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I downloaded the Kodi DSPlayer build that has built in MadVR, Lavfilters, etc.

I am just waiting for my RTX2060 to deliver to start to play with MadVR. I tried using it on stock intel processor and had so many framedrops that it was unusable.

In the interim I will create the profiles based on the settings you used.

Still trying to figure out where to get the nightly MadVR build - and which one to use.
The nightly builds change sometimes 2x a day. I'm using build 45 for now. I'm going to stay there probably until it moves into a more released state.

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The nightly builds change sometimes 2x a day. I'm using build 45 for now. I'm going to stay there probably until it moves into a more released state.


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yea, if you scroll that thread and find build 45 you can scroll down a little and find screens of neo-xp's settings. I'd plug those in. You can probably do that up to build 50. Seems build 49 might be good, too. I just happen to use build 45 and it works well enough I'm staying there until something is official. I don't like measurement files either so those are all turned off. Results are awesome without.
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MadVR HTPC build for JVC NX7 projector - a build!

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Looks good. The LOGITECH keyboard is only 20 bucks at Walmart . So you may save $5 there.

Also add a Noctuna CPU case fan - the stock cooler is horrible.

Also are you sure the case fans are the quietest? Try to see if You have Noctunas in the same price range?






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Your Blu-ray drive won't rip 4K UHD discs. You need one from this list:

https://www.makemkv.com/forum/viewto...p?f=16&t=16832

I would go with the official drives. However, you still may need to flash the firmware of that drive to get it to work, which requires a motherboard with an IDE mode for the SATA ports. Instructions on how to do this are included in the madVR build guide. It also an option to simply buy a pre-flashed drive from someone.
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Your Blu-ray drive won't rip 4K UHD discs. You need one from this list:

https://www.makemkv.com/forum/viewto...p?f=16&t=16832

I would go with the official drives. However, you still may need to flash the firmware of that drive to get it to work, which requires a motherboard with an IDE mode for the SATA ports. Instructions on how to do this are included in the madVR build guide. It also an option to simply buy a pre-flashed drive from someone.
Well, now that MakeMKV has LibreDrive support, the number of supported drives should be higher.

https://www.makemkv.com/forum/viewto...4025aab4266255

You no longer need a special "UHD Friendly" drive with an old firmware since LibreDrive completely bypasses the drive's DRM firmware features and reads tracks raw. No more revokes and such either.
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Sounds promising. Are you sure new firmware is supported for off-the-shelf drives?
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Sounds promising. Are you sure new firmware is supported for off-the-shelf drives?
I just found out about LibreDrive yesterday heh so more research would be required. Just thought i'd mention it.
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Nice selection. Good video card. No f-ing around here

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Well, now that MakeMKV has LibreDrive support, the number of supported drives should be higher.

https://www.makemkv.com/forum/viewto...4025aab4266255

You no longer need a special "UHD Friendly" drive with an old firmware since LibreDrive completely bypasses the drive's DRM firmware features and reads tracks raw. No more revokes and such either.
I just bought a new BH16NS55 with UHD Friendly firmware from Australia yesterday which should arrive next week to me in NZ. As Im all new to this but have used makemkv for years, how does this LibreDrive affect me? I read the posts from your link but still dont completly understand it all, does it mean that we no longer need what i have just bought?

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Your Blu-ray drive won't rip 4K UHD discs. You need one from this list:

https://www.makemkv.com/forum/viewto...p?f=16&t=16832

I would go with the official drives. However, you still may need to flash the firmware of that drive to get it to work, which requires a motherboard with an IDE mode for the SATA ports. Instructions on how to do this are included in the madVR build guide. It also an option to simply buy a pre-flashed drive from someone.
Thanks for that, I will amend my list
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Nice selection. Good video card. No f-ing around here
I can get a 1080ti locally for 500, which would be a better choice?
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I can get a 1080ti locally for 500, which would be a better choice?


I think I read somewhere that the RTX GPUs are preferred ... some new capabilities might be on the horizon using the capabilities in that GPU ... but don’t quote me on that



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yea, if you scroll that thread and find build 45 you can scroll down a little and find screens of neo-xp's settings. I'd plug those in. You can probably do that up to build 50. Seems build 49 might be good, too. I just happen to use build 45 and it works well enough I'm staying there until something is official. I don't like measurement files either so those are all turned off. Results are awesome without.


Finally completed my build but there is an issue with the GPU fan - makes a noise as if the fan bearning is unbalanced.

I tried to play with MadVR also ... build 49.

With so many settings in the HDR section I couldn’t figure out what to change.

I changed the target nits box with green text to 75 bits because that is what I get on my screen in low power mode ... but not sure what all settings need to be changed

Can someone please help with most relevant settings and what they mean


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The Kodi forums have a really good setup guide for madvr. Its linked in Onkyoman's sig I believe
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Finally completed my build but there is an issue with the GPU fan - makes a noise as if the fan bearning is unbalanced.

I tried to play with MadVR also ... build 49.

With so many settings in the HDR section I couldn’t figure out what to change.

I changed the target nits box with green text to 75 bits because that is what I get on my screen in low power mode ... but not sure what all settings need to be changed

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Maybe this can help until there are fewer options?

