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Looking for a PVR DVR for my HTPC now that WMC is gone. What are you using?

Hi all, for me WMC is gone. My HTPC PVR / DVR is also is my home server, I have to have windows 10 on it because all my data is on it. So I am updating to windows 10. I have figured out how to make my HDHomerun work with NextPVR which I just tried tonight. I think I can get by, but please tell me what you guys are using. I would love to have something WMC like and easy to use with my harmony remote and use my PC as the dvr. I have a 2 year old widows 10 machine with a HDHomerun 4 tuner.

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Depends if you using it for OTA or cable. For copy protected content from cable there is nothing that works but WMC. For OTA only (I dropped cable years ago) I tried HDhomerun's DVR service and found the DVR virtually useless. Live TV and two week guide data are OK but nothing great. Using Hulu+ commercial free combined with CBS all access commercial free (Hulu excludes CBS from their lineup) I find I can get all the OTA programming I watch without even needing a DVR as content is available for at least a month or so completely commercial free with the added benefit of not even having to fast forward through the commercials. If your using cable I recommend just use an old inexpensive dedicated WIN7 PC for WMC only and pay for the low cost third party guide data.

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Depends if you using it for OTA or cable. For copy protected content from cable there is nothing that works but WMC. For OTA only (I dropped cable years ago) I tried HDhomerun's DVR service and found the DVR virtually useless. Live TV and two week guide data are OK but nothing great. Using Hulu+ commercial free combined with CBS all access commercial free (Hulu excludes CBS from their lineup) I find I can get all the OTA programming I watch without even needing a DVR as content is available for at least a month or so completely commercial free with the added benefit of not even having to fast forward through the commercials. If your using cable I recommend just use an old inexpensive dedicated WIN7 PC for WMC only and pay for the low cost third party guide data.
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I am doing OTA, but we use OTA for sports, I don't think Hulu does that, correct?
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Thanks for the response

I am doing OTA, but we use OTA for sports, I don't think Hulu does that, correct?
If you don't have the need for copy protected channels, spectrum in my area for instance is not copy protected except for premium channels. I use 2 HD Homerun 3-cc cable card tuners and Channels DVR. It works awesome and has built in commercial skipping.
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If you don't have the need for copy protected channels, spectrum in my area for instance is not copy protected except for premium channels. I use 2 HD Homerun 3-cc cable card tuners and Channels DVR. It works awesome and has built in commercial skipping.
Channels DVR is your software? Does it have a guide?
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Thanks for the response

I am doing OTA, but we use OTA for sports, I don't think Hulu does that, correct?
True I am not a sports fan. Hulu live has a DVR and full content but then your getting into cable like cost per month.

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Channels DVR is your software? Does it have a guide?
Yes you can check it out

https://getchannels.com/dvr-server/

and yes it does have a guide. It's a $8 per month or $80 a year for the subscription.
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I am OTA with 2 PCI-e tuner cards, one of them being Hauppuage. I don't really feel like paying any amount to watch OTA. Is there a free option somewhere? I can give up WMC (or Windows 7 altogether, since WMC is the only reason that I am not upgrading).
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Plex Pass at a cost - https://support.plex.tv/articles/200...-is-plex-pass/


I think all Guide data comes at a cost. Seems like this is a good starting place http://epg123.garyan2.net/

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I am OTA with 2 PCI-e tuner cards, one of them being Hauppuage. I don't really feel like paying any amount to watch OTA. Is there a free option somewhere? I can give up WMC (or Windows 7 altogether, since WMC is the only reason that I am not upgrading).

Answering my own question. I found a write up on getting guide data to WMC for free. But there are quite a lot of work involved.



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I use Amazon Recast (4 tuners) and Firesticks and FireTVs. Works “ok” for recording and “ok” for receiving OTA channels. However, honestly, I hardly watch OTA as you can get most programs streamed without commercials now-a-days.

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It's very little work. See this thread:
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/26-ho...-2020-a-3.html
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You mean very little work if you pay the annual subscription?
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I still run wmc ver8.8.4 on windows 10 ver 1903, and uses EPG123 with schedules direct.
You can get this working fine, I also locked down win 10 updates.
There are also some good utilities, and instructions on how to install, it is very simple.
No JAVA needed.

https://www.thegreenbutton.tv/forums...p?f=97&t=12314

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MythTV user since 2004 here. With Ceton and HDHR Prime tuners for the last 8 years or so. Linux-based so there may be a bit of a learning curve, but if you are looking to get out of the Micro$oft ecosystem I highly recommend it.

Back when the whole DRM craze hit the cablecos I switched to WMC for a couple years. Now it appears they only apply the copy-once flag to the movie channels (HBO, Showtime, etc. At least here on Spectrum).

Annual subscription for Schedules Direct is $25. Native support for it in MythTV, same data and EPG123 worked well for me in WMC. There is an installer for WMC on Win 10 here, I've never tried it so cannot vouch for it's functionality.

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You mean very little work if you pay the annual subscription?
Yes. As everyone else has noted, a free option is no longer available and EPG123 with an SD subscription for $25 per year is the most reliable and easiest alternative.
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MythTV user since 2004 here. With Ceton and HDHR Prime tuners for the last 8 years or so. Linux-based so there may be a bit of a learning curve, but if you are looking to get out of the Micro$oft ecosystem I highly recommend it.

Back when the whole DRM craze hit the cablecos I switched to WMC for a couple years. Now it appears they only apply the copy-once flag to the movie channels (HBO, Showtime, etc. At least here on Spectrum).

Annual subscription for Schedules Direct is $25. Native support for it in MythTV, same data and EPG123 worked well for me in WMC. There is an installer for WMC on Win 10 here, I've never tried it so cannot vouch for it's functionality.
That WMC works very well for me. We use it everyday for OTA TV.
I also locked down windows 10 updates with stopupdates10, and that works well too.
You can still selectively update antivirus definitions for defender.
https://greatis.com/stopupdates10/
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