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Anyone converting their collection to h265

To save space and keep pretty much the same quality? I recently tried NVENC h265 encoding using StaxRip and am impressed by the file size at the same (perceived) video quality.

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To save space and keep pretty much the same quality? I recently tried NVENC h265 encoding using StaxRip and am impressed by the file size at the same (perceived) video quality.
Storage is cheap. Encoding is lossy and uses CPU power.
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Storage is cheap. Encoding is lossy and uses CPU power.
I don't disagree, but everything is a trade-off and all encodes- even those on a UHD disc are technically lossy given a digital file in a theater can be larger than a UHD disc. It's all about bang for the buck.

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I don't disagree, but everything is a trade-off and all encodes- even those on a UHD disc are technically lossy given a digital file in a theater can be larger than a UHD disc. It's all about bang for the buck.
So encoding an encode is worse. Just remux. You can buy a 8TB WD Red for $160. Use it in external case or crack it open.

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I don't disagree, but everything is a trade-off and all encodes- even those on a UHD disc are technically lossy given a digital file in a theater can be larger than a UHD disc. It's all about bang for the buck.
Agree with bryansj. I used to re-encode all blu-ray rips via handbrake for storage reasons and max compatibility with my Apple TV at the time. Times have changed though. My ATV 4K and Shield can handle full bitrate blu-ray or UHD rips and with my OLED and capable sound system I want max quality now. With storage relatively cheap I stopped re-encoding a couple years ago. It was also a major time suck. I just rip the full movie + the lossless audio track +/- subs and dump it into my Plex folder. Quick and easy. If you don't need to maintain original AV quality and want to save space then I have seen many people report excellent results with h.265 encodes but have not tried myself.
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Agree with bryansj. I used to re-encode all blu-ray rips via handbrake for storage reasons and max compatibility with my Apple TV at the time. Times have changed though. My ATV 4K and Shield can handle full bitrate blu-ray or UHD rips and with my OLED and capable sound system I want max quality now. With storage relatively cheap I stopped re-encoding a couple years ago. It was also a major time suck. I just rip the full movie + the lossless audio track +/- subs and dump it into my Plex folder. Quick and easy. If you don't need to maintain original AV quality and want to save space then I have seen many people report excellent results with h.265 encodes but have not tried myself.
That was the basis for my question. I have tried h265 with hardware encoding via my new NVidia GPU for the first time and was surprised on the video quality at the best setting with the file being roughly half the size and with keeping the best audio track. I was also very surprised at the time it took using the hardware.

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To save space and keep pretty much the same quality? I recently tried NVENC h265 encoding using StaxRip and am impressed by the file size at the same (perceived) video quality.
I tried the nvidia and amd HW encodes and they looked awful. I thought intel was better.

But the tradeoff's were bleh. i've compressed some stuff that i don't really care how the PQ looks.
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I am gradually replacing all of my 1080p full Blu-Ray rips with 2160p full UHD Blu-Ray rips. The size of the files can be upwards of 80GB. I've always been a believer that if you compress the original file to something smaller you will lose picture quality. You just can't lose bits and expect it to look as good as the original. I really don't see the point in setting up a quality home theater system only to feed it less than the best source data available. It's the old garbage in, garbage out scenario. With storage prices dropping all the time and capacities increasing it just doesn't make sense to me to butcher the original files just to save space.
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I tried the nvidia and amd HW encodes and they looked awful. I thought intel was better.

But the tradeoff's were bleh. i've compressed some stuff that i don't really care how the PQ looks.
I had heard that before, but I was pleasantly surprised. I even went so far as to have my daughter name the two files (original and h265 encode) A and B without telling me which was which and load both in VLC. I am using a very good Samsung 4K monitor right in front of me and I really can't tell the difference. Playing them on my 65" 2K and 55" 4K TV were also not discernible (to me).

That being said, I am not jumping on the bandwagon just yet. My RAID server is not full at the moment and I could always add a second since my RAID card supports two (with larger hard drives than the 2TB discs I have right now). Also, I am getting media anxiety since I have all of my discs, almost all are also loaded up on the server and UV/MA copies of almost all of them anyway. It is a confusing time to be in this hobby.