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/26-ho...l#post57640870
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Thanks, I think I read that as well.
Since you have completed your build my question would be is it worth the money and or trouble?
I certainly don’t want to suggest it isn’t, but there have been very few (none?) samples comparing the potential advantages to going down this path. I certainly understand that some improvements are not visually quantifiable by photographic A/B comparisons but maybe anyone who has seen the benefits can try to define them, maybe something more than the “best upscaling”. Again, not denying that MadVR is the best but - what is it? My system is a monster right now, with more components by the day. The thought of introducing more complexity makes me pause.
Would love to hear your thoughts, as a new user.
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Thanks, I think I read that as well.
Since you have completed your build my question would be is it worth the money and or trouble?
I certainly don’t want to suggest it isn’t, but there have been very few (none?) samples comparing the potential advantages to going down this path. I certainly understand that some improvements are not visually quantifiable by photographic A/B comparisons but maybe anyone who has seen the benefits can try to define them, maybe something more than the “best upscaling”. Again, not denying that MadVR is the best but - what is it? My system is a monster right now, with more components by the day. The thought of introducing more complexity makes me pause.
Would love to hear your thoughts, as a new user.
Thanks
There are some fantastic comparison screenshots of madvr upscaling here. Compare anything to NGU sharp and prepare to have your mind blown. For example, under the image doubling heading, compare how well madvr NGU upscaling does with a 480p photo compared to, say, the original. It almost perfectly recreates it!

https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1840876

Best example is the photo labeled Corporate Photo. Look at the 540p photo, then the bilinear of the nvidia shield, then the NGU very sharp
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I can get a 1080ti locally for 500, which would be a better choice?
The RTX might be better in future, but for $500 I'd snag a 1080ti

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There are some fantastic comparison screenshots of madvr upscaling here. Compare anything to NGU sharp and prepare to have your mind blown. For example, under the image doubling heading, compare how well madvr NGU upscaling does with a 480p photo compared to, say, the original. It almost perfectly recreates it!

https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1840876

Best example is the photo labeled Corporate Photo. Look at the 540p photo, then the bilinear of the nvidia shield, then the NGU very sharp
Thanks! I am impressed.
Also, thanks Markmon, I am going to purchase the ti card today. Thanks all
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There are some fantastic comparison screenshots of madvr upscaling here. Compare anything to NGU sharp and prepare to have your mind blown. For example, under the image doubling heading, compare how well madvr NGU upscaling does with a 480p photo compared to, say, the original. It almost perfectly recreates it!

https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1840876

Best example is the photo labeled Corporate Photo. Look at the 540p photo, then the bilinear of the nvidia shield, then the NGU very sharp
I would love to see some upscaling samples from 1080 to 4K. Do you know of any?
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There are some fantastic comparison screenshots of madvr upscaling here. Compare anything to NGU sharp and prepare to have your mind blown. For example, under the image doubling heading, compare how well madvr NGU upscaling does with a 480p photo compared to, say, the original. It almost perfectly recreates it!

https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1840876

Best example is the photo labeled Corporate Photo. Look at the 540p photo, then the bilinear of the nvidia shield, then the NGU very sharp
I would love to see some upscaling samples from 1080 to 4K. Do you know of any?
I don't know of any, but it has been said that NGU sharp is as good as, if not better than, the upscaling machines that production companies use when upscaling a 1080p master to 4k for new UHD disc releases. That makes sense because it is based on a trained neural network. So, if it is able to get that close to the original from a terrible 540p source, it will be able to almost perfectly recreate a 4k source from a 1080p file in upscaling, since it has that much more info to work with in the 1080p file vs the 540p
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I don't know of any, but it has been said that NGU sharp is as good as, if not better than, the upscaling machines that production companies use when upscaling a 1080p master to 4k for new UHD disc releases. That makes sense because it is based on a trained neural network. So, if it is able to get that close to the original from a terrible 540p source, it will be able to almost perfectly recreate a 4k source from a 1080p file in upscaling, since it has that much more info to work with in the 1080p file vs the 540p
Thanks, that is encouraging. My reason for going with MadVR is the upscaling testimonies I hear from you good people here on the forum. Thanks for your help
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Thanks, I think I read that as well.

Since you have completed your build my question would be is it worth the money and or trouble?

Tbh I am still figuring it out. Watched Bladerunner yesterday but spent most of my time configuring MadVR. it looked good - but again I didn’t understand half the settings plus I did not get time to do an A/B with my shield.

I am not going to use upscaling a lot since I just started building my Blu-ray collection and will be mostly buying 4K blu rays








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Tbh I am still figuring it out. Watched Bladerunner yesterday but spent most of my time configuring MadVR. it looked good - but again I didn’t understand half the settings plus I did not get time to do an A/B with my shield.

I am not going to use upscaling a lot since I just started building my Blu-ray collection and will be mostly buying 4K blu rays








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Yes, it sounds complex. I assume you are interested in the tone mapping. How much did your build end up costing. Which video card did you go with? I assume playback with the card you chose is stable? Lots of questions.
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Yes, it sounds complex. I assume you are interested in the tone mapping. How much did your build end up costing. Which video card did you go with? I assume playback with the card you chose is stable? Lots of questions.


Total it cost me ~660, with RTX2060

So far no issues everything is stable. I haven’t tried upscale of 1080 content. Tone mapping works quite well.

Hopefully will be able to play more tonight and post impressions with native JVC tone mapping



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Total it cost me ~660, with RTX2060

So far no issues everything is stable. I haven’t tried upscale of 1080 content. Tone mapping works quite well.

Hopefully will be able to play more tonight and post impressions with native JVC tone mapping



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What do you have for your windows and Nvidia settings as far as refresh/color depth/etc?
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What do you have for your windows and Nvidia settings as far as refresh/color depth/etc?


For some reason I can only get RGB 8 Bit on the card. I have set the GPU and MadVR to Full Range (0-255) and have the JVC NX7 set to auto.

If I set JVC to video I get more contrast but blacks are crushed quite a lot.





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Updated the first page with HTPC and MadVR settings I am using.

Would appreciate any feedback and tweaks.

Happy to include your settings on the main page if you have played around with MadVR as well …
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