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My settings have a profile for 1080p and another for 4K so that the 4K doesnt do any of the extra processing. Did you create the same profile? Perhaps post all the screen shots of your settings?

Yes, I created the same profiles as you, with the same settings. ("Source 1080P", "Source 720P", "Source 4K", and "4K Upscale", using your same "If/else" language) I'm traveling for work this week, but will try to post screen shots of my settings when I get back. Appreciate you taking a look to ensure I set things up correctly!
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Yes, I created the same profiles as you, with the same settings. ("Source 1080P", "Source 720P", "Source 4K", and "4K Upscale", using your same "If/else" language) I'm traveling for work this week, but will try to post screen shots of my settings when I get back. Appreciate you taking a look to ensure I set things up correctly!
So when things are actually playing you can bring up the settings dialog and it will show in bold which profile is active. You can make adjustments to just that profile to get your rendering rates in line. Will be interesting to see what your settings are for the profile that's rendering too slowly.

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So when things are actually playing you can bring up the settings dialog and it will show in bold which profile is active. You can make adjustments to just that profile to get your rendering rates in line. Will be interesting to see what your settings are for the profile that's rendering too slowly.
Thanks! I didn't realize that. When I get back home this weekend I'll post my findings.

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Under image enhancements I would uncheck reduce ringing artifacts.

I would also think about doing a profile section under scaling algorithms as well. That way you can have separate settings for 4K sources and non-4K sources as well. For my 4k sources I have under scaling algorithms...

Chroma: NGU, anti-aliasing medium quality
Image Down: Jinc with scale linear and activate anti-rining checked with relaxed
Image Upscaling: NGU sharp, luma doubling:low and let madvr decide for the rest-
Upscaling Refinement: Nothing checked

I have a 1080 as well and using these settings for 4k results in no dropped frames. If I try to increase quality higher on any setting for 4k sources I do start dropping 1-2 frames a second. So these would be my recommended for a 1080 system. Since I have a separate scaling algorithm profile for non-4k I am able to increase the quality settings for those and that results in a better picture and still no dropped frames.
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Under image enhancements I would uncheck reduce ringing artifacts.

I would also think about doing a profile section under scaling algorithms as well. That way you can have separate settings for 4K sources and non-4K sources as well. For my 4k sources I have under scaling algorithms...

Chroma: NGU, anti-aliasing medium quality
Image Down: Jinc with scale linear and activate anti-rining checked with relaxed
Image Upscaling: NGU sharp, luma doubling:low and let madvr decide for the rest-
Upscaling Refinement: Nothing checked

I have a 1080 as well and using these settings for 4k results in no dropped frames. If I try to increase quality higher on any setting for 4k sources I do start dropping 1-2 frames a second. So these would be my recommended for a 1080 system. Since I have a separate scaling algorithm profile for non-4k I am able to increase the quality settings for those and that results in a better picture and still no dropped frames.

Thanks for the help. Much appreciated.
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Would the GPU used in this build be considered a little overkill for MadVR?

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Would the GPU used in this build be considered a little overkill for MadVR?

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I think it depends on what you plan to do, for 4K with HDR DTM IMO it is probably a minimum. I run a GTX1080 which is about equivalent to a RTX2070 and I'm right at the threshold of dropping frames with some med-high 4K settings and HDR DTM. On the 1080/720/etc upscale side I have things turned almost all the way up and I'm not close to a limit.
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I think it depends on what you plan to do, for 4K with HDR DTM IMO it is probably a minimum. I run a GTX1080 which is about equivalent to a RTX2070 and I'm right at the threshold of dropping frames with some med-high 4K settings and HDR DTM. On the 1080/720/etc upscale side I have things turned almost all the way up and I'm not close to a limit.
I would use it in a HTPC build for my Epson 5050ub. I keep reading how much MadVR improves the PQ, so I'm considering diving back into the HTPC world. How's this one look?

