now.

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For those using kodi dsplayer and plex for kodi, is there a setting i need to play with to get resume playback working? I know it was posted that this function works for some of you but for me it always starts playback from the beginning. Using the latest versions of dsplayer and plex plugin. Resume works if i use plexkodiconnect instead of the official plex plugin.


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For those using kodi dsplayer and plex for kodi, is there a setting i need to play with to get resume playback working? I know it was posted that this function works for some of you but for me it always starts playback from the beginning. Using the latest versions of dsplayer and plex plugin. Resume works if i use plexkodiconnect instead of the official plex plugin.


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Somebody fixed this in a branch here: https://github.com/pannal/plex-for-k...resume_support

You can download his latest release there and copy the files into (overwrite) your current plex for kodi addon files.
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That is a good way to keep DSPlayer alive, if Plex for Kodi works. I've tried Plex Kodi Connect and it is serviceable.
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Hello everyone, I have a question, I've been looking into a RTX 2060 for 4K movies with HDR, but it got me thinking. Can a Ryzen 2200G or Intel cpu play straight up MKV files? Without the madvr improvements, all I am looking for is to open a player like MPC and watch my 4K HDR movies, nothing else. Reason being the with the price of the 2060 I could upgrade my media server as a whole, since my intel i3-3220 is a bit old by now.

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I'd go with a GT 1030. More reliable with HDR passthrough compared to the 2200G.
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Somebody fixed this in a branch here: https://github.com/pannal/plex-for-k...resume_support



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I'd go with a GT 1030. More reliable with HDR passthrough compared to the 2200G.

I totally agree. A GT1030 will play [email protected] in HDR just fine. It will have trouble with [email protected] but so does my RTX2060.

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I totally agree. A GT1030 will play [email protected] in HDR just fine. It will have trouble with [email protected] but so does my RTX2060.
oh nice to know that, thanks a lot, I like the idea of the 1030, much cheaper and it will give my media server a few more years, honestly it works just fine, aside being able to play 4K HDR movies, plus the 1030 is much smaller than a 2060. I thought the 2060 would be able to do [email protected]
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I thought the 2060 would be able to do [email protected]
My bad, I keep forgetting I've switched from a 4k TV to a 1080p projector so the 2060 is downscaling in addition to other settings I've enabled. I'm sure it will playback [email protected] fine to a 4k display especially if it is just passthrough.

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My bad, I keep forgetting I've switched from a 4k TV to a 1080p projector so the 2060 is downscaling in addition to other settings I've enabled. I'm sure it will playback [email protected] fine to a 4k display especially if it is just passthrough.
I think I found the 1030 I want, fanless should be perfect for a HTPC, but would a 1650 provide any advantage for not a lot of money ?
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My bad, I keep forgetting I've switched from a 4k TV to a 1080p projector so the 2060 is downscaling in addition to other settings I've enabled. I'm sure it will playback [email protected] fine to a 4k display especially if it is just passthrough.
What settings give you troubles by downscaling [email protected] to 1080p ? Are you using SIM2D or DXVA2 Native ?
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What settings give you troubles by downscaling [email protected] to 1080p ? Are you using SIM2D or DXVA2 Native ?
DXVA2 native. My mistake, I'm using Lanczos. In addition to tone mapping HDR, I've also applied some sharpening and enabled some of the downscaling settings. I've played with so many settings, I've lost track but basically did trial and error until I got a picture I was happy with.

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I have a passive GT1030 in my bedroom HTPC connected to a 4K TV and it does everything I need. A 1650 would do no good as it would not be able to handle tone mapping and/or any aggressive settings should you choose to in the future.

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I have gtx1060 6gb with I5 7500

I want my 4k movies looks better

Whay settings that can help me to do so?
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DXVA2 native. My mistake, I'm using Lanczos. In addition to tone mapping HDR, I've also applied some sharpening and enabled some of the downscaling settings. I've played with so many settings, I've lost track but basically did trial and error until I got a picture I was happy with.
I'm little surprised that a gtx 2060 can cause some trouble by downscaling [email protected] to 1080p. I have no issue with my gtx 1060 6gb, when using DXVA2 Native decoding and HDR tone mapping with SIM1D, sharpening is not needed since 4k very sharp already.
Are you using the test builds of MadVR ?

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Whay settings that can help me to do so?
I guess that depends on what kind of display you are using.
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Hi

I have gtx1060 6gb with I5 7500 and ssd drive

I want to use a settings in madvr only to improve the 4k movies quality

So whats to focus on, and what setting

Display is sony x930e
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