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With more RAM and a good GPU (at least 2060) yes - I would say so.

If you are looking for Libredrive compatible blu Ray drive to rip movies I would add that as well at some point of time.




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With more RAM and a good GPU (at least 2060) yes - I would say so.

If you are looking for Libredrive compatible blu Ray drive to rip movies I would add that as well at some point of time.




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Thanks for posting this thread...we have the same pj...I’m looking into building a MadVR pc...I’m sure I’ll be in touch...can I send the output of my Panny 820 to the HTPC so I can use my physical 4K discs...

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Thanks for posting this thread...we have the same pj...I’m looking into building a MadVR pc...I’m sure I’ll be in touch...can I send the output of my Panny 820 to the HTPC so I can use my physical 4K discs...


No I am afraid you can’t ... you need some kind of video capture device that is HDCP compliant - and there is no device like that available as of yet.

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No I am afraid you can’t ... you need some kind of video capture device that is HDCP compliant - and there is no device like that available as of yet.

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Thanks, a couple questions...

1) could I just include a 4K disc player in the HTPC chassis?
2) how plug and play is MadVR? Once the right settings are set, does it ever need to be touched?
3) I have 30 FL in a velvet cave with a Stewart ST100 reference screen...everything pops now...does it really get that much better with MadVR in my setting?

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Thanks, a couple questions...



1) could I just include a 4K disc player in the HTPC chassis?

2) how plug and play is MadVR? Once the right settings are set, does it ever need to be touched?

3) I have 30 FL in a velvet cave with a Stewart ST100 reference screen...everything pops now...does it really get that much better with MadVR in my setting?


Yes I have a Libredrive compatible 4K UHd drive in my HTPC chassis. Almost all of us who go the UHd route, use MakeMKV to rip the drive to our Hard Drive or to our NAS and then use Kodi + MPC-HC (or Zoom Player) etc to play back.

It take approximately one hour of pre work before you can watch the movie but then you don’t have to touch your Physical disk ever again :-) mine go into a large suitcase!

Personally I find the HTPC a lot more effective way of playback vs putting a disk in a blu Ray player. (Streaming vs Buying Audio CD in early 2010)

If you have 30 FL, then MadVR will do absolute wonders to your picture. When I built my HTPC I was skeptical - but then o watched Avengers Infinity Wars with and without MadVR and oh boy was the difference night and day! I can never go back to watching HDR disk content without MadVR.

If you have $1000 to spare - go with HTPC like my build and treat it like an experiment. If it doesn’t work out For you, am sure you can recover ~80% of your cost.

MadVR is totally plug and play once you set it up. Setting it up requires some experimentation because everyone’s setup and more importantly preferences are different. Once you set it up the way you like it you don’t have to touch it again. It took me about 2 days to properly configure it - including automatically changing Lens Memory and Color profile based on content and since then I only open the MadVR setup tab when madshi releases a new beta build.

A number of experts (Neo-XP, Manni01, markmon1, and others) have detailed how to and are very helpful if you have any questions


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Yes I have a Libredrive compatible 4K UHd drive in my HTPC chassis. Almost all of us who go the UHd route, use MakeMKV to rip the drive to our Hard Drive or to our NAS and then use Kodi + MPC-HC (or Zoom Player) etc to play back.

It take approximately one hour of pre work before you can watch the movie but then you don’t have to touch your Physical disk ever again :-) mine go into a large suitcase!

Personally I find the HTPC a lot more effective way of playback vs putting a disk in a blu Ray player. (Streaming vs Buying Audio CD in early 2010)

If you have 30 FL, then MadVR will do absolute wonders to your picture. When I built my HTPC I was skeptical - but then o watched Avengers Infinity Wars with and without MadVR and oh boy was the difference night and day! I can never go back to watching HDR disk content without MadVR.

If you have $1000 to spare - go with HTPC like my build and treat it like an experiment. If it doesn’t work out For you, am sure you can recover ~80% of your cost.

MadVR is totally plug and play once you set it up. Setting it up requires some experimentation because everyone’s setup and more importantly preferences are different. Once you set it up the way you like it you don’t have to touch it again. It took me about 2 days to properly configure it - including automatically changing Lens Memory and Color profile based on content and since then I only open the MadVR setup tab when madshi releases a new beta build.