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I would use it in a HTPC build for my Epson 5050ub. I keep reading how much MadVR improves the PQ, so I'm considering diving back into the HTPC world. How's this one look?

https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-GeForce-...%2C149&sr=1-10
I would say that's a good choice and it should carry you into the future as well. I dont look at this the same way I look at gaming where it will be obsolete in 6-12 months and you need to upgrade. Another consideration is the RTX part of this, since the 2070 has the additional tensor cores MadVR may/should utilize those in the future for something. Which would be an added benefit over a GTX series card.
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I would say that's a good choice and it should carry you into the future as well. I dont look at this the same way I look at gaming where it will be obsolete in 6-12 months and you need to upgrade. Another consideration is the RTX part of this, since the 2070 has the additional tensor cores MadVR may/should utilize those in the future for something. Which would be an added benefit over a GTX series card.
Did I read somewhere that you should stick with Nvidia cards with MadVR?
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Did I read somewhere that you should stick with Nvidia cards with MadVR?
Yes, MadVR utilizes NVIDIA only.
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Looking at the OPs parts list, he said his total was $659. When I add it up, it comes to $795?
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Looking at the OPs parts list, he said his total was $659. When I add it up, it comes to $795?


Yes I updated some components when I actually built the system. Better whiter power supply, GPU etc hence the increase. But even at 795 this thing meets and beats all my expectations.


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Yes I updated some components when I actually built the system. Better whiter power supply, GPU etc hence the increase. But even at 795 this thing meets and beats all my expectations.


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I'm struggling with spending $800 for a PC just to run MadVR.

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Would the GPU used in this build be considered a little overkill for MadVR?

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Trust me MadVR can eat all the GPU you throw at it. With latest enhancements in Tone Mapping (HSTM etc in beta builds) my render times are in low to mid 30s ... and that’s with very low chroma upscaling and no image enhancements. In hind sight I would have gotten a 2080 vs 2070 given I plan to use this for next 3-5 years at least.



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I would use it in a HTPC build for my Epson 5050ub. I keep reading how much MadVR improves the PQ, so I'm considering diving back into the HTPC world. How's this one look?



https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-GeForce-...%2C149&sr=1-10


If your HTPC is in the same room as where you are watching - I would not advise the mini editions. They tend to produce more coil whine. Also if that bothers you (it bothers me a LOT) then you should go for a higher end GPU so that it’s not running as hard to handle MadVR and has therefore low coil whine.

You can also alternatively try to sound dampen the PC case. I have my PC in a separate closet in my basement so it doesn’t bother me - but I know my 2070 is whining away to MadVR glory inside


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If your HTPC is in the same room as where you are watching - I would not advise the mini editions. They tend to produce more coil whine. Also if that bothers you (it bothers me a LOT) then you should go for a higher end GPU so that it’s not running as hard to handle MadVR and has therefore low coil whine.

You can also alternatively try to sound dampen the PC case. I have my PC in a separate closet in my basement so it doesn’t bother me - but I know my 2070 is whining away to MadVR glory inside


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I have a media closet too. Like I said, I'm struggling putting out $800 for a PC just to run MadVR. I'm thinking I can spend that $800 on a new sub instead.

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Thanks for making this thread. I'm looking at building a multi-purpose PC that runs MadVR with it, in the next coming months.

What are you using for a NAS solution or are you just playing discs?
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Thanks for making this thread. I'm looking at building a multi-purpose PC that runs MadVR with it, in the next coming months.

What are you using for a NAS solution or are you just playing discs?
I have two separate machines running, one for my HTPC and another PC running Unraid (NAS) and Plex in a docker container. 40TB of space, I just rip movies from disc on my main desktop and copy them to the Unraid box.

In my case I will probably combine the functions when I re-do my HT. Move everything into a rack mount server chassis and upgrade the CPU/RAM on my Unraid box. I can run VMs on that box so I will probably virtualize my HTPC and put my GPU in there. This way I can cut everything down to one multi function box like you're looking at.
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Thanks for making this thread. I'm looking at building a multi-purpose PC that runs MadVR with it, in the next coming months.



What are you using for a NAS solution or are you just playing discs?

No not playing discs at all - ripping my 4K UHD and storing it in my NAS and my HTPC

I have a Synology NAS but I also bought a couple of external 8TB drives from Costco for about 110 dollars a piece, broke it open to take out the disk and put them in the case. So have about 16 TB in the HTPC plus 8 TB in the Synology NAS. Since Kodi can scan all these components and everything is connected with high speed Ethernet having the storage sprawl is a non issue ATM.





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I have a media closet too. Like I said, I'm struggling putting out $800 for a PC just to run MadVR. I'm thinking I can spend that $800 on a new sub instead.

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Depends on what do you think is lacking in your system. For me with the NX7 projector - MadVR will take precedence over audio. But I had a fairly capable audio system already.

