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Well, since you're asking. Before you commit to a case, you might consider something to intake (1) 120mm fan (spinning slow). From the bottom of the case. This way you aren't recirculating hot exhausted air because heat rises and you are no where near the exhaust from the PSU. Cheap ones with a 3 position switch are fine although a 4 pin to a motherboard header could be speedfan controlled if you prefer. The case you've chose is for 80mm fan(s). They will be noisy and spinning them slow probably won't move sufficient air imo. Take in to consideration the airflow eddy that might be introduced by those fans disturbing an OEM CPU fan that distributes air around surrounding components like Northbridge, Southbridge, RAM, etc. that would normally be 'blown'.


To exhaust the airflow, just use your PSU. You want it to have a 120mm fan also. It will already be thermal controlled and spinning slow enough you don't hear it. I suggest a Corsair modular cable 500w bronze with the pinout for the GPU power. A Nocturnal CPU cooler would be nice but they are really only efficient in stand up cases because they are tall. Afaik, they don't make a good low profile one for sideways (HTPC) cases. I use the OEM fan. I control it with speedfan and a custom tapered curve but there are alternatives like a water cooler with a good sized radiator which again, you'd use another 120mm or 2, spinning slow to dissipate its exhausted heat. This too would need to be coordinated with the case. I think the (2) 80mm on the case you picked would work but if I had a choice and was starting from scratch I'd research 120mm fans and a case hole to exhaust them/it.


The GTX1060 6GB is a good choice. Rip speed fps should be decent for encodes you may create and the vram is high enough to accommodate decent madVR algo's. You may want to use something less expensive like the 1050Ti ($139 at Frys) I suggested, to get you by until NVidia new lineup is released. That will probably be in a couple months. Then if you want to build a new HTPC, you will have a selection of a newer card to compliment it and you can resell the 1050Ti. The Volta is expected early 2018.


I would get a DeUHD compatible ROM drive. This way, if you want to rip on your HTPC you'll be set and chances are (if) more UHD ripping software becomes available, the same drive will probably work with them. Oh I see you're going to use DeUHD. See their list of ROM's.


I agree with bryansj. That's a lot of CPU for an HTPC but if it's pulling double duty for intensive use I understand. The i9 is starting to appear fwiw. I doubt either will help guarantee future proofing any more than say an i5 HTPC wise.


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An i7 seems like a waste for 80% music and 20% movies.
The big problem is that UHD ripping and playing requirement

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The big problem is that UHD ripping and playing requirement
How so? I'm not seeing a CPU minimum spec for DeUHD. For playback your GPU is doing the HEVC decoding. All the i7 is doing is adding cost and heat to your system.

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So here are my choices of CPU at the local parts store:

i5-7500 kaby lake $170
i5-7600 kaby lake $180
i7-7700k kaby lake $230
i5-8600 coffee lake $300

I just thought that the i7 was the best deal and not that much more. Which one should I get?

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This was a pretty good article I read a couple of days ago:
https://www.digitaltrends.com/comput...core-i5-vs-i7/

Also I use www.cpuboss.com a lot to compare processors. It's gotten extremely hard to determine differences at the surface, especially if you get into the mobile processors.
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Well, since you're asking. Before you commit to a case, you might consider something to intake (1) 120mm fan (spinning slow). From the bottom of the case. This way you aren't recirculating hot exhausted air because heat rises and you are no where near the exhaust from the PSU. Cheap ones with a 3 position switch are fine although a 4 pin to a motherboard header could be speedfan controlled if you prefer. The case you've chose is for 80mm fan(s). They will be noisy and spinning them slow probably won't move sufficient air imo. Take in to consideration the airflow eddy that might be introduced by those fans disturbing an OEM CPU fan that distributes air around surrounding components like Northbridge, Southbridge, RAM, etc. that would normally be 'blown'.
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So which case?
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So here are my choices of CPU at the local parts store:

i5-7500 kaby lake $170
i5-7600 kaby lake $180
i7-7700k kaby lake $230
i5-8600 coffee lake $300

I just thought that the i7 was the best deal and not that much more. Which one should I get?
Doesn't matter. What ever you're comfortable with. Again, CPU has little to no bearing for HTPC use unless your HTPC is a multi purpose machine such as mine. You could use a 10 year old CPU if you want. Rip speed (fps) is dependent mostly on your GPU, not your CPU although it has some bearing and how often do you rip vs playback for that matter?


You ask which case? We're all, and I am, giving you suggestions what to look for and what not to look for. There are a zillion choices for everything, each tailored for a specific usage and or user. Everything is simply a matter of preference or economics once you know the criteria. We're giving you the criteria based on our own trial and errors attempting to spare you the errors. The rest is up to you. Consider yourself lucky. You are not being bombarded with buy this specific thing(s) and all your troubles will be over only discover later the advice did not take this that or the other thing into consideration and was more about a sale, theory or loyalty instead of education.


It's also difficult if someone is trying to do the best he can economically or if money is no object? Economically, pop a 1050Ti 4GB into your old HTPC and call it a day. Otherwise, the sky is the limit.
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Here's what looks like a pretty decent H20 CPU cooler fwiw. On sale today $75 and accepts a couple 120mm fans 4 pin I mentioned earlier. The case you select would need to accommodate it and that's if an H20 cooler is on your horizon since you asked about CPU coolers or fans.


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It sounds like I could get by with just a Kaby Lake I5 CPU and spend the savings on a better GPU. I am willing to spend the money that it takes to make a great system for UHD and music but I don't need to make it a general purpose gaming machine either.

There is a real dearth of quiet, horizontal HTPC cases out there.