A number of experts (Neo-XP, Manni01, markmon1, and others) have detailed how to and are very helpful if you have any questions


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How's this PC look as a starter PC for MadVR? I'd obviously add a good GPU and some more RAM.
This will be fine with a decent GPU. Even 4gb of ram is enough for video playback.

Edit: looks like there are cases where you'll need more than 6gb ram. I guess 8GB is a safer bet.

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This will be fine with a decent GPU. Even 4gb of ram is enough for video playback.
What do you consider decent, a 2060 GPU?

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What do you consider decent, a 2060 GPU?
I'd consider a 2060 a minimum. I guess it depends what you want to do. I have a 1080ti. My friend had a 1070 but we had to upgrade that. Perhaps a 2060 super or 2070 is better for better upscaling.

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This will be fine with a decent GPU. Even 4gb of ram is enough for video playback.
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I'd consider a 2060 a minimum. I guess it depends what you want to do. I have a 1080ti. My friend had a 1070 but we had to upgrade that. Perhaps a 2060 super or 2070 is better for better upscaling.
Based on my testing with GeminiMan 4k60 HDR is a tough nut to crack. I have a overclocked 1080 and I had to turn on the HDR performance checkboxes to get smooth video, but still dropping a small number of packets. Hopefully not too many movies are going to be 4k60, I dont want to upgrade my GPU just because of that.
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Based on my testing with GeminiMan 4k60 HDR is a tough nut to crack. I have a overclocked 1080 and I had to turn on the HDR performance checkboxes to get smooth video, but still dropping a small number of packets. Hopefully not too many movies are going to be 4k60, I dont want to upgrade my GPU just because of that.
Render times have to be under 16ms. Try reducing some features, like chroma upscaling.

Considering how these movies have performed commercially I don't think they are making any more.
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I'd consider a 2060 a minimum. I guess it depends what you want to do. I have a 1080ti. My friend had a 1070 but we had to upgrade that. Perhaps a 2060 super or 2070 is better for better upscaling.
If putting the HDR Tone Mapping and HDR 4K 60fps aside, what is a 2060S/2070 doing better than a 1060 6gb/1070 in term of upscaling 720/1080p 24fps to 4K ?
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If putting the HDR Tone Mapping and HDR 4K 60fps aside, what is a 2060S/2070 doing better than a 1060 6gb/1070 in term of upscaling 720/1080p 24fps to 4K ?
Content thats 30fps may not be able to be upscaled by a 1070. You can add more post processing filters with the better cards. You can use double and double again for 720p content with the better card but not with the 1070. Stuff like this.

You can get a 1060 / 1070 working but you just have to make more compromises.

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This will be fine with a decent GPU. Even 4gb of ram is enough for video playback.
Have you actually tried 4GB with madVR?

I had significant problems with 4GB with madVR that completely go away when I increased the memory to 8GB.

In truth I found that for 4K HDR you need at least 5GB of system ram with madVR.
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Have you actually tried 4GB with madVR?

I had significant problems with 4GB with madVR that completely go away when I increased the memory to 8GB.

In truth I found that for 4K HDR you need at least 5GB of system ram with madVR.
You know I think you may be right. I just did some tests. And for all the stuff I normally use madVR for (upscaling 1080p), the player is only using around 1.5gb RAM. But on a true UHD in tone mapping, it spikes up to 3.9gb RAM. So you're probably onto something that you need 6GB or more. I wonder if I play an 8K file if the memory usage goes up further.

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You know I think you may be right. I just did some tests. And for all the stuff I normally use madVR for (upscaling 1080p), the player is only using around 1.5gb RAM. But on a true UHD in tone mapping, it spikes up to 3.9gb RAM. So you're probably onto something that you need 6GB or more. I wonder if I play an 8K file if the memory usage goes up further.
Yeah I was getting severe posterization and messed up inverted colors and strange random artifacts like that with 4GB. These happened only on 4K HEVC files and completely went away with more RAM. 4GB is right on the cusp where it seemed to depended on how much RAM my system was using at the time as for how much was free for madVR. Memory usage definitely seems to strongly depend on resolution with madVR.

As much as I like to be able to recommend affordable PCs for people for madVR I would say 6GB minimum now.
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Have you actually tried 4GB with madVR?