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I am gradually replacing all of my 1080p full Blu-Ray rips with 2160p full UHD Blu-Ray rips. The size of the files can be upwards of 80GB. I've always been a believer that if you compress the original file to something smaller you will lose picture quality. You just can't lose bits and expect it to look as good as the original. I really don't see the point in setting up a quality home theater system only to feed it less than the best source data available. It's the old garbage in, garbage out scenario. With storage prices dropping all the time and capacities increasing it just doesn't make sense to me to butcher the original files just to save space.

That's hard core (about 12 movies per TB)! If you don't mind me asking, what are you using to store your movies on?

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That's hard core (about 12 movies per TB)! If you don't mind me asking, what are you using to store your movies on?
I have a 24-bay Supermicro server chassis using unRAID upgraded with my own internal hardware. I also have a 5-drive external bay attached for a total of 28 data drives, one parity drive, and one cache drive. Current total capacity is 108 TB with about 34 TB free. I probably have over 1,000 movies plus countless TV shows and so much music. I also have lots of digital photos, home videos that have been digitized, and digital copies of every available Marvel and DC comic dating back to the late 1930's as well as most Image comics going back the past 4-5 years.
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I have a 24-bay Supermicro server chassis using unRAID upgraded with my own internal hardware. I also have a 5-drive external bay attached for a total of 28 data drives, one parity drive, and one cache drive. Current total capacity is 108 TB with about 34 TB free. I probably have over 1,000 movies plus countless TV shows and so much music. I also have lots of digital photos, home videos that have been digitized, and digital copies of every available Marvel and DC comic dating back to the late 1930's as well as most Image comics going back the past 4-5 years.
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LOL, I thought so too. I got it from an old 1940's black and white serial about Captain Video. I've been accumulating movies and miscellaneous videos and music for well over a decade ever since I first built my server. My user name goes way back to the days when I was into hacking Tivos as soon as someone figured out how to expand the hard drive capacity (anyone remember Dylan's boot disc?). At the risk of angering the wrath of the mods, I used to belong to Netflix and Blockbuster when they rented actual DVDs, HD-DVDs, and Blu-Rays. I used to get up to 6 DVDs per week in the mail plus whatever I rented at Blockbuster and made copies to store on my server to watch later. I looked at as time shifting my rentals, although I'm sure there are differing views to my methodology. Blockbuster used to give me free or discounted rentals if I provided the Netflix mailer tear-off flaps so I was able to maximize my video library at a modest cost. The thing is, I have never watched 99% of them and probably never will. In fact, I've deleted almost everything I ever rented on DVD that hadn't been watched. I delete anything after I've watched it to make room for more media. I don't really archive much except for music and home videos since I'll probably never have time to watch anything a 2nd time. I acquire a lot of my media through various means, both legal and maybe not so much.
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LOL, I thought so too. I got it from an old 1940's black and white serial about Captain Video. I've been accumulating movies and miscellaneous videos and music for well over a decade ever since I first built my server. My user name goes way back to the days when I was into hacking Tivos as soon as someone figured out how to expand the hard drive capacity (anyone remember Dylan's boot disc?). At the risk of angering the wrath of the mods, I used to belong to Netflix and Blockbuster when they rented actual DVDs, HD-DVDs, and Blu-Rays. I used to get up to 6 DVDs per week in the mail plus whatever I rented at Blockbuster and made copies to store on my server to watch later. I looked at as time shifting my rentals, although I'm sure there are differing views to my methodology. Blockbuster used to give me free or discounted rentals if I provided the Netflix mailer tear-off flaps so I was able to maximize my video library at a modest cost. The thing is, I have never watched 99% of them and probably never will. In fact, I've deleted almost everything I ever rented on DVD that hadn't been watched. I delete anything after I've watched it to make room for more media. I don't really archive much except for music and home videos since I'll probably never have time to watch anything a 2nd time. I acquire a lot of my media through various means, both legal and maybe not so much.
Did you belong to a Tivo forum called dealdatabase? I remember a captain video and Plainbill from that website. The good ole Tivo days...
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Did you belong to a Tivo forum called dealdatabase? I remember a captain video and Plainbill from that website. The good ole Tivo days...
LOL, guilty as charged. Yup, that was me.
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I cannot see an advantage to converting to H265. Using the LG plex app even with 480 .mkv files from DVD's I am getting blu ray or better video quality.