For me the order of upgrade is Good 5.1 system > HTPC with MadVR > better 5.2 or 5.3 (more subs) > 5.2.4 or 7.2.4 Atmos

If you asked me this question before NX7 DTM update I would have put HTPC before Audio 5.1 but with decent DTM the ‘necessity’ of MadVR is very slightly reduced (not saying it’s anywhere close to MadVR but your HDR content becomes quite watchable with NX7 DTM )

Again my opinion everyone has their own preferences

Plus you need a system to rip 4K disks anyhow ... going to media closet and putting in a blu Ray is so 2010s




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Depends on what do you think is lacking in your system. For me with the NX7 projector - MadVR will take precedence over audio. But I had a fairly capable audio system already.
Hey @tommarra : Thanks for starting the thread and I read through it all but didn't see if you think the upgrade was actually worth the time and effort? I just installed a rs-2000 (NX7) last week and am running kodi on the shield and use it only for 4k ripped content like yourself. I am debating building a HTPC and trying out madvr BUT the picture I am getting now (latest firmware on jvc) blows me away. Not sure if dropping 900.00 on a new system for madvr would be worth the cost and inconvenience of a HTPC tbh. I have run HTPCs for the probably the last 15 years and know that things always break and found I spent time fiddling with settings that enjoying the movies.

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Yes, MadVR utilizes NVIDIA only.
Madvr works with AMD and Intel GPU's.

It's being developed for nvidia and most users have nvidia. Last time I checked nvidia had a slight advantage in processing speed, but when using NGU (which is about the best) the difference increases.
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Madvr works with AMD and Intel GPU's.

It's being developed for nvidia and most users have nvidia. Last time I checked nvidia had a slight advantage in processing speed, but when using NGU (which is about the best) the difference increases.
Technically yes, but some of the options and features being used are using NVIDIA API calls, which (probably)wouldn't be supported in an Intel/AMD system. I've also seen reports about wider color spaces not working with AMD cards, I dont have one so I can't confirm. I shouldn't have said NVIDIA only, as you can run it, but I wouldn't.
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Hey @tommarra : Thanks for starting the thread and I read through it all but didn't see if you think the upgrade was actually worth the time and effort? I just installed a rs-2000 (NX7) last week and am running kodi on the shield and use it only for 4k ripped content like yourself. I am debating building a HTPC and trying out madvr BUT the picture I am getting now (latest firmware on jvc) blows me away. Not sure if dropping 900.00 on a new system for madvr would be worth the cost and inconvenience of a HTPC tbh. I have run HTPCs for the probably the last 15 years and know that things always break and found I spent time fiddling with settings that enjoying the movies.



What are your thoughts as I am in the same exact situation as you including the audio setup.


The update is totally worth the time and money. For $900 I think it brings my NX7 closer to being an OLED except this is 127 inches!

Now with JVC DTM the improvement is incremental but the increment is HUGE. Totally worth it IMO. There is no easy way to A/B JVC vs MadVR tone mapping but the image has a level of pop and realism with JVC that doesn’t match




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Hey @tommarra : Thanks for starting the thread and I read through it all but didn't see if you think the upgrade was actually worth the time and effort? I just installed a rs-2000 (NX7) last week and am running kodi on the shield and use it only for 4k ripped content like yourself. I am debating building a HTPC and trying out madvr BUT the picture I am getting now (latest firmware on jvc) blows me away. Not sure if dropping 900.00 on a new system for madvr would be worth the cost and inconvenience of a HTPC tbh. I have run HTPCs for the probably the last 15 years and know that things always break and found I spent time fiddling with settings that enjoying the movies.



What are your thoughts as I am in the same exact situation as you including the audio setup.


The update is totally worth the time and money. For $900 I think it brings my NX7 closer to being an OLED except this is 127 inches!

Now with JVC DTM the improvement is incremental but the increment is HUGE. Totally worth it IMO. There is no easy way to A/B JVC vs MadVR tone mapping but the image has a level of pop and realism with JVC that doesn’t match




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The update is totally worth the time and money. For $900 I think it brings my NX7 closer to being an OLED except this is 127 inches!

Now with JVC DTM the improvement is incremental but the increment is HUGE. Totally worth it IMO. There is no easy way to A/B JVC vs MadVR tone mapping but the image has a level of pop and realism with JVC that doesn’t match




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How's this PC look as a starter PC for MadVR? I'd obviously add a good GPU and some more RAM.

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How's this PC look as a starter PC for MadVR? I'd obviously add a good GPU and some more RAM.

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And a LOT more storage I presume?


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I have a TB hdd with my movies on it. Does everything else look good though?

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