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It sounds like I could get by with just a Kaby Lake I5 CPU and spend the savings on a better GPU. I am willing to spend the money that it takes to make a great system for UHD and music but I don't need to make it a general purpose gaming machine either.

There is a real dearth of quiet, horizontal HTPC cases out there.

Yep. I'm the guy who likes to buy last years decent model used. That's why I bought a 960 instead of the new 10 series. I'm cheap like that. I don't need anymore than what I need either. I don't game. I don't need more oomph out of madVR. So the "better" GPU's are more than I need. I prefer middle of the road and it's always last years model.... used.... that someone is selling in order to upgrade to fastest guy on the block. (usually gamers) Food for thought when you say "better".


I'm not only cheap and frugal, I'm resourceful and don't mind tinkering something into what I can't buy. I also find it enjoyable. Case in point (pun intended) when I built my HTPC I couldn't find a case I envisioned in my mind. So out came the dremal, the drills, the cutting torch, LoL, and what ever else I needed. Wallah, I have my dream case. Now kids today, and adults alike, may not be so inclined. Most want to open a box and there it is. I suppose they settle on the best they could find or get lucky and actually acquire something suitable. I think your preference is silence?


Not knowing your enthusiasm, a quick google search reveals https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/44...ew/index5.html
and
https://www.eteknix.com/silverstone-...ssis-review/2/


Both accommodating a pair of 120mm fans. I suppose a cooler like I posted earlier would drop in effortlessly? For your use, cooling probably isn't even going to factor in but there's a solution if you desire it anyway. You could probably get away with no CPU fan at all and use a big CPU heat sink with a low rpm 120mm fan dissipating it. I think low profile ones are available. I would certainly do some homework regarding that and your CPU choice.


Consider this https://www.cpubenchmark.net/power_performance.html


Here is a fan less CPU heatsink compatible with Core i processors that should fit HTPC cases although what is pictured is a PC case.
https://www.quietpc.com/nof-cr-100a


Anyway, this is your homework. If you can't find exactly what you want then apply backyard ingenuity. If that doesn't sit well, then settle but I'm pretty sure anything you're after is out there someplace. You just have to find it.

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Thank you everyone for the input. Here is what I wound up with:

Case: Silverstone GD09 with 120MM fans
Power Supply: Corsair RMX750
CPU: Intel i5-7600k
CPU Cooler: Coolermaster Geminii M4
CPU Cooler Fan replacement: Noctua NF-F12
Motherboard: Gigabyte Z270-HD3
RAM: Crucial 8GB D4 2400
Storage: Samsung 250GB 960Evo NVME M.2
Optical: LG16NS60
GPU: EVGA GTX1060 6GB Vram FTW ACX
Video/Audio Splitter/Scaler: HDFury AVR-Key

I should be able to get this put together and tested in the next few days.
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I wanted to update those that have followed this thread and make observations for others. This was a successful build with the equipment cited above. All works very well. The key to making the HTPC work with my new UHD TV and my older Preamp/Processor is the HDFury AVR-Key splitter/scaler. It was able to split the HDMI 2.0b output of the video card. It is supplying my TV with the full bandwidth and all features while still sending all of the correct audio to the preamp/processor. It sacrifices nothing in video or audio quality. Most splitters will only send the least common denominator to both places.

I also decided to make DVDFab Media Player 5 my video player. It is very quick and can output virually any video format correctly while bitstreaming the audio to my preamp/processor without degradation.

I am still using Jriver Media Player as my music player.

I have switched to using DVDFab UHD copier with found keys to copy my UHD disks to .iso files.

All is working perfectly and I am very happy with the environment.
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Thank you everyone for the input. Here is what I wound up with:

Case: Silverstone GD09 with 120MM fans
Power Supply: Corsair RMX750
CPU: Intel i5-7600k
CPU Cooler: Coolermaster Geminii M4
CPU Cooler Fan replacement: Noctua NF-F12
Motherboard: Gigabyte Z270-HD3
RAM: Crucial 8GB D4 2400
Storage: Samsung 250GB 960Evo NVME M.2
Optical: LG16NS60
GPU: EVGA GTX1060 6GB Vram FTW ACX
Video/Audio Splitter/Scaler: HDFury AVR-Key

I should be able to get this put together and tested in the next few days.
I just wanted to let you know I used a substantial portion of your build to build a similar computer. My only issue was ordering the correct ram and after one mistake I went to the Gigabyte motherboard web site and got ram guidance there.

I use my HTPC much less for music and much more for TV and movies and I have my LG Oled e6p connected to the computer via a home network.

But mainly I wanted to thank you for your posts which were a lot of help.

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I just wanted to let you know I used a substantial portion of your build to build a similar computer. My only issue was ordering the correct ram and after one mistake I went to the Gigabyte motherboard web site and got ram guidance there.

I use my HTPC much less for music and much more for TV and movies and I have my LG Oled e6p connected to the computer via a home network.

But mainly I wanted to thank you for your posts which were a lot of help.
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As you can imagine, my HTPC set up is evolutionary. I am now using AnyDVD as both my ripper and driver that allows DVDFab Player 5 to play UHD discs without ripping! I can now correctly and completely rip UHD discs to .iso files or play them without ripping.

MakeMKV does not yet support DolbyVision and no menus.

My HTPC can now play any media file format in native full resolution without conversion or decimation!

Audio and video nirvana?

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I've been using Fab v.3 for UHD with menus. Nice picture out of the player too. 3D MVC frame packed is not implemented in this version. SBS and TAB are no problem fwiw. I see you are using v.5. Is 3D MVC settings implemented in this new version yet or is it still greyed out?

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I dont see any settings for 3D

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Just so that you are aware... DVDFab Player 5 now decrypts UHD on-the-fly, so that you no longer need AnyDVD. Just insert your disk and play.

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