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I cannot see an advantage to converting to H265. Using the LG plex app even with 480 .mkv files from DVD's I am getting blu ray or better video quality.
I apologize, but you must be absolutely blind or have a 20" tv screen if you think your DVDs look "blu ray or better video quality" lol.

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I apologize, but you must be absolutely blind or have a 20" tv screen if you think your DVDs look "blu ray or better video quality" lol.
I agree, but I can also state that in my opinion, a really good SD encode of a BD can look very good. I used to use BD Rebuilder to make my early BD purchases into DVDs when the BD didn't come with a DVD copy (so it would play elsewhere in the house and in my car for the kids) and they often looked better than a commercial DVD, especially after the DVD manufacturers got lazy with quality.

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I apologize, but you must be absolutely blind or have a 20" tv screen if you think your DVDs look "blu ray or better video quality" lol.
65" oled e6p and not blind. I do wear glasses but the lenses are thin and the correction +2.5. Discs are authored in an astonishing range of quality. Any report I make of what I am seeing is subjective. However, I am very pleased with the results I am getting with the LG plex app on my 65e6p. I posted to see the response because I did not expect the picture to be so good. I thought that it might be helpful to encourage others to give the LG plex app a try.

I do have blu ray discs with better video quality than some 4K UHD discs. Some blu ray discs are not so good. Lucy would be an example of a top notch 4K UHD disc. Plex has not rendered any .mkv from a DVD with the video quality of Lucy ( which was encoded HDR 10 H.265).

So, I stand by my statement.

However, I am willing to convert a disc to H. 265 and report my opinion. Point me toward the software and process. Pick a couple discs that you think I may have.

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65" oled e6p and not blind. I do wear glasses but the lenses are thin and the correction +2.5. Discs are authored in an astonishing range of quality. Any report I make of what I am seeing is subjective. However, I am very pleased with the results I am getting with the LG plex app on my 65e6p. I posted to see the response because I did not expect the picture to be so good. I thought that it might be helpful to encourage others to give the LG plex app a try.

I do have blu ray discs with better video quality than some 4K UHD discs. Some blu ray discs are not so good. Lucy would be an example of a top notch 4K UHD disc. Plex has not rendered any .mkv from a DVD with the video quality of Lucy ( which was encoded HDR 10 H.265).

So, I stand by my statement.

However, I am willing to convert a disc to H. 265 and report my opinion. Point me toward the software and process. Pick a couple discs that you think I may have.
Even on a smaller screen like a 65" TV, the small resolution of DVD should look pretty bad. A bluray is more than 4x more pixels than a DVD. A UHD is more than 16 times more pixels than a DVD. When I'm sitting in my living room where I have a 70" tv, I can notice how 720p looks softer even. Plex just plays back the content and has nothing to do with increasing its quality. I also love plex, but you are not able to get anywhere near bluray quality from a DVD no matter what. Even modern HDTV or netflix destroys DVD quality.

On 65" TV, you can't really benefit from 4K resolution unless you're seating distance is about 5 feet from the screen. You can, however, benefit from the HDR in the UHD so that's usually what makes the UHD look better. I agree that Lucy is exceptional UHD.

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Even on a smaller screen like a 65" TV, the small resolution of DVD should look pretty bad. A bluray is more than 4x more pixels than a DVD. A UHD is more than 16 times more pixels than a DVD. When I'm sitting in my living room where I have a 70" tv, I can notice how 720p looks softer even. Plex just plays back the content and has nothing to do with increasing its quality. I also love plex, but you are not able to get anywhere near bluray quality from a DVD no matter what. Even modern HDTV or netflix destroys DVD quality.

On 65" TV, you can't really benefit from 4K resolution unless you're seating distance is about 5 feet from the screen. You can, however, benefit from the HDR in the UHD so that's usually what makes the UHD look better. I agree that Lucy is exceptional UHD.
I am sitting 8' from the screen.

There is little doubt in my mind that some image processing is going on. The chain is computer plex app to Radeon RX580 to LG OLED 65 e6p webOS plex app. I am using an expanded screen mode so that the Plex software appears on my monitor and the movie shows on the OLED. However the IP address plays a role so the image may be put in internet protocol format.

I don't know what is producing the better resolution.

I do know what a bad DVD image looks like.

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