I had significant problems with 4GB with madVR that completely go away when I increased the memory to 8GB.



In truth I found that for 4K HDR you need at least 5GB of system ram with madVR.
DDR3 is so cheap anyway. I think I saw 8gb for $30.

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Yeah I was getting severe posterization and messed up inverted colors and strange random artifacts like that with 4GB. These happened only on 4K HEVC files and completely went away with more RAM. 4GB is right on the cusp where it seemed to depended on how much RAM my system was using at the time as for how much was free for madVR. Memory usage definitely seems to strongly depend on resolution with madVR.



As much as I like to be able to recommend affordable PCs for people for madVR I would say 6GB minimum now.


I think for any Windows PC at least 8 GB is minimum for decent performance nowadays



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Render times have to be under 16ms. Try reducing some features, like chroma upscaling.

Considering how these movies have performed commercially I don't think they are making any more.
Yeah I dropped just about everything I could, render times in the 12-13ms range but still dropping a hand full of frames every few seconds. It isn't noticeable because you have 60fps to work with instead of 24fps, but I can't have the same settings for 4k24 and 4k60. The render times jump into the 40s and 50s, with terrible visual performance. But it's just one movie, so changing settings maybe once a year (haven't watched it yet, so maybe never again?) isn't a huge deal.
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Yeah I dropped just about everything I could, render times in the 12-13ms range but still dropping a hand full of frames every few seconds. It isn't noticeable because you have 60fps to work with instead of 24fps, but I can't have the same settings for 4k24 and 4k60. The render times jump into the 40s and 50s, with terrible visual performance. But it's just one movie, so changing settings maybe once a year (haven't watched it yet, so maybe never again?) isn't a huge deal.
If you're still dropping frames you could post a screenshot of the OSD here:
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Yeah I dropped just about everything I could, render times in the 12-13ms range but still dropping a hand full of frames every few seconds. It isn't noticeable because you have 60fps to work with instead of 24fps, but I can't have the same settings for 4k24 and 4k60. The render times jump into the 40s and 50s, with terrible visual performance. But it's just one movie, so changing settings maybe once a year (haven't watched it yet, so maybe never again?) isn't a huge deal.


You can have two different settings for 24p and 60p.
You can set up madVR so that it will automatically apply the settings based on the resolution and frame rate.

There is a guide/samples available on how to do this.


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I have my profiled setup based on resolution right now, didn't realize it also did frame rate, I will look into that thanks.
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Do you happen to have a link to the guide that explains how to set up different profiles based in frame rate? I currently have profiles based on resolution (4K vs everything else) but would like to set up a separate profile for 4K 60fps, for the small number of movies that are being released with 60fps. Thanks!
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Thanks! I'll give it a shot.

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Attack of the NVIDIA drivers again for me. I just put my theater back together and updated my drivers on my HTPC/gaming system. Started playing a movie and about 5-9 minutes in black lines would randomly start flashing on the screen. Then the lines would increase in frequency until MadVR crashed. I did a lot of testing and found out if I turned off black bar detection the problem went away. Then I tried different recent NVIDIA drivers to no avail, ended up pulling all drivers and installed one back from 7/2019. Enabled black bar detection again, and poof problem gone.

Just a lesson to everyone, when you have an HTPC and it's working, dont update anything.
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Attack of the NVIDIA drivers again for me. I just put my theater back together and updated my drivers on my HTPC/gaming system. Started playing a movie and about 5-9 minutes in black lines would randomly start flashing on the screen. Then the lines would increase in frequency until MadVR crashed. I did a lot of testing and found out if I turned off black bar detection the problem went away. Then I tried different recent NVIDIA drivers to no avail, ended up pulling all drivers and installed one back from 7/2019. Enabled black bar detection again, and poof problem gone.

Just a lesson to everyone, when you have an HTPC and it's working, dont update anything.

I haven’t updated my HTPC drivers since the last working version- why fix something that’s not broken!

Good that it worked out for you in the end


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I haven’t updated my HTPC drivers since the last working version- why fix something that’s not broken!

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Yes, my issue is that I am using the same PC for gaming as well, and I needed to update to fix an issue with one game crashing. I am waiting for the 3080s to come out and place that in the gaming rig, then I will move my current 1080 to a different box for my HTPC/MadVR stuff. Until then no updating anything.
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